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Why Obedience to all Ten Commandments is Essential
(Personal Letter) ^ | 3/27/2014 anno Domini | RepentandBelieve

Posted on 03/27/2014 10:20:21 AM PDT by Repent and Believe

The Ten Commandments of The Automakers:

1. Thou shalt not drive thy automobile without having oil in the engine

2. Thou shalt not drive thy automobile without a connected battery of 12 volts D.C.

3. Thou shalt not lock the doors of thy automobile and dispose of all of the keys

4. Thou shalt not cover all of the openings provided through which to view the surroundings

5. Thou shalt not remove all of the wheels on thy automobile’s axles

6. Thou shalt not remove thy steering wheel with which to control the automobile’s direction

7. Thou shalt not forget thy ignition key

8. Thou shalt not permit thy automobile’s fuel tank to remain empty

9. Thou shalt maintain working brakes in thy automobile

10. Thou shalt not remove thy air filter and pour sand into thy air intake nor block the air intake as with a rag or bag or other severe obstruction

If the auto owner were to violate any one of the above 10 commandments provided by the automaker his driving experience would very soon become a curse. If he were to follow all of them his driving experience would be likely very useful, fruitful and enjoyable experience – a blessing.

So it is with the 10 commandments provided mankind by his Maker, God (Who is to be praised and thanked always for his great love and kindness and absolute power and dominion!) If someone practices all but one of His ten commandments, that person will experience the curse of that one omission, just like an automobile is a cursed heap of metal and plastic and rubber without all of its proper needs met. After all, the driver is not more of an expert on automobiles than the engineers and assemblers who made and built it!


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Thus, from Holy Scripture we can read, as did Jesus Himself say (Matthew 5:17-20):

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever obeys and teaches these commandments will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven. I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. “

1 posted on 03/27/2014 10:20:21 AM PDT by Repent and Believe
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To: Repent and Believe

Apparently you do not understand the importance of the terminology...the Nazarene fulfilled the Law hence and forever more GRACE is that which is necessary.


2 posted on 03/27/2014 10:23:18 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Repent and Believe

There are over 600 laws in Judaism the Ten Commandments just being a part. There is no way anyone can keep just those ten; either in thought, word, or deed you’ve broken all of them. Since the Law belongs to the Jews, Christians are under Grace.


3 posted on 03/27/2014 10:36:11 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: Repent and Believe

It might be essential but it is impossible. Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”


4 posted on 03/27/2014 10:45:01 AM PDT by BillT (If you can not stand behind our military, you might as well stand in front of them!)
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To: BillT

And lest we forget, our Sabbath (rest) is Jesus.


5 posted on 03/27/2014 10:48:44 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Repent and Believe
If someone practices all but one of His ten commandments, that person will experience the curse of that one omission . . .

I hardly know where to begin, so let me make it simple: if I am required to keep all ten of the commandments in their entirety, with no slips (which, you would have to admit, includes Jesus' modifications) to avoid experiencing the curse, what was the purpose of Jesus' suffering, death and resurrection???

6 posted on 03/27/2014 10:58:14 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: SkyDancer
Christians are under Grace.

This is an aphorism that is often misused to lead into error. In a sense you are absolutely correct, but in another sense the Christian saved by grace is still under the law of gravity. The moral law reflects the character of God as do the operational laws of creation. If one jumps off a tall building and believes that no harm can come them because they are under grace they may find that death was the result of breaking the law. Their eternal status will only be minimally affected, but their temporal life will be fundamentally altered. In yet another sense Christ fulfilled the law on our behalf. Thus the law does not pass away, it is part of the unchangeable character of God, but the law is satisfied by the substitutionary atonement of Christ. Christ was also under the law in that it was necessary that He be absolutely righteous so that His sacrifice was not for His atonement but for His elect. Thus when a christian proclaims to under grace, what he is really saying is that he has broken the law and is guilty before the perfectly holy God of the universe and that only a blood sacrifice of a righteous man is efficacious as a propitiation. That alien righteousness is an act of grace received by faith alone. But is the elect of God now free from the law to a liberty of sin, no! The temporal consequences are just part of the created order and James points out that faith without works (not merit) is no living faith at all, but a dead faith or a faith not unto life but death. What is more our Lord says

Matthew 18:6-8 6 " But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 "Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes! 8 "If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame...
Note that the Lord still finds sin (the transgression of the law) to be a grievous matter.
7 posted on 03/27/2014 11:02:17 AM PDT by DaveyB ("When injustice becomes the law; rebellion becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Nifster

Apparently you do not understand the importance of the terminology...
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When Jesus said “Be ye perfect...”, he was only refering to show us that we can’t and need Him, and not really saying that we must be perfect?


8 posted on 03/27/2014 11:06:02 AM PDT by Repent and Believe (Promote good. Tolerate the harmless. Let evil be crushed.)
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To: jda

“if I am required to keep all ten of the commandments in their entirety...what was the purpose of Jesus’ suffering, death and resurrection???”
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The main point of the cammandments is to help us not hinder humanity. Do these and you shall live. If you study David’s fall and repentance regarding Bathsheba’s husband and herself, you see that in the same sentance almost where the prophet Nathan pronounces God’s forgiveness, he prophesies God’s punishment too. These are the outgrowths of sin. The curses also help wayward men to reform their lives when they see what harm sin causes. Thus it is a form of God’s correction, even thought severe, not condemnation.

It is helpful to appreciate the full spectrum of God’s word, not to see it from only one facet.

Yes, Jesus’ sacrifice is necessary to procure God’s forgiveness. And Jesus then after forgiving us says “Go your way and sin no more.” The ten commandments help us to examine our lives to see not only how to not offend God but to see how to promote a healthy humanity.


9 posted on 03/27/2014 11:47:01 AM PDT by Repent and Believe (Promote good. Tolerate the harmless. Let evil be crushed.)
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To: DaveyB; SkyDancer

Brilliantly stated - Since sin, iniquity, and wickedness are all defined as transgression of Torah, there can be no sin if there is no Torah. Without sin, there is no need for a Redeemer. Furthermore, to say that there is no more Torah is to deny the prophets, who declare that one day the Torah will go forth from Jerusalem and the whole earth will keep it, to include the Holy Days and the Sabbath...


10 posted on 03/27/2014 11:49:14 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: DaveyB

Nicely put. I think that however since Yashua said that before he was crucified and ended the law what He said then held true. But since He paid for all our sin then it is Grace that nullifies it because when G-d sees a Christian sin He sees Yashua who paid the price for that sin.


11 posted on 03/27/2014 12:31:15 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: roamer_1

For Christians there is no more Torah. I was once told that I cannot be a Messianic Jew. There is no such thing. I replied: Oh really? Then who were the Disciples? Weren’t they Jews who believed in Yashua? Paul? Timothy .... those guys? They were all Jews who believed in Messiah therefor they were Messianic Jews. As myself.


12 posted on 03/27/2014 12:34:47 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: BillT; cuban leaf; DaveyB; jda; Nifster; Repent and Believe; roamer_1; SkyDancer
Many Protestant ministers teach that "Grace" means "unmerited favor" to support their theology - actually it translates from the Greek as "favor".

I do my best to hold my life up to the Commandments because God gave them so we may be happy. I'm not perfect but I accept that I can do better in a world where sin is all around us. Paul gave over 95 things that are sinful! Do we just say "never-mind, I have GRACE!". A huge lie for the quick and easy salvation hucksters!

Jesus taught the commandments and many times Paul teaches to lay aside the old man. I'm sticking with scripture.

13 posted on 03/27/2014 12:40:09 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith

Paul gave over 95 things that are sinful! Do we just say “never-mind, I have GRACE!”.


He covers that pretty thoroughly in Romans. :-)


14 posted on 03/27/2014 12:41:39 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: DaveMSmith

“...Jesus taught the commandments and many times Paul teaches to lay aside the old man. I’m sticking with scripture.”
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Agreed; well said!


15 posted on 03/27/2014 12:47:36 PM PDT by Repent and Believe (Promote good. Tolerate the harmless. Let evil be crushed.)
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To: DaveMSmith

Right. It’s not a free ticket to ride. If you are aware of the sin and commit it then it’ll be something to answer for later. Unless of course you humbly pray for you sin(s) to be forgiven and never do it again. I like Rev. Charles Stanley. He had a great message that covered this and what is so-called Christian laws. It’s on YouTube or his website:http://www.intouch.org/


16 posted on 03/27/2014 12:53:44 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: Repent and Believe

And since we cannot be perfect we must have grace... that was the whole point. HE kept the law.... that was the end of the law....do you not understand what you read????


17 posted on 03/27/2014 1:31:23 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: DaveMSmith

“unmerited divine assistance given humans for their regeneration or sanctification”

How unfortunate that the dictionary provides the same definition in addition Strong’s is not on your side either. That’s why original languages are important


18 posted on 03/27/2014 1:41:27 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster
5485. charis

Short Definition: grace, favor, kindness
Definition: (a) grace, as a gift or blessing brought to man by Jesus Christ, (b) favor, (c) gratitude, thanks, (d) a favor, kindness.

From Strong's... no "unmerited" there

19 posted on 03/27/2014 1:51:11 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Nifster
HE kept the law.... that was the end of the law....

So when we are told to take up our cross and follow Him (Mt 10:38; 16:24, Mark 8:34; 10:21, Luke 9:23) what exactly was He speaking about?

20 posted on 03/27/2014 2:01:47 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith

Charitos from charis To indue with special honor make accepted.

The important part is tha God’s grace is unmerited...the unmerited part comes from the fact that it is by grace we are saved not by the law or works.


21 posted on 03/27/2014 2:18:11 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: DaveMSmith

He was not speaking of the law...


22 posted on 03/27/2014 2:18:55 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

I only see charis used in the Greek. Must be that wikipedia definition :)


23 posted on 03/27/2014 2:24:17 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Nifster

‘let him deny himself’ means what to you? To me, this is exactly what Paul was speaking of... turning away... laying aside. And, Mark 10:21 is so specific about the law, I have no idea how you could utter that.


24 posted on 03/27/2014 2:34:13 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: SkyDancer
... before he was crucified and ended the law...

The Lord Jesus said that He was the telos of the law. Not the cessation of law but the goal of the law. Paul writes in Galatians of the pedagogical use of the law to bring us to Christ. But there are other uses including the civic use (the civil magistrate is to punish bad guys) and the Christian's use for sanctification; that is to be holy or at least pursue holiness. In the latter Christ is the Holy one and a life that is a delight to Him is one of faith and holiness according to the law, which is His very own holiness.

25 posted on 03/27/2014 3:15:39 PM PDT by DaveyB ("When injustice becomes the law; rebellion becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: DaveyB
I think that Paul contradicts himself when he equates Law and Grace.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--

26 posted on 03/27/2014 3:50:47 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: Nifster

Also see Matt 15:1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” 3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ “


27 posted on 03/27/2014 5:34:11 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Nifster
...the Nazarene fulfilled the Law hence and forever more GRACE is that which is necessary.

Especially if you have a very old car.

5.56mm

28 posted on 03/27/2014 5:36:12 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Nifster

“And since we cannot be perfect we must have grace... that was the whole point. HE kept the law.... that was the end of the law....do you not understand what you read????”
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Not so fast!

If we are not perfect by the time of our death then there is purgatory reserved for us, for no unclean thing shall enter heaven, thus, if full purgation through the grace of Jesus (which opens your cooperation with the resulting action of God in your life), is not complete in this life, then in the next your union with God will be delayed until He is finished perfecting you with His generous graces. Yes, without the blood of the Lamb there would be no purgatory, only hell for us.

Meanwhile, best to pay close attention to conforming all your actions to God’s ways perfectly, for the less you do, the more tendancy toward committing mortal sin you will develop! Unrepented mortal sin at time of death will never be forgiven.


29 posted on 03/27/2014 6:12:28 PM PDT by Repent and Believe (Promote good. Tolerate the harmless. Let evil be crushed.)
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To: Nifster

“Apparently you do not understand the importance of the terminology...the Nazarene fulfilled the Law hence and forever more GRACE is that which is necessary.”
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A man once gave his son an automobile for a graduation present (complete with owners manual). The son neglected to read the owners manual and soon forgot some of the ten commandments of car ownership. He took off the tires and threw them in a lake to form a fishing reef. The son ran out of sinkers while fishing and decided to used the car key for a sinker but his line snagged and it snapped, losing the hook, line and sinker (car key). When the son tried to return from his fishing trip his car would not start for he had no backup key.

So will it be for the man who recieves the free gift of salvation through Jesus’ loving sacrifice on Calvary, but then neglects to study and live God’s word on how to relate to God and how to relate to his neighbor as a Christian. That man’s life and relationships will be in ruins and he will soon be lost.


30 posted on 03/27/2014 6:59:04 PM PDT by Repent and Believe (Promote good. Tolerate the harmless. Let evil be crushed.)
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To: Repent and Believe

bleeech... nice try. Purgatory is the imaginary place that the roman church sends you....


31 posted on 03/27/2014 10:16:12 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: SkyDancer
For Christians there is no more Torah.

I couldn't disagree more. Your Rabbi has told (commanded) you outright to do and teach Torah. That is pretty hard to get around. What is it exactly that YHWH is writing upon your heart?

32 posted on 03/28/2014 8:30:28 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

I can’t agree with you on that. If you’re Jewish and go to Synagog then you live Torah. If you’re Christian there is no more Torah but Yashua who paid the price of sin and completed the Law - i.e. Torah.


33 posted on 03/28/2014 8:34:24 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: DaveMSmith; BillT; cuban leaf; DaveyB; jda; Nifster; Repent and Believe; roamer_1; SkyDancer
Many Protestant ministers teach that "Grace" means "unmerited favor" to support their theology - actually it translates from the Greek as "favor".

Close enough - I know I don't merit the favor of salvation. Nor can I ever w/o the covering blood of Yeshua.

I do my best to hold my life up to the Commandments because God gave them so we may be happy. I'm not perfect but I accept that I can do better in a world where sin is all around us. Paul gave over 95 things that are sinful! Do we just say "never-mind, I have GRACE!". A huge lie for the quick and easy salvation hucksters!

That is very good thinking - Indeed, an aspect of Torah is 'right living'... And 'right living' doesn't change. Another really important aspect is as a filter upon interpretation - That which the Brit Hadasha CAN'T be saying, without breaking Torah... Very important.

Jesus taught the commandments and many times Paul teaches to lay aside the old man. I'm sticking with scripture.

Exactly so. Good for you.

34 posted on 03/28/2014 8:38:01 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

Too bad lots of Protestants and Catholics don’t know Torah and what it’s all about.


35 posted on 03/28/2014 8:39:50 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: SkyDancer
I can’t agree with you on that. If you’re Jewish and go to Synagog then you live Torah.

NO. Then you keep Halakha. The Jews do not keep Torah.

If you’re Christian there is no more Torah but Yashua who paid the price of sin and completed the Law - i.e. Torah.

Part of the prophecy declaring Messiah is that he will be Torah made flesh - That he will show how to keep Torah perfectly. As HIS disciple, he is your example. he is the one you must emulate - and HE told YOU to do and teach Torah, even as he fought for Torah, and kept Torah, and even as his sent out ones kept Torah, well after his death and resurrection. You'd better take another look at the Brit Hadasha...

36 posted on 03/28/2014 8:53:04 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: SkyDancer
Too bad lots of Protestants and Catholics don’t know Torah and what it’s all about.

You are right. It is too bad. it grieves me.

37 posted on 03/28/2014 8:54:03 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Repent and Believe
You stated that "If someone practices all but one of His ten commandments, that person will experience the curse of that one omission . . ."

I was merely responding to that statement. If failure to keep all of the Law condemns me, then what purpose did Jesus serve? I did not say that the Ten Commandments (or Jesus's modifications to them) are not applicable, but keeping them is not the source of my salvation. And, note that God's mercy means that I don't always suffer the consequences of my shortcomings, nor does He promise I won't suffer any of the consequences, but He does promise I won't suffer the ultimate consequence - eternal punishment.

38 posted on 04/01/2014 4:57:24 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: jda

Regarding your comments “…I was merely responding to that statement. If failure to keep all of the Law condemns me, then what purpose did Jesus serve?...”

Thanks for your concern and thoughts.

The primary sense of what I was saying is that by “curse”, I mean: specific damage to yourself and humanity that will befall you and others related to the offenses. The same God who designed the physical world designed the spiritual world.

Try to see the specific harm that follows violation of a Command. For example, when you lust for someone’s wife, your own wife suffers from your distraction and that relationship snowballs into an inferno of anger and distrust and on and on ending in separation, divorce, unsettled children.

Which is to say: Why not obey the commandments even from a
purely survivalist viewpoint?!

At the same time, I fear danger for those who distill the Gospel to the point where it becomes a simple formula with the grace of God’s mercy exempting me from needing to cooperate with God’s word in my daily decisions.

“If failure to keep all of the Law condemns me, then what purpose did Jesus serve?”

Jesus’ purpose in offering his very life as a pleasing oblation (sacrifice) to the Father serves to redeem those so condemned for neglecting to obey their maker! But please note very carefully: The fruits of that redemption include one’s forward adherence to the way of Christ which includes obedience to the Ten Commandments. It seems presumptuous to suppose that to fail in one of the commandments cannot play a role in the loss of our soul. Did not Jesus tell the young man who inquired about how to reach heaven, to keep the commandments? Can you illustrate one place where Jesus fails Himself to keep all Ten Commandments?

To be forgiven offenses against the law does not exempt one from thereafter following it. Did not Jesus say to the woman “Go thy way, and sin no more.”?

Did not Jesus tell the man (who had been afflicted for 38 years) just after healing him of his affliction to “Sin no more lest something worse befall you.”? Something worse could be the loss of ones’ soul.

I wouldn’t say that keeping them is the source of my salvation, but rather that it is a component of my salvation. That is one reason why many Christians throughout the ages have emphasized the regular examination of one’s life and frequent confession of sins, in order to reform your life and perfect it through the grace from the atonement, given upon each earnest confession. Jesus did not only say “Believe the good news!” but rather, “Repent and believe the good news!”

Do you think that it is impossible to lose your soul after putting your faith in Christ? I warn that it is quite possible. That is why Jesus said to “Do this in remembrance of Me.” He’s concerned that when we forget Him we will fall back into sin and confusion and lose our soul. Think not lightly of sin. The Ten Commandments are your friend while Christ is your Lord and Savior!

Your comments ended with “…but He does promise I won’t suffer the ultimate consequence - eternal punishment.”

This sounds possibly presumptuous. Even Saint Paul the apostle in one of his later letters states that he hasn’t attained salvation yet but that he strives, buffeting his body lest he lose “the prize”.


39 posted on 04/01/2014 10:12:49 AM PDT by Repent and Believe (Promote good. Tolerate the harmless. Let evil be crushed.)
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To: Repent and Believe
I do not provide all of the scriptures to support my points below, but can do so if you would like.

The primary sense of what I was saying is that by “curse”, I mean: specific damage to yourself and humanity . . .

Yes, sin has consequences - sometimes to us, sometimes to our loved ones, sometimes to others, and sometimes to all of the above. But, sometimes, although we should never expect it, in His mercy and grace, God keeps us from all or part of the consequences. And, sometimes, He goes beyond the consequences to discipline us.

Can you illustrate one place where Jesus fails Himself to keep all Ten Commandments?

Jesus was perfect, and He was a perfect Jew - He kept the Ten Commandments and every other Jewish Law. He had to, otherwise He would not have been sinless. But, because He was sinless and was the eternal sacrifice for our sins, we do not have to be, and, in fact, cannot be perfect.

It seems presumptuous to suppose that to fail in one of the commandments cannot play a role in the loss of our soul.

I attempt to follow God's leading and Christ's example because I am saved, not in order to be saved, and to be His light and salt on the earth such that others will follow Him. If my works have anything to do with my salvation, then Christ's sacrifice was useless.

Do you think that it is impossible to lose your soul after putting your faith in Christ?

Yes, I can lose my salvation, but it is not on a day-to-day basis, depending on how good I am. I did nothing to earn or deserve my salvation, except to repent and accept Christ as my Lord and Saviour. How can I, therefore, do anything to unearn or undeserve that salvation, except to willfully reject Him.

40 posted on 04/01/2014 12:21:52 PM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: jda

You said, “…we do not have to be, and, in fact, cannot be perfect.”

Jesus said, “Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

You said, “…If my works have anything to do with my salvation, then Christ’s sacrifice was useless.”

Look at it, rather, this way: It is due to Christ’s sacrifice that my works are able to help save me. Were His sacrifice of no use then my works would not even be considered in the equation. This is not a matter of pridefully earning heaven, but a matter of living in the fear of the Lord. And it has to do with following in His footsteps.

Look, Adam and Eve (that means we) really blew it in the garden. We deserved to be thrown into hell for all eternity without a second thought. But since God is love, he sent His only begotten Son on our behalf. So now it is possible to please God with our works as we live in Jesus through the grace that He offers us.

To many at the last judgment He shall say, “Depart from Me, for when I was thirsty you did not…” This evaluation is based upon works versus no works.

“those who did good will come forth to life; and those who did evil will come forth to judgment.” (John 5:29)

You said, “…How can I, therefore, do anything to unearn or undeserve that salvation, except to willfully reject Him.”

To sin seriously is to willfully reject Him. The two are the same. “If you love me then keep My commandments.” (John 14:15)


41 posted on 04/02/2014 9:44:13 AM PDT by Repent and Believe (Promote good. Tolerate the harmless. Let evil be crushed.)
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