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Time Is Near: Five Common Misinterpretations Of The Book Of Revelation
https://www.catholicculture.org ^ | Carl E. Olson

Posted on 03/28/2014 8:18:05 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

The book of Revelation, quipped Ambrose Bierce, is "a famous book in which St. John the Divine concealed all that he knew. The revealing is done by the commentators, who know nothing." And G. K. Chesterton wrote, "Though St. John the Evangelist saw many strange monsters in his vision, he saw no creature so wild as one of his own commentators."

Indeed, the book of Revelation, also known as the Apocalypse, is fascinating and mysterious. Like an enchanting woman, the book attracts admirers of every sort. Many attempt outlandish feats of interpretation in order to gain attention. They usually do more damage than good, their fevered explanations reflecting their biases and presumptions rather than any true insight.

Many popular commentators who obsess over the book of Revelation use it to support both implicit and overt anti-Catholic opinions. Fundamentalists, Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses have long associated the famed Whore of Babylon, "the mother of harlots" (Rev. 17:5), with the Catholic Church. Some also link the church of Thyatira (Rev. 2:18-25) with the Catholic Church since her members supposedly "practice immorality" and "eat food sacrificed to idols" (Rev. 2:20).

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The book of Revelation in a nutshell. A timeless message of hope for believers suffering persecution and for those others struggling not to lose faith. God is great. Jesus is victorious. Never forget that message as we struggle through this life.
1 posted on 03/28/2014 8:18:05 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

I read the entire article and it is rather a simplistic view of Revelation, this book must be held up to other scriptures, the whole counsel of the Word of God in order to understand it.


2 posted on 03/28/2014 8:28:01 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: NKP_Vet

Oh, boy. Another self-deceived “interpreter” dissing all other interpretations.

His disclaiming the biblical literal thousand year reign of Christ from Jerusalem was when the piece went completely off the rails.


3 posted on 03/28/2014 8:29:21 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: NKP_Vet
Hey. Just let the priests interpret Revelation. Then, we don't have to think!

Better yet, forget it entirely as the Post-Modern Pope Rick Warren suggests. Ignorance is bliss.

4 posted on 03/28/2014 8:30:21 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Dr. Thorne

That’s what my former roommate believed.


5 posted on 03/28/2014 8:32:12 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

While I do have to scoff at the prevalence of people screaming that the end is perpetually “right around the corner”, I agree with you that Revelation is meaningless without being viewed through the lens of the other scriptures.


6 posted on 03/28/2014 8:35:53 AM PDT by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Revelation is a multi faceted gem, refracting the manifold wisdom of God. I love the mysterious Living God, made known through his Son!

Lately I’ve seized on the concluding remarks of the letter, which are a reference to Isaiah:

“The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.” Rev 22

“Come to the waters” Isaiah cried. Without cost? Take the water of life freely? Those who want to establish a righteousness of their own—“The man who does these things will live by them”—miss the free gift of God’s righteousness.

Come to the waters, people!


10 posted on 03/28/2014 8:41:52 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: NKP_Vet

You may be interested in this video. I think a paradigm shift is developing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ8C-qe3qSM


11 posted on 03/28/2014 8:42:04 AM PDT by excalibur21
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To: NKP_Vet

More here than I feel like dealing with at present.

Suffice to say that Justin Martyr’s first comment mentioned is correct.


12 posted on 03/28/2014 8:42:55 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

**Debate over the matter existed even in the early Church. When Church Father Justin Martyr was asked in the second century if he believed that there would be an earthly millennial reign of Christ in the future, he stated, “I and many others are of this opinion, and [believe] that such will take place.” At the same time he admitted, “that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise” (Dialogue with Trypho, 70). **

BTTT!


13 posted on 03/28/2014 8:50:50 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet

I have a non-mainstream belief that I espouse here on Freerepublic from time to time. It usually gets attacked pretty harshly and the kind of comical (if it were not so serious) aspect of those attacks is the place most of those opposing me go to get their evidence is Revelation, while virtually all of my proofs are from other books in both the old and new testaments.

The very fact that a person must always go to the well of symbolism and mystery that is the book of Revelation to prove a core scriptural principle is very telling about the veracity of the evidence for that specific teaching.


14 posted on 03/28/2014 8:55:49 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: arderkrag

While I do have to scoff at the prevalence of people screaming that the end is perpetually “right around the corner”, I agree with you that Revelation is meaningless without being viewed through the lens of the other scriptures.


I strongly agree with you.

Also, I believe that the prophesy in the bible (it’s mostly prophesy) is not there to “predict the future”. Rather, the prophesy is there as warnings as well as proof of the accuracy of the bible. It’s a little like the parent’s prophesy to their teenaged daughter, “if you sleep around you are gonna get pregnant.”


15 posted on 03/28/2014 8:58:14 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

I would say that’s an incredibly accurate comparison.


16 posted on 03/28/2014 9:01:54 AM PDT by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: NKP_Vet

The Mormons believe Jesus will return to Independence, MO?

Really?

Who makes a “Come Back” from Independence, MO?

Do they even have a local TV station?


17 posted on 03/28/2014 9:06:31 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Rich21IE

Well, either that or their location up near Gallatin, Missouri.

I’m not joking.


18 posted on 03/28/2014 9:12:05 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: NKP_Vet

I agree with some things the author said, for instance the pre tribulation rapture, although there may be exceptions since with God nothing is impossible, i think every one is going to die.

1Cor 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1Cor 15
36
Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

22
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Verses 35 to 54 = 19 verses which explain the resurrection and in what manner.

Yet the believers in the rapture alive theory have i verse.
1 Thessalonians 4:13

The author also denied the theory of the Adventists and others but does not explain an alternative which i have no doubt would be hard to do.


19 posted on 03/28/2014 9:18:21 AM PDT by ravenwolf (ost void of pend)
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To: Dr. Thorne
Ignorance is bliss.

I suggest quoting the whole phrase in context:

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To each his suff'rings: all are men,
Condemn'd alike to groan,
The tender for another's pain;
Th' unfeeling for his own.
Yet ah! why should they know their fate?
Since sorrow never comes too late,
And happiness too swiftly flies.
Thought would destroy their paradise.
No more; where ignorance is bliss,
'Tis folly to be wise.

(Last stanza from Thomas Gray's "Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College", my emphasis)

20 posted on 03/28/2014 9:22:31 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: NKP_Vet

The Mass in Heaven and on Earth -- How Revelation is interpreted in this book, The Lamb's Supper. A MUST read fir all Catholics.

21 posted on 03/28/2014 9:30:52 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Oops
for all Catholics.


22 posted on 03/28/2014 9:31:40 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: imardmd1
"I suggest quoting the whole phrase in context:"

Ah, for a great many Protestants context is verboten. It's not only the death kneel of the whole Bestselling Surrender and Evacuate Rupture Doctrine, it's the death kneel of all Protestantism.

That's why Protestantism begins by throwing out a portion of the Old Testament which means they start by asserting that the Holy Spirit is imperfect because the Holy Spirit cannot and did not protect Scripture from the inclusion of error from prior to Christ until the 1500s.

That leaves them with a Trinity that consists of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Self.

23 posted on 03/28/2014 9:44:38 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: boatbums

Hey, bb, here’s another thread not bashing Protestants.

And the Prot not bashing has begun.

It’d be funny if the depth of denial weren’t so sad.


24 posted on 03/28/2014 9:53:53 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Oh! I know! Let dozens of authors speculate, each in a different direction, each reaching a different conclusion, then we’ll call those conclusions “inspired by the Holy Spirit”, as long as they each disparage the Catholic Church. That’s all of “the Truth” we need.


25 posted on 03/28/2014 10:22:26 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: Rashputin
That's why Protestantism begins by throwing out a portion of the Old Testament

I don't think you have a good grasp of Protestantism if you think that they just throw out the Old Testament.

which means they start by asserting that the Holy Spirit is imperfect because the Holy Spirit cannot and did not protect Scripture from the inclusion of error from prior to Christ until the 1500s.

What? That's absurd.
In fact there's trinitarin themes in the Old Testement, kinda buried / not-as-obvious as the crucifixion-passover foreshadowing.
Here's Dr. Michael Heiser's presentation/lecture of The Jewish Trinity: How the Old Testament Reveals the Christian Godhead which is looking at the Old Testament alone specifically with the idea of [answering] "can we look at only the Old Testament and get the idea of the Christian Godhead?"

  1. Part 1
  2. Part 2
  3. Part 3
  4. Part 4

26 posted on 03/28/2014 10:58:05 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: excalibur21

Just started the vid and (a) thanks for sharing, (b) I’ve been mulling the idea that the Catholic church and Islam could merge in the future, becoming the religion / structure from which the worship of the beast is initiated/enforced.


27 posted on 03/28/2014 11:03:11 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Of course it’s absurd but the truth never stopped the Prot haters from bashing Protestants..


28 posted on 03/28/2014 11:49:50 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: avenir

I love that it gives a blessing to those who read and heed it.


29 posted on 03/28/2014 12:09:25 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: NKP_Vet
The book of Revelation in a nutshell. A timeless message of hope for believers suffering persecution and for those others struggling not to lose faith. God is great. Jesus is victorious. Never forget that message as we struggle through this life.

The last time through I was stuck by how much John was using the OT prophets, especially the final section of Isaiah. But, always with some difference.

30 posted on 03/28/2014 12:12:09 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("He will swallow up death forever")
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To: metmom

I have recently become more and more aware of how catholics view me, a believer and follower of Christ. First off they lump me into the sea of Protestants, with very little knowledge of what bible believing Christians actually believe. I attend a conservative baptist church but they always refer to “my kind” as fundamentalist. Why do they label? I am christian and I adhere to Christ example.


31 posted on 03/28/2014 12:15:09 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

It’s the *us versus them* mentality.

In Catholic thinking there’s Catholics, and the rest of the world, who are all wrong to varying degrees.


32 posted on 03/28/2014 12:41:02 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom
There is no :us vs them:".

There's only please, please, stop denying the power of the Holy Spirit and in doing so avoid he consequences. People who claim to believe in the Scripture only after throwing out a good deal of the Old Testament wherein things they profess are clearly shown to be wrong are endangering their souls.

If that's "us vs them" it's the same "us vs them" people felt when Christ and the Apostles spoke to "them".

Have a nice day

33 posted on 03/28/2014 12:55:10 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: metmom
Catholics read all AROUND the Bible, but they never read THE Bible.

Does the Bible not interpret itself?


34 posted on 03/28/2014 1:22:48 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: OneWingedShark
"I don't think you have a good grasp of Protestantism. . . "

The Anti-Christ, Anti-Christian, Pharisee Approved, Luther Subset of the Old Testament, is not the Old Testament.

The Septuagint preexisted the incarnation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ took the Sadducee and Pharisees to task for adding to the law and many other things.

If they had added uninspired Scripture to the Word of God how can anyone believe Jesus Christ wouldn't have pointed that out ? Especially anyone who claims to base everything they believe on Scripture Alone?

No Apostle ever said there was anything in the Septuagint that shouldn't be there and the Bereans were praised for searching the Scriptures, Scriptures that for the Greek Bereans were without a doubt the Greek Septuagint. It's laughable to claim anti-Christ, anti-Christian, Pharisees who survived the destruction of Jerusalem and therefore could not possibly have had any legitimate authority from the then dead Jewish priesthood have more authority than Jesus Christ. The only authority this theoretical group had was whatever they granted their themselves.

If you obey that group of Self-Appointed anti-Christ, anti-Christian, Pharisees who had no connection whatsoever to the legitimate Jewish authorities with regard to the Old Testament rather than accepting the fact that neither Jesus Christ or the Apostles ever said a thing about there being uninspired Scriptures in the Septuagint, then you are by definition a Pharisee, not a Christian.

If you believe your fellow anti-Christ, anti-Christian, Pharisees are correct and that the Bible as translated into many, many, languages and distributed throughout the world up until the time of Luther contained error, then you have to believe not only that Christ and the Apostles didn't care that the Old Testament contained uninspired books, but also that the Holy Spirit cannot and did not protect the Word of God from the inclusion of error for roughly eighteen hundred years.

If you believe that, so be it. What logically follows is that the Holy Spirit is imperfect and therefore cannot be a part of the Trinity. Since you base that denial of the perfection of the Holy Spirit on your own personal superior to the Holy Spirit Self and Self Alone acceptance of what anti-Christ Pharisees may have said, you elevate your Self into the Trinity as coequal with God the Father and God the Son replacing the Holy Spirit with the Holy Self.

Hence, you worship the Trinity of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Self.

Do as you see fit but you when you hear Jesus Christ say, "I never knew you", you won't be able to plead ignorance since neither Christ or the Apostles ever told anyone to throw out a portion of His Holy Word.

35 posted on 03/28/2014 2:35:44 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Yosemitest
So the MARK is that of the Roman Empire, which this CHURCH did cause or shall cause the western world to receive.

Where or what is this mark? Be precise.

36 posted on 03/28/2014 2:47:43 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Rashputin
No Apostle ever said there was anything in the Septuagint that shouldn't be there and the Bereans were praised for searching the Scriptures, Scriptures that for the Greek Bereans were without a doubt the Greek Septuagint. It's laughable to claim anti-Christ, anti-Christian, Pharisees who survived the destruction of Jerusalem and therefore could not possibly have had any legitimate authority from the then dead Jewish priesthood have more authority than Jesus Christ. The only authority this theoretical group had was whatever they granted their themselves.

What are you talking about?
Who's saying anything about the Septuagint?

If you believe that, so be it. What logically follows is that the Holy Spirit is imperfect and therefore cannot be a part of the Trinity.

I don't follow: I've not said a thing regarding the Septuagint, nor do I disbelieve the [existence of the] Holy Spirit, and your connection of these seems to be very tenuous.

Do as you see fit but you when you hear Jesus Christ say, "I never knew you", you won't be able to plead ignorance since neither Christ or the Apostles ever told anyone to throw out a portion of His Holy Word.

Are you saying that God cannot use a single book, or a single passage, to bring someone to himself?
Scripture itself seems to illustrate the contrary with the story recounted in Acts 8 of Phillip and the Ethiopian eunuch reading Isiah.

37 posted on 03/28/2014 2:50:57 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Campion
Do you really want to know?
Once you find out, you probably will not be able to believe your own Bible.
38 posted on 03/28/2014 3:09:37 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Why don’t you want to answer the question?


39 posted on 03/28/2014 3:17:42 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Rashputin
I'm no sure what you are getting at. Perhaps you can explain why you discuss a concept like "the Holy Spirit cannot and did not protect Scripture from the inclusion of error from prior to Christ until the 1500s" as a basis for debate.

And, did you mean "death knell"? a mistype?

And what do you make of the harpadzo--thecatching away--of the saints (and only the saints) into the clouds?

40 posted on 03/28/2014 3:27:50 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Campion

I think what he might be saying is that if you don’t know what will happen it is forgivable when you make the mistake that most will do. If you know and then not follow the scipture, it is unforgivable. Serious stuff.


41 posted on 03/28/2014 3:30:08 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: OneWingedShark
All attempts to change the subject aside, what I said is very clear.

If you only accept a subset of the Old Testament because you assert that those portions you throw in the garbage are not inspired by God, you are denying the power and perfection of the Holy Spirit and in doing so elevating yourself above the Holy Spirit. PERIOD.

What Protestantism throws out is the question, not whether or not God can use the subset they retain in spite of their obstinate belief in Self and Self Alone. The false doctrines such folks accept directly contradict what is clearly spelled out in Scripture and has been there since before Christ. That's exactly the reason why Christ makes a point of saying that many will say, "Lord, Lord" and be told, "I never knew you".

We are to follow Christ, not what Self and Self Alone sees fit to accept. Following false doctrine is not following Christ, especially when that includes railing against and preaching against what is clearly spelled out in Scripture.

The whole Bible is available and anyone who honestly prays for help from the Lord when they read the portions Protestants throw out will have the contradictions between what they believe and what Scripture says jump right out at them.

Play all the games you like, I won't participate. Those who earnestly and prayerfully read the Scriptures see the error of their ways, I've seen it happen a dozen times.

42 posted on 03/28/2014 3:35:46 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Free Vulcan

Long As I Can See The Light [song from 1970 CCR, youtube music vid by admirer]

43 posted on 03/28/2014 3:54:03 PM PDT by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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To: NKP_Vet

And the fhu.com has the pathway to him!


44 posted on 03/28/2014 3:56:28 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Rashputin
Jesus Christ took the Sadducee and Pharisees to task for adding to the law and many other things.

Are you talking about where Christ said call no man 'father', as in 'holy father'?

45 posted on 03/28/2014 4:05:47 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."

I never did understand how they could disobey a direct order. Don't their parishioners read the bible?

46 posted on 03/28/2014 4:30:58 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: NKP_Vet
The author of this piece is clearly not qualified to give an opinion on the book of Revelation...

The Dispensationalists' position is hurt also by an argument from the other side of the coin. How do they understand the many references to "the saints" in Revelation 6-18 (8:3-4; 11:18; 13:7, 10; 14:12; 16:6; 17:6; 18:20, 24), not to mention the "great multitude" (7:9) and the "souls of those who had been slain" (6:9)?

The Dispensationalist's position is not hurt at all...There's no doubt in my mind that this author knows the answer to the questions he poses here...These things have been answered countless times in available literature for countless years...

It's interesting that the author acknowledges that the Premillennial reign of Christ has been taught as early as the 2nd Century by their count, long before they created the Catholic bible...

47 posted on 03/28/2014 4:52:00 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Rashputin
The false doctrines such folks accept directly contradict what is clearly spelled out in Scripture and has been there since before Christ. That's exactly the reason why Christ makes a point of saying that many will say, "Lord, Lord" and be told, "I never knew you".

Could you document all of that in the scriptures that you read from?

48 posted on 03/28/2014 5:08:56 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner
I never did understand how they could disobey a direct order. Don't their parishioners read the bible?

Do you? Do you read it by taking one sentence and not considering the whole context? Because if you do, that's not the right way to read it.

Jesus is talking about the Pharisees who want to kill him, but want to be addressed as "teacher," "master," and "father". He's using hyperbole and saying that it would be better not to call anyone "father," except God.

Incidentally, if you call your minister "doctor," you're disobeying this "direct order" also. "Doctor" is just Latin for "teacher".

In 1 Cor 4:15, Paul says:

For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

(Some translations, e.g., NASB, read "I have *become your father* through the Gospel". Regardless, when a man "begets," he becomes a father, by definition.)

Paul, in Philemon, also refers to Onesimus as "my child, whom I have begotten during my imprisonment". He's not referring to any biological relationship; he's calling himself Onesimus' spiritual father.

So evidently the concept of spiritual fatherhood wasn't anathema to Paul. He explains in Ephesians 3:15 that all (authentic) fatherhood, including the biological kind, is derived from the fatherhood of God.

So I think we stand on pretty strong ground. And yes, I do read my Bible.

49 posted on 03/28/2014 5:09:04 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Yosemitest
Catholics read all AROUND the Bible, but they never read THE Bible.

Does the Bible not interpret itself?

And they teach that most of the bible is allegory...What they read is alleged to mean something else...But they don't have a clue what that something else is...They don't have any legitimate idea what the bible really teaches...And then they have people going around teaching the bible to each other...

What's hilarious is they admit they are lost in the book of Revelation and expect everyone else to be lost as well...

50 posted on 03/28/2014 5:10:37 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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