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Is This the Future of Same-Sex Marriage for Evangelicals?
Aleteia ^ | 25 March 2014 | Brantly Millegan

Posted on 03/25/2014 1:59:06 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson

The U.S. branch of the evangelical humanitarian aid organization World Vision announced this week that it will no longer bar its employees from being in same-sex marriages. Employees are still barred from having sex outside of marriage, but “marriage” will now include marriages between people of the same sex. World Vision U.S. president Richard Stearns tells Christianity Today the change is “not an endorsement of same-sex marriage,” but it’s hard to read it any other way.

It’s certainly a disappointing loss for supporters of traditional marriage, but I’m not surprised, and here’s why.

"I think you have to be neutral on hundreds of doctrinal issues that could divide an organization like World Vision,” Stearns explains to Christianity Today in defense of the decision of World Vision U.S.. "One example: divorce and remarriage. [Protestant] churches have different opinions on this. We've chosen not to make that a condition of employment at World Vision. If we were not deferring to local churches, we would have a long litmus test [for employees]. What do you believe about evolution? Have you been divorced and remarried? What is your opinion on women in leadership? Were you dunked or sprinkled? And at the end of the interview, how many candidates would still be standing?”

In other words, evangelical Christians are divided on such a large swath of issues, with no easy way of settling them for the evangelical community, that an evangelical organization must either deem as unessential as wide a range of issues as possible (even if this means, as in the current instance, sometimes widening that area of non-essentials as positions in the evangelical community change) or else make itself impractically narrow.

The problem comes from sola scriptura, or “Scripture alone,” one of the fundamental operating principles of Protestantism.

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1 posted on 03/25/2014 1:59:07 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: matthewrobertolson

How long before straight marriage is outlawed?


2 posted on 03/25/2014 2:02:39 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: matthewrobertolson

How is that position called neutral?


3 posted on 03/25/2014 2:03:17 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: matthewrobertolson

I am not of the evangelical community.

But, I wonder, is there any split or reasoned debate on the issue of homosexual marriage among these Christians?

I had thought that all of these Christians, despite doctrinal disagreements on other things, all agreed that homosexual marriage was not allowed in their churches, wanted our secular laws to reflect that, and thought that homosexual behavior was a sin.

If I am mistaken on any of this, I stand corrected.

If not, this sounds like a giant breach in the dyke, so to speak, as the floodgates open, and open homosexuality becomes a social norm within Christianity.


4 posted on 03/25/2014 2:04:06 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (as)
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To: matthewrobertolson
The problem comes from sola scriptura, or “Scripture alone,” one of the fundamental operating principles of Protestantism.

No it doesn't. Following Scripture gives the Truth "Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? ... or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are..."

No one with sin can enter the Kingdom of God and certainly not with that red flag.

The problem is the Abandonment of the Scriptures at World Vision.

5 posted on 03/25/2014 2:05:01 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: matthewrobertolson

Comparing it to “dunked versus sprinkled”? We truly are in a post-Christian world.


6 posted on 03/25/2014 2:12:31 PM PDT by DallasDeb ((usafa06mom))
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To: matthewrobertolson
Employees are still barred from having sex outside of marriage, but “marriage” will now include marriages between people of the same sex.

Homosexuals will still be having sex outside of marriage since they can no more be married than a cat and a cabbage.

7 posted on 03/25/2014 2:14:13 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Democrats are Cruz'n for a Bruisin' in 2016.)
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To: BlessedBeGod

it’s sickening that WV will say that a boyfriend and girlfriend having intimate relations is wrong, but two guys doing each other up the butt is just fine!


8 posted on 03/25/2014 2:22:33 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: matthewrobertolson

Do they now consider a male anus to be equivalent to a vagina?


9 posted on 03/25/2014 2:23:08 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: matthewrobertolson

When is Christians going to get it? this is satans world, the Churches that once was of God are being destroyed.


10 posted on 03/25/2014 2:29:14 PM PDT by ravenwolf (ost void of pend)
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To: matthewrobertolson

This is a perfect example of The Overton Window.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window


11 posted on 03/25/2014 2:30:07 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: matthewrobertolson

Equating “I don’t know if I should be dunked or sprinkled” with “I don’t know whether or not to have homosexual sex” is really a reach.

The first has a legitimate biblical case to be made either way. Homosexual sex does not have a legitimate case in either the Old or New Testaments or in the history of the Church.

It’s biblically wrong, World Vision. It’s simply wrong.


12 posted on 03/25/2014 2:33:02 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: matthewrobertolson

There is no future for queer marriage in my belief system. It’s a sham, no matter who says different.


13 posted on 03/25/2014 2:34:46 PM PDT by pallis
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To: matthewrobertolson

Remember this, and Islam, and gay churches, and polygamy churches, when libertarians use the diversion of pretending to want to make marriage purely religious, to preserve it.

They do that so that politically they can advance the gay marriage march, while placating gullible republican voters.

It also usually distracts the listener into reminiscing on his own church wedding, and assuming that is what they mean.

Just as the “state” issue ignores the reality of life that America is not going to be a patch quilt of married here, not married here, parent and husband here, not parent and husband here, and that marriage is an issue in federal employment, the military, and immigration.

The only way to fight “gay marriage” is at every level, every day, at city hall, in union contracts, at the state level, at the federal level, the party and it’s candidates have to be conservative, regardless of the office they are running for.


14 posted on 03/25/2014 2:44:33 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: matthewrobertolson

A couple of Christmas’s ago our whole family went together and sent money to World Vision to buy goats for poor people to raise and sell. NO MORE MONEY FROM ME and I shall tell them so.


15 posted on 03/25/2014 2:48:43 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I think you’ll find that believers that strive to obey the Word and honor Christ in their lives honor the Word and obey Christ. That leaves those who don’t, out. They may think of themselves as ‘Christians’ but they would fly in the face of the Word and historic Christianity.


16 posted on 03/25/2014 2:50:04 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Dilbert San Diego

They are using the term EXTREMELY loosely. In fact, they’re using the word Christian extremely loosely


17 posted on 03/25/2014 3:03:11 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: matthewrobertolson

“The problem comes from sola scriptura, or “Scripture alone,” one of the fundamental operating principles of Protestantism.”

No, it comes from the abandonment of Sola Scriptura.


18 posted on 03/25/2014 3:17:54 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: matthewrobertolson

The late David Wilkerson (Sword and the Switchblade) received an end times vision in the early 70s. It was so disturbing he published it in a book (The Vision) at the expense of ridicule.

Everything has or is coming to pass. Believers are in for a rough ride.

DAVID WILKERSON’S THE VISION PART 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnbpGCrc1zg

DAVID WILKERSON’S THE VISION PART 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L5VPwHDwEg

DAVID WILKERSON’S THE VISION PART 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4i6q07j59k

DAVID WILKERSON’S THE VISION PART 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYgiHFcR-JM


19 posted on 03/25/2014 3:29:47 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: matthewrobertolson

The homosexual mafia strikes again.


20 posted on 03/25/2014 3:36:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Money talks. World vision will get the message very quickly if people do this.


21 posted on 03/25/2014 3:38:12 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Bookmarked.


22 posted on 03/25/2014 4:29:04 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: GeronL
How long before straight marriage is outlawed?

I am sure they are already trying to figure out how to do that.

23 posted on 03/25/2014 4:38:00 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: matthewrobertolson

I’ve heard WorldVision talked about negatively for years by Bible-believing Christians. They have not been “Scripture alone,” but evidently have allowed mainline Protestants who don’t take the Bible literally to work there, and eventually this had to be the result.

A very good book going over what happened in the last 100 to 200 years so that different denominations got away from depending on the Bible as their sole authority (including by going over what happened in different seminaries) is called The Battle for the Bible. I’ll post again with author’s name, but the same sort of thing happened. As soon as it’s said that the Bible has “errors” or can’t be fully depended on, apostasy is the inevitable result.


24 posted on 03/25/2014 4:48:00 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: matthewrobertolson

“The Battle for the Bible,” Harold Lindsell.


25 posted on 03/25/2014 4:50:17 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: matthewrobertolson

One thing I remember very well about Lindsell’s book is how aspiring professors would lie while applying to work at seminaries, and then come out with their real beliefs later and were often allowed to stay on, despite opposition from those with faithful beliefs.


26 posted on 03/25/2014 4:56:50 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: stars & stripes forever

For later watching.


27 posted on 03/25/2014 5:01:20 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: sr4402
That assumes that they agree on the interpretation of the two Koine Greek nouns "Malakoi" and "Arsenokoitai" often translated "homosexual."

But now they're saying that it cannot refer to two men wed to each other, but only to two men who have sexual relations who are not lawfully married.

Now, this may strike you (as it does me) as a ridiculous evasion, but the whole upshot of it is that these two words have never before in history been used to mean two men or two women who are married to each other.

Historically, they referred only to boy prostitutes and pederasts, and not to marrital relations between spouses who happen to be the same sex.

I don't buy this argument. However, if you can succeed in limiting the meaning to only those cases (prostitutes and pederasts), then you can introduce he idea that it's marriage that makes sexual intimacy legitimate for homosexuals, just as it does for heterosexuals.

They defend themselves with this verse: (Hebrews 13:4) Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

-- They're saying, "We're neiher fornicators nor adulterers. Scripture says marriage is for all, and our bed undefiled. So respect marriage for all." Don't flame me for saying this. I don't agree with it myself. I'm just illustrating how some people interpret Scripture.

28 posted on 03/25/2014 5:23:42 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Woe to those who call good evil, and evil good; call darkness light, and light, darkness.)
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To: BlessedBeGod
Homosexuals will still be having sex outside of marriage since they can no more be married than a cat and a cabbage.

They can be legally married in California.
Headline: 17 States with Legal Gay Marriage and 33 States with Same-Sex Marriage Bans

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Yuck.

I'm with you ... they can't be married any more than a cat and a cabbage. NO faith allows same sex marriage...NO FAITH.

29 posted on 03/25/2014 7:34:05 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: matthewrobertolson
The problem comes from sola scriptura, or “Scripture alone,” one of the fundamental operating principles of Protestantism.

Why is THAT the Roman Catholic reflex response any time there are disagreements between non-Catholics on nonessentials? Does the author seriously imagine there are none or have never been like disagreements among Church "fathers", religious orders, lay or clergy? Unbelievable that God's word must be impugned in order to assert the authority of men over God.

30 posted on 03/26/2014 12:00:27 AM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: GeronL

It seems that the Catholic church is considering getting out of the civil marriage business. Relevant radio, First Things, and a few other sources I stumbled on have had articles and shows dedicated to saying “Hey, we can leave State marriage along, and focus on the religious sacrament”.

I expect quite a few non Catholic denominations to follow suit. In other words, the Church is getting out of the marriage business just like it got out of the hospital, adoption, and aid business.


31 posted on 03/26/2014 5:50:09 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Which pleases the enemy to no end


32 posted on 03/26/2014 7:31:08 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: matthewrobertolson

Just this minute ended 25 years of sponsorship to world vision, on top of that I put permanent stop payment on my bank account in case they try to take 1st of the month payment out

I spoke in a live chat with a employee, they tried to suggest they had no choice, I went to world Vision facebook page as well, they said basically same to others I read

I cancelled via on line account, I suspect they will ask me to send a handwritten letter via snail mail to cancel? At any rate the permanent stop payment will take care of this

Why now?? Was it to show they disapprove with Hobby Lobby?

Franklin Graham is the Christian man I admire most, he said there are other alternatives to World Vision

I am going to today give same monthly amount to Samaritans purse


33 posted on 03/26/2014 8:56:07 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I don’t think there is any disagreement among Christians. The problem is that many of the churches, and as we now see parachurch organizations, are controlled by non-Christians.

With World Vision, there could be many causes. Pressure from the Obama administration since they get a lot of federal funding; also they get a lot of money from pro-homosexual companies like Google and Microsoft. I think obviously somewhere money talked and God walked.


34 posted on 03/26/2014 1:01:22 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: kaehurowing

Good points.

It would be nice to know, if something happened behind the scenes, such as the threat of loss of federal funds, which caused World Vision to allow homosexual marriages among their people.


35 posted on 03/26/2014 1:08:21 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (as)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

World Vision just announced it reversed its position, but I suspect it is too late.

Among the other negative condemnation, the Assembly of God denomination just advised their members and churches to pull support from World Vision.


36 posted on 03/26/2014 2:24:28 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: matthewrobertolson

This applies to “worldly Christians”...not to be confused with the REAL deal. We are going to see these “deceptions” cast upon the churches by Satan in these last days. And because much of the world would rather embrace this LIE, it will cause many more to stray from the narrow path, and perish...believing those lies.


37 posted on 03/26/2014 5:22:23 PM PDT by ourworldawry
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