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THE PROTESTANTíS DILEMMA BY DEVIN ROSE: A REVIEW
Just a writer, who refuses to typecast his blog by giving it a title ^ | March 18, 2014 | Scott Eric Alt

Posted on 03/19/2014 1:32:10 PM PDT by rwa265

If a Protes­tant look­ing into the claims of Catholi­cism were to ask me, “What one book should I read, where I can find a quick answer to any ques­tion I have?” I would tell him to read Devin Rose’s new book The Protestant’s Dilemma. I would also rec­om­mend this book to Protes­tant apol­o­gists, even those of many years, well-skilled in polemics. It will remind them of the heavy bur­den of proof they face, and the weak­ness of their posi­tion on point after point. The truth may set them free and bring them home too. (It has happened.)

All this may seem like over­state­ment — the oblig­a­tory praise from one Catholic blog­ger to another. But it is not.

Con­sider first the range of issues this book takes up. There are thirty-six chap­ters, each one on a dif­fer­ent topic, from the papacy to sola scrip­tura, from the canon of the Bible to Pur­ga­tory, from con­fes­sion to Eucharist to infant bap­tism. If some­thing about the Catholic Church trou­bles you, this book has the answer. If you think you have found the point on which Catholi­cism fails, this book will show you why it is one more point upon which Protes­tantism fails.

Con­sider also the brevity. The book is just over 200 pages long, which means that Mr. Rose’s answers get to the root of the ques­tion with­out a knot of aca­d­e­mic detail. It is harder to do than it might seem. This is the book of a man who has spent a long time study­ing the ques­tions that divide Protes­tants and Catholics, and who knows how to present his case in a way that is easy for any­one to under­stand. At the same time, the book is use­ful for the pro­fes­sional apol­o­gist, for it recalls his mind to the basics.

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1 posted on 03/19/2014 1:32:10 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: NYer; Salvation

Are either of you familiar with this book or its author?


2 posted on 03/19/2014 1:33:19 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: rwa265

I don’t have any statues of the following in my house as many Catholics do:

1) Mary
2) Any Saint

I don’t pray to Mary or expect her to help, as she can’t. I only pray to Christ. Nor do I pray to any patron saint as we are all saints who are in Christ.

Also, I eat meat on Friday which is banned by the Catholic Church based on tradition.

I don’t rely on an “infallible” pope to interpret Scripture for me when they’ve blown it so many times in the past.

I know works won’t save me because I don’t know how much I should do and if I’ve done the right ones. Ephesians 2:8-9 tells me salvation is a gift from God and not works so that none can boast.

Salvation is based upon your belief that Jesus died on the Cross for your sins...past, present and future. Clear as day in the Bible.


3 posted on 03/19/2014 1:39:48 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: ealgeone

I’d echo this for the most part. I think the divine status given to Mary and Saints is extremely questionable.

But I’d say my main issue is the infallibility. It’s a problem the various Orthodox churches avoid by having only a titular head who is still revered and looked upon, but widely acknowledged to be as fallible as anyone else.

And this idea that Catholicism keeps people more united and in tune with God’s message does not hold water. How can it be explained the fact that the Amish have been far more devout in pretty much every area of adherence to God’s moral code than the majority of Catholics. Baptists for example have not seen such a horrific amount of heresy. I mean, Pelosi? Biden?! Why are these people still granted communion? Both are infanticide-proponents. It’s not so say there aren’t a great many good Catholics, but a lot of these people just go to the church on a Sunday and then donate to Planned Parenthood the next.

In the so-called ‘Culture wars’ it seems to me that while many churches have fought tooth and nail and risked a lot doing so, the Catholic church has at times squandered its rather large influence. You have John Roberts, a Catholic, about to vote to PERSECUTE the church by forcing it to provide contraception, and no threat of excommunication is brought?


4 posted on 03/19/2014 1:54:45 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: rwa265; Gamecock
Con­sider first the range of issues this book takes up. There are thirty-six chap­ters, each one on a dif­fer­ent topic, from the papacy to sola scrip­tura, from the canon of the Bible to Pur­ga­tory, from con­fes­sion to Eucharist to infant bap­tism. If some­thing about the Catholic Church trou­bles you, this book has the answer. If you think you have found the point on which Catholi­cism fails, this book will show you why it is one more point upon which Protes­tantism fails.

This should be an interesting thread.


5 posted on 03/19/2014 2:07:43 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: rwa265

“If some­thing about the Catholic Church trou­bles you, this book has the answer.”

What irony! Earlier today I was reading another Book that answers all my questions about the Roman religion.

My Book says:

“4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.”

My Book also says:

“4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”

I appreciate the opportunity to sound the alarm and warn unsuspecting sinners.

A Catholic Priest is Biblically Saved
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VKiv3ZGAWo&feature=youtu.be

The Antichrist in Our Midst
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1OCYXUhUoU

The Gospel Defined and Discerned
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=81901181950


6 posted on 03/19/2014 2:47:30 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: ealgeone

**don’t pray to Mary or expect her to help, as she can’t.**

Catholics don’t pray to Mary either. Instead, we ask her to pray for us, and to pass our needs on to her Son.

On infallibility, please check into how many dogmas have been pronounced infallible. I think you will be surprised. And did you know that much doctrine was written in the Didache by the apostles? Imagine that?

Catholics also believe that Christ died on the Cross for our sins.

Where we differ here is that Catholics know they are sinners and need to be forgiven for the sins they commit today. Thus Christ breathed the Holy Spirit onto the Apostles telling them, “Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them, whose sins you shall hold bound, they are held bound.” That’s in your Bible right?

You receive the Gifts of the Holy Spirit at Confirmation and a Catholic is expected to use these gifts. In fact, we all receive a call at our Baptism. What are you doing with your call? OSAS is a false belief.


7 posted on 03/19/2014 2:58:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: .45 Long Colt

Sounds like a terrible book that you are readings, At least the first statement is not true.


8 posted on 03/19/2014 3:00:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy

Another day. Same old B.S.


9 posted on 03/19/2014 3:07:54 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Salvation

Oh No. The Bible is the very Word of God in print form. It makes the way of salvation plain for those with spiritual eyes and ears. It also has clear warnings about false religion and those who proclaim another gospel.


10 posted on 03/19/2014 3:09:20 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Salvation

Catholics don’t pray to Mary either. Instead, we ask her to pray for us, and to pass our needs on to her Son.

What’s the difference? You’re still praying to Mary. Why not just ask Christ Himself? He’ll answer based on His Word.

On infallibility, please check into how many dogmas have been pronounced infallible. I think you will be surprised.

I recall Pope Urban II saying that those who fought in the Crusades would have remission of their sins. I don’t recall that ever being in the Bible anywhere, yet we are to take it that the pope is infallible??

I believe Christ died on the Cross for my sins....past, present and future.

I too, like Paul, know that I am a sinner on a daily basis. In fact, even my good works on my “best” days, are as Paul said, nothing but filthy rags to be discarded. 1 John 1:8 through 1 John 2:6 provides direction on how we are to handle seeking forgiveness of sins.

According to Ephesians 1:1-14 we have the following in Christ:

1) Been blessed with every spiritual blessing
2) Adopted as His sons (see Romans on this also)
3) We have redemption through Him, the forgiveness of our trespasses according to the riches of His GRACE. (again, see Eph 2:8-9)
4) we have obtained an inheritance
5) after hearing the Word and believing the Word we have
6) been SEALED in Him with the Holy Spirit of Promise
7) this is given as a pledge of our inheritance

The Greek tenses of the verbs indicates the sealing is an ongoing process....it doesn’t stop. In other words, once we place our faith and trust in Christ, we are eternally secure based on this and many other passages in the Bible.

On infallibility, please check into how many dogmas have been pronounced infallible. I think you will be surprised.

If you think works will save you I ask the following:

1) how many do you have to do?
2) how do you or your priest know you’ve done the right ones?
3) what if you don’t do enough?
4) what if you’ve done the wrong ones?
5) what about the thief on the cross....no chance for good works....is he saved?
6) do you lose your salvation? what do you have to do to get it back?? if you can?

So what happens if you’ve had a really bad day sin wise and you’re killed in a car wreck. No chance to confess to a priest and your works aren’t good that day.

Have you lost your salvation?

Do you go to Heaven or Hell?


11 posted on 03/19/2014 3:23:13 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: rwa265

My main problem with Catholicism (and I don’t mean to bash Catholics because I believe they are just as Christian as I am), is most of that stuff you can’t find anywhere in the Bible, which makes it a non-starter for me.


12 posted on 03/19/2014 3:42:15 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Alex Murphy
This should be an interesting thread.

I suspect it won't be any more or different than the "answering protestants" posts.

13 posted on 03/19/2014 3:55:22 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." Isaiah 27:1)
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To: Viennacon
I think the divine status given to Mary and Saints is extremely questionable.

Catholics do not give a divine status to Mary and the saints. I suggest you need to study more about what Catholics actually believe from their own sources than rely on half-truths handed down in anti-Catholic polemics.

14 posted on 03/19/2014 4:59:39 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: ealgeone
we ask her to pray for us, and to pass our needs on to her Son.

What an utterly stupid thing to do. Jesus Himself commands you to come to Him with your burdens. Did he lie? Is he too busy to listen to you? Do you have to go through His social secretary (Mary) to get an appointment?

He has made open to us His very throne room. He has given us direct access to the Father. You insult His sacrifice by trying to go through someone else.

15 posted on 03/19/2014 5:32:30 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: ealgeone
Also, I eat meat on Friday which is banned by the Catholic Church based on tradition.

tradition has nothing to do with eating meat on Friday, it was a church rule and did not apply in every country.....it was an act of penance to bring us closer to God....minor inconvenience at worst.

16 posted on 03/19/2014 5:56:49 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: ealgeone
I don’t rely on an “infallible” pope to interpret Scripture for me when they’ve blown it so many times in the past.

The Pope is, and always has been, infallible in matters of faith and morals.....he has NEVER blown it, even once, in over 2,000 years. Christ promised that he couldn't.

17 posted on 03/19/2014 6:00:07 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: .45 Long Colt
post#6

I hope and pray that I'm never filled with that much hatred over anything!

18 posted on 03/19/2014 6:03:04 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: .45 Long Colt
Oh No. The Bible is the very Word of God in print form. It makes the way of salvation plain for those with spiritual eyes and ears. It also has clear warnings about false religion and those who proclaim another gospel.

Catholics know what the Bible says.....they wrote it.

19 posted on 03/19/2014 6:05:52 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: ealgeone
So what happens if you’ve had a really bad day sin wise and you’re killed in a car wreck. No chance to confess to a priest and your works aren’t good that day. Have you lost your salvation?

possibly, so behave yourself

20 posted on 03/19/2014 6:09:25 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: tbpiper

To be clear....that wasn’t my post.

That was an answer to one of my posts regarding why pray to Mary when you can go straight to Christ.

I believe we do have direct access to Christ....at any time of the day, week or year.


21 posted on 03/19/2014 6:36:12 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: terycarl

But Catholics view it as a “work” do they not.

That’s part of the problem with the Catholic belief system.

Too many rules not based on the Bible.


22 posted on 03/19/2014 6:37:08 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: terycarl

Care to explain Pope Urban II’s promise for the remission of sins to those who fought in the Crusades?


23 posted on 03/19/2014 6:41:41 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: terycarl

To be clear on this....

You believe you can lose your salvation due to something you do...or don’t do?


24 posted on 03/19/2014 6:42:23 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: Salvation

You wrote, “Catholics don’t pray to Mary either. Instead, we ***ask her*** to pray for us, and to pass our needs on to her Son.”

So, you don’t “ask” God for anything? Or you define “prayer” as something besides communicating with God?

Goodness, the linguistic gymnastics you go through to try to say that you “pray” to God but don’t “pray” to Mary ...

Maybe one day you’re come to your senses and reject the twisted doctrines of the corrupted Roman Church and instead embrace Christ’s Church. Yes, that’s offensive. Because the corrupted doctrine you’ve accepted is very offensive.


25 posted on 03/19/2014 6:47:56 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: terycarl
Catholics know what the Bible says.....they wrote it.

I thought God wrote the Bible. Imagine His surprise.

26 posted on 03/19/2014 6:50:12 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: terycarl

Roman Catholics wrote the Psalms? The Proverbs? The prophetic books? The Pentateuch?

You betray your denominational arrogance.


27 posted on 03/19/2014 6:50:19 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: terycarl

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:for they are foolishness unto him:neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
—1 Corinthians 2:14

I’m truly sorry you don’t understand me. I’m merely sounding the alarm for anyone with ears to hear. If I didn’t care for the souls of Roman Catholic people, I wouldn’t bother warning them.


28 posted on 03/19/2014 6:56:08 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt
you don’t understand

Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

29 posted on 03/19/2014 7:11:07 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: terycarl

The truth is it is the Catholics on this website who hate. All day long, each and every day they propagandize for popery and then they cry and get belligerent when Bible-believing Christians respond. Most Catholics here are woefully ignorant of both Scripture and history and it’s heartbreaking. They naively act as mouthpieces for the false religion of the Beast. If you think I’m nuts and that Rome has it right, then by all means ignore me for my warnings aren’t for you. As for me and my house, we serve The Lord, so I will continue in His service. I know God has a people and that His sheep will hear His voice and follow Him. The truth has a power all of its own. The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. (See Romans 1:16)

Do you really know the Gospel?

The Gospel Discerned and Defined
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=81901181950

Unmasking the False Gospel
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1010665821


30 posted on 03/19/2014 7:16:38 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Religion Moderator

I can say that he misunderstands me after he called my post hate?


31 posted on 03/19/2014 7:22:54 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

That “can” should have been “can’t”


32 posted on 03/19/2014 7:30:21 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt; terycarl
Accusing another poster of hatred is also mind reading. It is making it personal.

But two wrongs do not make a right. If you are the object of mind reading, let me know by Freepmail. Don't fight fire with fire.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

33 posted on 03/19/2014 7:35:59 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: rwa265; daniel1212; metmom; boatbums

Ah I see Mr. Rose knows the answers better than the Apostles.

Mark 8:18 NKJV

Having eyes, do you not see? And having ears, do you not hear? And do you not remember?


34 posted on 03/19/2014 7:37:32 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: Alex Murphy; Elsie

Mr. Rose created his own version of a Roman Catholic BOM!


35 posted on 03/19/2014 7:39:34 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: .45 Long Colt
“If some­thing about the Catholic Church trou­bles you, this book has the answer.”

Yeah, it's called the Bible.

36 posted on 03/19/2014 7:42:09 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Salvation; ealgeone
Catholics don’t pray to Mary either. Instead, we ask her to pray for us, and to pass our needs on to her Son.

Oh, baloney.

The internet abounds with well known prayers to Mary asking her for things, not just to pray for us.

On infallibility, please check into how many dogmas have been pronounced infallible. I think you will be surprised. And did you know that much doctrine was written in the Didache by the apostles? Imagine that?

No. It's well past time the Catholics started providing some links to all their assertions instead of denying everything someone else says and then telling them to look it up themselves.

If you don't then the default response by non-Catholics should just be to declare a win as there is no evidence to support the Catholic's contentions, therefore there is no obligation to believe them.

Catholics need to do their own work to support their own assertions and church. Nobody else is interested or willing to do it for y'all.

You receive the Gifts of the Holy Spirit at Confirmation and a Catholic is expected to use these gifts. In fact, we all receive a call at our Baptism. What are you doing with your call? OSAS is a false belief.

The security of the believers is well founded in the following Scripture, some of which is Jesus own words.

Security of the believer

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”

Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

37 posted on 03/19/2014 7:48:00 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Petrosius
Catholics do not give a divine status to Mary and the saints. I suggest you need to study more about what Catholics actually believe from their own sources than rely on half-truths handed down in anti-Catholic polemics.

Of course they do.

From calling Mary *the mother of GOD*, to praying to her and bowing down before her, to giving her the names, listed in the CCC, that rightly belong to the Godhead, they do confer divine status on her.

From the Catechism of the Catholic church....

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”510

Names of God from the Bible. Compare them to the names given to Mary in the above prayer.

Jesus

Hope (our) - 1 Timothy 1:1

Counselor - Isaiah 9:6

Advocate - 1 John 2:1

Mediator - 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 9:15, Hebrews 12:24

Holy Spirit

Comforter - John 14:26

Helper – John 14:16

This is worship of Mary if ever there was.....Attributing to her the attributes of God is idolatry.

38 posted on 03/19/2014 7:51:41 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: terycarl; .45 Long Colt
Catholics know what the Bible says.....they wrote it.

What? There are 2,000 + year old Catholics running around?

Who knew?

39 posted on 03/19/2014 7:53:29 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

>>I thought God wrote the Bible. Imagine His surprise.<<

Indeed. I thought He had the copyright on His Own Words.


40 posted on 03/19/2014 7:56:53 PM PDT by redleghunter (Jesus said: "it is written...")
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To: .45 Long Colt

When you’re accused of *hate*, just declare a victory.

All it does is show that they have nothing left in their arsenal to contend with you about. You’ve posted the truth and they can’t counter it, therefore they have to resort to liberal tactics of personal attacks, trying to discredit the messenger since they can’t handle the message.


41 posted on 03/19/2014 7:57:55 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: rwa265; KingOfVagabonds; Berlin_Freeper; UnRuley1; mlizzy; mc5cents; RichInOC; Prince of Space; ...
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

42 posted on 03/19/2014 7:59:21 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: metmom

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


43 posted on 03/19/2014 7:59:52 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: terycarl; .45 Long Colt; daniel1212

Hey, Catholics themselves have recently posted that the name of Babylon in the book of Revelation is Peter’s code word for Rome and refers to the Roman Catholic church.

It’s not hate when they do it, is it?

Drop the hypocrisy.


44 posted on 03/19/2014 8:00:12 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

Amen! All of the verses above in your post are from the Master’s Throne.


45 posted on 03/19/2014 8:06:57 PM PDT by redleghunter (Jesus said: "it is written...")
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To: Salvation

“Catholics don’t pray to Mary either. Instead, we ask her to pray for us, and to pass our needs on to her Son.”

And so again is the pattern I see time and again for Catholics to defend themselves from clear transgressions: if X conflicts with scripture, then simply define X as not conflicting with scripture. Pray to Mary? clearly wrong, so we’re just talking to Mary, not praying to her. Worshiping saints? well, that would violate idol worship, so the fact that we’re kneeling in front of a statue lighting candles and fervently begging the dead for favors is, by definition, not worship because worship is defined as something oddly other than what every non-catholic, scripture included, defines it as. Numerous repetitions? clearly condemned by Christ himself, so just define an hour of Hail Marys as not...something condemned. 10,000 years in Purgatory cleanses the not-really-bad of their sins? well, yeah that somehow doesn’t violate “no one comes to the Father but by Me”.

Someone correct me if this slim volume doesn’t take pretty much the same reasoning for some 200 pages.


46 posted on 03/19/2014 8:08:32 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: ctdonath2

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of death.
Amen.


47 posted on 03/19/2014 8:10:26 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: narses
Welcome to the thread. I post this cartoon as a tribute to your work!


48 posted on 03/19/2014 8:12:14 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Today, doesn't it seem like we have a Corrupt Bastards Club in D.C.? On steroids?" -Sarah Palin)
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To: metmom; boatbums; daniel1212; CynicalBear

Don’t forget the title Queen of Heaven. I will admit the title is found in the Bible but not in a positive sense:

Jeremiah 44:16-19 NKJV

“ As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord , we will not listen to you! But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble.

But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine.” The women also said, “And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make cakes for her, to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her without our husbands’ permission? ”


49 posted on 03/19/2014 8:14:27 PM PDT by redleghunter (Jesus said: "it is written...")
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To: narses

Jeremiah 44:16-19 NKJV

“ As for the word that you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord , we will not listen to you! But we will certainly do whatever has gone out of our own mouth, to burn incense to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her, as we have done, we and our fathers, our kings and our princes, in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. For then we had plenty of food, were well-off, and saw no trouble.

But since we stopped burning incense to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have been consumed by the sword and by famine.” The women also said, “And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did we make cakes for her, to worship her, and pour out drink offerings to her without our husbands’ permission? ”


50 posted on 03/19/2014 8:16:29 PM PDT by redleghunter (Jesus said: "it is written...")
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