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Fr. Barron's 7 Keys to the New Evangelization
Wordonfire ^ | March 20, 2014 | Fr. Robert Barron

Posted on 03/20/2014 4:18:26 PM PDT by NYer



This past weekend, Father Barron delivered the keynote talk at the Los Angeles Religious Education Congress. He laid out seven keys to the New Evangelization, which include things like "lead with beauty" and "don't dumb down the message." Today we share the full video of his talk along with a summary by Catholic evangelist Marcel LeJeune.




Thanks to Marcel LeJeune, Assistant Director of Campus Ministry at Texas A&M University, for sharing this summary over at the Aggie Catholics blog.

1. Lead with the beautiful

It's less threatening. We are a beautiful religion. Truth/Goodness make people defensive. You can come to learn to love from beauty. Start from the goodness of the faith, then move to the truth. Look at what Pope Francis is doing by leading with the beauty of a holy life, then leading people to the good and to the truth.

2. Don’t dumb down the message

It doesn’t help when we allow faith to become the most dumbed down subject in society. Evangelize by being clear, articulate, and smart—with the full arsenal of our tradition. A dumbed-down Catholicism will not serve.

3. Preach with ardor

We need some fire! As Aristotle notes, in the end people only listen to a really excited speaker. Muster up some excitement for the Gospel! “I don’t think the purpose of Vatican II was to modernize the Church. The purpose of Vatican II was to Christify the world. It's goal was to send us out light-bearers to the end of the world. Ardor comes from clarity about the Resurrection: the risen Jesus is the Good News! People don’t die for myths, legends, and literary devices—they do it for a resurrected Jesus! We need to be clear about that.
 

4. Tell the great story

There is a temptation to present a “pure Christianity” without the Old Testament story. This means the story is an abstract version and Jesus is more of a “Gnostic guru”. But there is something haywire in presenting Jesus without the Old Testament. He is an Israelite. If we forget Israel, we forget who we are. The fulfillment of the story of salvation needs to have the story told from the beginning. Jesus can’t be understood without placing him within the history of Israel and the Messiah that all of Israel has always waited for. He is the new Adam, Moses, Abraham, David, etc. The New Eden is now established in the person of Jesus. If you de-Judaize Jesus, He becomes just another spiritual teacher. Evangelization is a subversive message that there is a new King in town!
 

5. God does not need us...and he loves us anyway

Embrace Irenaeus' understanding that God is perfect and doesn't need us. What a great truth that is! "There is no greater humanism possible than orthodox Christianity." God's love is perfectly selfless. He is not a rival to us nor wants to get something out of us. He wants us to be “fully alive”. He's like the bush In Exodus 3 that is on fire, but not consumed—that's an image of God taking on human flesh. He never destroys us when He comes into us; he enhances us. Jesus is the burning bush.
 

6. We are made for God

Everyone is wired to want a relationship with God. Everybody has a hungry heart, to quote Bruce Springsteen. We are all looking for God. We don’t just want truths or goods—we want truth and goodness itself. To evangelize is to tap into that desire. We all sometimes run after false gods, but the Church needs to be the new Elijah who publicly and vigorously challenges the priests of the false gods (wealth, pleasure, honor, power). Only in giving yourself away in love is meaning found. The Church is meant to be a light to the world; we can’t keep it to ourselves.
 

7. Use the new media

Before using new media, Catholic evangelists must become very adept at old media, namely books. Immerse ourselves and others in the tradition of the Church. But then, yes, yes, yes to the new media. We would be horribly derelict if we didn't use the tools we have before us. We can’t allow others to control the world of new media. Statistics show that the majority of those who become atheists do so through new media. We need to present online.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; newevangelization
WATCH THE VIDEO, where Fr. Barron expands the 7 keys, speaking from personal experience and traces the history of the Catholic Church from the early Church Fathers.
1 posted on 03/20/2014 4:18:26 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

WATCH THE VIDEO!

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2 posted on 03/20/2014 4:19:15 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: markomalley

Ping!


3 posted on 03/20/2014 4:23:58 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

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4 posted on 03/20/2014 4:49:36 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: NYer

Robert Barron needs to bury himself in the Scriptures before speaking publicly again. There is more hogwash here than I have time to address, so I will only deal with one of his silly claims.

“Everyone is wired to want a relationship with God. Everybody has a hungry heart, to quote Bruce Springsteen. We are all looking for God.”

A Christian can’t possibly believe that for it is a flat contradiction of God’s Word.

Psalm 14:2-3

2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Romans 3:10-18

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Robert Barron has a god altogether different than the God of the Scriptures. And he imagines men in a most unbiblical manner.

The Gospel Defined and Discerned
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=81901181950


5 posted on 03/20/2014 5:00:03 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

No One Is Righteous, No One Seeks God
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=24131858243


6 posted on 03/20/2014 5:12:34 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

There is Much Rubbish

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=418131530364


7 posted on 03/20/2014 5:20:59 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

I am not trying to be nasty or contentious but the postings you put do not directly conflict with what was said - in fact, for me, they confirm it! If we did not have an inbuilt need for God then how could people have been blamed for turning away or for not seeking God. We do not choose God we choose to run from him or turn our backs on him.

Bless you

Mel


8 posted on 03/20/2014 5:22:34 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: NYer
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9 posted on 03/20/2014 6:44:42 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: .45 Long Colt
"Lord, You have made us for Yourself, and therefore our hearts are restless until they rest in You."

--St Augustine
The Confessions

10 posted on 03/20/2014 8:37:47 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: ottbmare

Do you recognize Augustine was not speaking of the hearts of reprobates? The lost will never rest in Him. He was speaking only of God’s elect.

Of course He made us, believers and the lost alike, for Himself and for His own glory.

“For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen” (Rom 11:36). He is the First Cause of all things, and He is the Final End of all things. All things were created by Him and for Him (Col 1:16).

But that doesn’t mean He loves us all the same way and desires for each and every person to be saved.

“The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.” (Proverbs 16:4)

“Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, (Romans 9:21-23)

Most men hate it, but John tells us there are those who CANNOT believe. Saving belief is impossible for them. Consider this passage, paying attention to cause and effect:

38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,

40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
-—John 12:38-40

So who was it that COULD believe the report of Jesus? Only those whose eyes were not blinded and hearts were not hardened — for He promised if that if they could see with their eyes and understand with their hearts, they would be converted and healed.

So we might ask who have had their eyes blinded and their hearts hardened? Here is what Christ told the Pharisees: “But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.” (John 10:26)

Those who are not of the sheep fold of Jesus CANNOT believe. In the next verses of that chapter He says, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”

His sheep have been given the gift of belief. The ability to hear and believe the truth is a gracious gift of the sovereign God. Without that gift we can’t see, we can’t believe, and, to circle back to Robert Barron’s unbiblical claim, we certainly aren’t all seeking a relationship with God. It is critical to understand that God is sovereign and who and will not ultimately believe is up to His sovereign will. “Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. (John 6:29) Read carefully and notice that their belief was the work of God.


11 posted on 03/20/2014 9:46:01 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

A gentle correcting is in order.

Father Robert Barron is by these teachings bringing to life the Scriptures in these “7 Keys to the New Evangelization”.

In reference to the Bruce Springsteen quote, remember the two disciples who walked with Jesus on the road to Emamus? Their hearts were burning. Same thing, a hungry heart is a burning heart for the Lord.


12 posted on 03/21/2014 3:45:45 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: NYer

Thank-you Father Barron, God Bless!


13 posted on 03/21/2014 3:46:36 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

I know what he said and it is wrong. He said “everyone” and that is flat wrong. What he said is not in accordance with the plain teaching of the Bible and only false teachers make such claims. What he said is spiritual poison that will ensnare those who don’t know the Bible and the unwise. Men in their natural state want nothing to do with God, the sovereign God of the Bible. Romans 3 could not be more clear, among many other passages.

Men may play around with a relationship with the god imagined by men, but they don’t care for the God of the Bible. False religionists love their god, but their god isn’t like the sovereign God of the Bible who chose some for salvation from before the foundation of the earth. They don’t like the Sovereign God who blinds the eyes of some so that they cannot see the truth and believe. They don’t like the God who works ALL THINGS according to the counsel of his own will. Lost men want a god who allows them to decide for themselves whether they will or will not be in a relationship with him and ultimately be saved, but that is not the God of the Bible. False teaches speak of a Jesus who died for all and desires for all men to be saved. But the Jesus of the Bible said the purpose of His parables was to disguise the truth so that His enemies would not hear the truth and believe. The God of the Bible told Moses that He would be gracious to whom He would be gracious and show mercy on whom He chose to show mercy (Exodus 33:19). Paul reiterated this same point about God’s discriminating love and mercy in Romans 9. False teachers and rebels hate the fact that the Bible teaches that before they were even born and had committed any sin, God loved Jacob and hated his twin brother Esau (Romans 9:13). They imagine themselves more moral and just than the thrice Holy God and shout “that’s not fair” to Esau.

The God of the Bible set His love on a specific group of people in eternity past. He chose them based not on any merit He could foresee in them for they have no goodness or merit to offer. Romans 8:28 tells us this group of people were “called according to His purpose.” These people are “conceived in iniquity” and born “dead in trespasses and sin,” so by nature they are rebels like all sons of Adam. But because He set his love on them, they are eventually regenerated (born again) by the Holy Spirit during their lives. Because of this miracle they have eyes to see, ears to hear, and they believe. Christ bore the sin of these chosen ones on the cross ( He gave His life for His sheep, the elect John 10:15) In John 17 Christ said he doesn’t even pray for the world, but only for those given to Him by the Father.

Do want anything to do with that God? I hope you do because that is the one and only sovereign God of the Bible.


14 posted on 03/21/2014 6:22:16 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

Just your IMHO only.


15 posted on 03/21/2014 6:29:10 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: .45 Long Colt

I really like what Father Barron had to say and he is correct.


16 posted on 03/21/2014 6:40:42 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: All

Besides, this teaching DOES touch upon scripture.


17 posted on 03/21/2014 6:44:06 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: NYer

Thank you for posting this. It’s applicable to ALL Christians ... it’s applicable to ANYONE spreading the truth.

Outside the spiritual realm, conservatives seeking public office should take a look at this. Points 2&3 in particular seem often to be the difference between winning and losing a campaign for public office.


18 posted on 03/21/2014 6:51:59 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Biggirl

I gave many Scripture references. Did you search the Scriptures to see if what I said be so? That’s what the Bible suggests we do in Acts 17. The Bereans even checked to see if the Apostle Paul was teaching them the truth.

I simply believe the Bible, not the figment of a wicked imagination of a pastor or priest. Barron’s god does not exist. Unfortunately for him, it isn’t the god of his imagination with whom he will have to deal in judgment. He will stand before the King of Kings and Lord of Lords in judgment, the Christ revealed in Scripture.

Please take the time to learn THE GOSPEL, the only gospel that is the “power of God unto salvation.” To you or any other reader I ask what would it hurt to spend an hour or two listening? Wouldn’t it be much better to find out the truth in this life? One second after you die it will be too late to believe the truth. I have read scores of books and even taken classes to understand Catholicism. I know exactly what I am rejecting. Can you say the same? Do you really know what it is that you have decided is so wrong? I only spend time saying the things I do here because I know that I know the Truth and I feel a burden to sound a warning. I warn Catholics and Protestants alike. The Bible says “strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” Most people, evangelical and Catholic alike, believe a gospel that makes the way broad. And according to the Bible, most people are bound for eternal Hell. Don’t be one on that broad path, enter through the strait gate and walk on the narrow way that leads to everlasting life. That is the only way to ever be, as Barron put it, “fully alive.”

The Gospel Defined and Discerned
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=81901181950

Unmasking the False Gospel
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1010665821


19 posted on 03/21/2014 7:32:20 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

I take things on faith. That is enough for me.


20 posted on 03/21/2014 8:02:13 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: NYer

Thank-you for taking the time to post this. Will watch the video today.


21 posted on 03/21/2014 8:04:18 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: .45 Long Colt
It mus be great to have the perfect confidence to assume that your interpretation of Scripture is the right one, and everybody else has it wrong. All the great minds through the ages, all the saints who devoted their lives to the knowledge and service of God, the early Church fathers who had actually been instructed by the Apostles themselves--all were wrong. Only you are right. Only you and a few of your friends and parishioners have read the Bible correctly and made the right interpretations.

Do you not see the overwhelming arrogance of this position, this insistence on your own superiority? The idea that you know more of what the Lord meant than do Aquinas and Augustine, Jerome and Irenaeus, Chesterton and Kreeft, is absurd on its face. A bit of penitence for your vanity is in order. So too is a willingness to humbly accept some instruction, or at least not to bust into a thread about a Catholic who is speaking to other Catholics and presume to insult us.

22 posted on 03/21/2014 8:18:20 AM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: ottbmare

I really like your comments. Thank-you for making my day and God Bless.


23 posted on 03/21/2014 8:56:41 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: .45 Long Colt

Please read post number 22, does a better job correcting you.


24 posted on 03/21/2014 8:58:27 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ottbmare

Perhaps you don’t realize I am the one in basic agreement with Augustine in the area of soteriology, not Rome. Like Calvin, I stand firmly in the Augustinian view of grace. Perhaps you haven’t read Augustine’s On the Predestination of the Saints? Perhaps you are unaware that Augustine confessed his error and apologized for ever believing teaching man played a role in salvation.

Here is what he said:

“It was not thus that pious and humble teacher thought—I speak of the most blessed Cyprian—when he said “that we must boast in nothing, since nothing is our own.” And in order to show the, he appealed to the apostle as a witness, where he said, “For what hast thou that thou hast not received ? And if thou hast received it, why boastest thou as if thou hadst not received it?” And it was chiefly by this testimony that I myself also was convinced when I was in a similar error, thinking that faith whereby we believe on God is not God’s gift, but that it is in us from ourselves, and that by it we obtain the gifts of God, whereby we may live temperately and righteously and piously in this world. For I did not think that faith was preceded by God’s grace, so that by its means would be given to us what we might profitably ask, except that we could not believe if the proclamation of the truth did not precede; but that we should consent when the gospel was preached to us I thought was our own doing, and came to us from ourselves. And this my error is sufficiently indicated in some small works of mine written before my episcopate. Among these is that which you have mentioned in your letters wherein is an exposition of certain propositions from the Epistle to the Romans. Eventually, when I was retracting all my small works, and was committing that retractation to writing, of which task I had already completed two books before I had taken up your more lengthy letters,—when in the first volume I had reached the retractation of this book, I then spoke thus:—”Also discussing, I say, ‘what God could have chosen in him who was as yet unborn, whom He said that the elder should serve; and what in the same elder, equally as yet unborn, He could have rejected; concerning whom, on this account, the prophetic testimony is recorded, although declared long subsequently, “Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated,”’ I carried out my reasoning to the point of saying: ‘ God did not therefore choose the works of any one in foreknowledge of what He Himself would give them, but he chose the faith, in the foreknowledge that He would choose that very person whom He foreknew would believe on Him,—to whom He would give the Holy Spirit, so that by doing good works he might obtain eternal life also.’ I had not yet very carefully sought, nor had I as yet found, what is the nature of the election of grace, of which the apostle says, ‘ A remnant are saved according to the election of grace.’ Which assuredly is not grace if any merits precede it; lest what is now given, not according to grace, but according to debt, be rather paid to merits than freely given. And what I next subjoined: ‘ For the same apostle says, “The same God which worketh all in all;” but it was never said, God believeth all in all ;’ and then added, ‘ Therefore what we believe is our own, but what good thing we do is of Him who giveth the Holy Spirit to them that believe: ‘ I certainly could not have said, had I already known that faith itself also is found among those gifts of God which are given by the same Spirit. Both, therefore, are ours on account of the choice of the will, and yet both are given by the spirit of faith and love, For faith is not alone but as it is written, ‘ Love with faith, from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ.’ And what I said a little after, ‘ For it is ours to believe and to will, but it is His to give to those who believe and will, the power of doing good works through the Holy Spirit, by whom love is shed abroad in our hearts,’—is true indeed; but by the same rule both are also God’s, because God prepares the will; and both are ours too, because they are only brought about with our good wills. And thus what I subsequently said also: ‘ Because we are not able to Will unless we are called; and when, after our calling, we would will, our willing is not sufficiently nor our running, unless God gives strength to us that run, and leads us whither He calls us;’ and thereupon added: ‘ It is plain, therefore, that it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy, that we do good works’—this is absolutely most true. But I discovered little concerning the calling itself, which is according to God’s purpose; for not such is the calling of all that are called, but only of the elect. Therefore what I said a little afterwards: ‘ For as in those whom God elects it is not works but faith that begins the merit so as to do good works by the gift of God, so in those whom He condemns, unbelief and impiety begin the merit of punishment, so that even by way of punishment itself they do evil works’—I spoke most truly. But that even the merit itself of faith was God’s gift, I neither thought of inquiring into, nor did I say. And in another place I say: ‘For whom He has mercy upon, He makes to do good works, and whom He hardeneth He leaves to do evil works; but that mercy is bestowed upon the preceding merit of faith, and that hardening is applied to preceding iniquity.’ And this indeed is true; but it should further have been asked, whether even the merit of faith does not come from God’s mercy,—that is, whether that mercy is manifested in man only because he is a believer, or whether it is also manifested that he may be a believer? For we read in the apostles words: ‘ I obtained mercy to be a believer.’ He does not say, ‘ Because I was a believer.’ Therefore although it is given to the believer, yet it has been given also that he may be a believer. Therefore also, in another place in the same book I most truly said: ‘ Because, if it is of God’s mercy, and not of works, that we are even called that we may believe and it is granted to us who believe to do good works, that mercy must not be grudged to the heathen;’—although I there discoursed less carefully about that calling which is given according to God’s purpose.” - Augustine, A TREATISE ON THE PREDESTINATION OF THE SAINTS chapter 7 [III.]

My original point stands. Robert Barron contradicted Scripture when he claimed that everyone desires a relationship with God. Even an elementary student could understand what Paul said in Romans 3. Instead of ranting and throwing out a litany of historic figures, show me from scripture, not the writings of Catholics, where you think I am wrong.


25 posted on 03/21/2014 2:41:53 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: ottbmare; Biggirl

“Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ.”
— Jerome


26 posted on 03/21/2014 2:54:44 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: NYer
I don’t think the purpose of Vatican II was to modernize the Church. The purpose of Vatican II was to Christify the world. It's goal was to send us out light-bearers to the end of the world.

Cuz the Church just wasn't Christifying the world for 1960 years? Please.

27 posted on 03/21/2014 5:02:06 PM PDT by piusv
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To: NYer

Father Barron does use scripture as part of the “new evangelization”. There are scripture quotes on the website.


28 posted on 03/22/2014 4:07:41 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: NYer

I just ran across this article online.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/21/actor-says-new-movie-hes-in-with-duck-dynasty-stars-could-bring-agnostics-to-faith/


29 posted on 03/22/2014 11:06:52 AM PDT by GreyFriar ( Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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