Posted on 03/24/2014 6:24:52 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
Why be a Catholic priest if you don’t believe in the Church?
Inquiring minds sure would like not to know. Sounds to me like you have all priests pegged into being little democrat mouthpieces. Now, that is being very, very naive. Email Cardinal Burke or Father Frank Pavone and ask them who they voted for. They won’t tell you but I can guarantee you it was not the Kenyan.
Isn’t Arthur McGowan a priest?
I hope so, then he can answer my question. Which is why be a Catholic priest is you can’t abide by the teachings of the faith? I certainly think most do.
Oh, I am. I made the mistake of thinking you were Catholic though.
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I can hear the other readers now, wonder what those two nuts are talking about?,ha,ha.
I was at a penance service ten years ago. One of the priests—who I already knew was a Yellow Dog Democrat—suddenly asked the assembled priests: “So. What are we going to do to get Kerry elected?”
In 1984, Archbishop Roach of Minneapolis/St. Paul hugged Walter Mondale in public, declaring: “This is the real pro-life candidate—He’s against nuclear war.”
I cannot begin to count all the occasions over the years where a pastor of a parish, or the president (a priest) of a Catholic college has bestowed some sort of honor on a pro-abortion politician. Where were you when Chris Matthews, Ted Kennedy, Geraldine Ferraro, Nancy Pelosi, Dick Durbin, Tom Daschle...on and on and on...have been honored as commencement speaker or with honorary degrees or both? Have you forgotten Notre Dame’s shameful hosannas for Obama?
A few years ago, the USCCB adopted a policy against such scandalous actions. The Jesuit colleges have been systematically, diligently defying this policy ever since.
The vulgar, grotesque funeral of Ted Kennedy was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for Cardinal O’Malley to slobber on Obama and revel in the presence of celebrities. Read the Cardinal’s blog if you think this is an exaggeration.
http://www.cardinalseansblog.org/2009/09/02/on-senator-kennedys-funeral/
The clergy—especially the bishops—have, in the main, been the enemies of the pro-life movement. This is something that any Catholic who has been truly involved in the pro-life movement knows.
The clergy—especially the bishops—of the United States have amassed a record of toadying and groveling to pro-abortion Catholics that would entitle the clergy and bishops of Germany in the 1930s to hold their heads high.
Quote to me anything I’ve said that indicates that I “don’t believe in the Catholic Church.”
I never said you didn’t believe in the Catholic Church, the question was how can a man commit his life to Christ and His church, and be totally against the teachings of their own faith. To me it boggles the mind.
Tell me what teachings of the Catholic faith I don’t believe.
Father, I don’t think he’s saying this about you. I think he is questioning the other priests and bishops who are not (who do not vote) pro-life, etc.
OOooh!
The answer is really pretty simple.
Respect. Easy life (if you want that). Undermine what you hate from the inside.
I suppose there are people who ask: “If Obama hates the U.S.A., why would he want to be President???”
We all know the answer to that one.
The molested child and the unborn child are equally human beings in the estimation of God and the Catholic Church. Molesting children and aborting the unborn are horrendous sins. Are you REALLY arguing that molesting, however horrible, is actually worse than dismembering and murdering the unborn?
Another way to put it would be: If you could wave a magic wand and end one or the other of these sins once and for all but not affect the other, which would it be? End all abortions or end all molestations? You can choose only one.
I am not talking about you. I am specifically talking about those Catholic priests who believe in abortion and any other of the social issues of the church that are not up for negotiation, ie, the truths of the Christian faith. Abortion is murder and homosexual “marriage” is against nature and not part of God’s plan. Why don’t these priests that are obviously at odds with their own faith leave that faith. That I will never understand.
Why don’t they leave?
Do you remember when Charles Curran was at Catholic University?
He was always the first person the press ran to for an opinion (always heretical) about sexual issues.
Finally, in 1986, Cardinal Ratzinger ordered him out. Curran went to Auburn University, a Protestant institution.
He hasn’t been heard of since.
“Since he continues to dissent from orthodox Catholic Church teaching, Curran has been deemed, by the Vatican, unfit to teach Catholic theology”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Curran_%28theologian%29
Did you not see post #111? Father explained why.
The episcopate, corporately, isn't especially pro-life. At least, not when it conflicts with other purposes, goals, and desires.
As a Knight of Columbus, I can tell you that our order is officially pro-life, and we try our best to put our money where our mouth is. Corporately, we engage in the political arena, the social arena, and we just try our best to help women in crisis pregnancies. We help do the logistics for various marches for life around the country, we engage in letter-writing campaigns, we provide the manpower to drive parish-level, diocese-wide pro-life efforts.
We tax each member a small bit of money to raise millions of dollars per year to provide for pro-life and pro-family activities and advertising in the wider society, to try to influence people generally to acknowledge the right to life. Some folks in the wider society have criticized us for these efforts, seeing us as little more than a propaganda arm for the Republican Party.
Local councils have built housing for women in crisis pregnancies, have conducted campaigns to collect money, food, clothing for these women. Local councils in conjunction with Supreme have bought numerous ultrasound machines to give to crisis pregnancy centers so that women can see their unborn child before making any decision to have him or her killed.
Yet, we have “men” within our ranks who are pro-abort. Some of these men are Democrat politicians. At the grassroots level, many councils have tried to remedy the scandal of publicly pro-abort K of C politicians by relieving these vermin of their membership within the order.
I have spoken with officials as high as State Deputy (the top Knight in each state), and essentially, it is the bishops who stay our hand. Some folks criticize us, and perhaps some day, we will have to break with the evil bishops on this, and just do the right thing and hang the pro-abort bastards out to dry. But that would be a radical and sad step, as the Knights have always tried to be in step with the hierarchy, not off doing our own “Catholic” thing against the hierarchy. If we were to break with the bishops on this, part of the purpose of our order would be vitiated.
The bishops have higher priorities than unborn babies. They have presidents to meet and see, to wine and dine. They have to entertain and maintain their political viability. They don't want to be seen as too partisan. The closeted homos among them would like to remain in the closet. They like their French cuffs and their beautiful cufflinks and other finery. They have their thug union brothers to consider, their neo-Marxist agendas, their mansions, hot tubs, and swimming pools.
And for those who ostentatiously live "humbly" and "simply," they have their reputations for simple living to keep intact.
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Thanks for weighing in on this. I know that a lot of bishops are politicians first, pastors second. The one we have here in Eastern Washington is a conservative and I am grateful of that.
Speaking of the Knights of Columbus, rumor has it that the republican hold-outs in the NY State assembly (that would not vote for homosexual “marriage”), were also members of the KofC. Apparently Cuomo made them a deal that couldn’t refuse, they flipped, now homosexual “marriage” is the law in NY State, without the people voting it in. If this is true, it’s absolutely outrageous that these Catholic men could support this kind of evil. In the end they will have to answer to the master and he’s not going to be too happy. The KofC donated big bucks to defeat the homosexual “marriage” amendment a couple of years ago. But in the end they could not compete with the liberal billionares like Bill Gates and others, so now Washington State has homosexual “marriage”. I too know some fellow Knights that vote democrat. The council that I am a member of is mostly conservative Catholics, despising Obama and everything about him. Thanks for being a Knight. Vivat Jesus
So you are saying that there is no such thing as an immoral law?
There is no such thing as an immoral action by the State?
Putting Jews in ovens was done by the government—which makes it a “political” act. Therefore, according to you, it is illegitimate for anyone to say that putting Jews in ovens is immoral.
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