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The Church of England will mount no more resistance to gay marriage among churchgoers
Protect the Pope ^ | 3/28/2014 | Michael Petek

Posted on 03/29/2014 3:05:22 AM PDT by markomalley

“The Archbishop of Canterbury has signalled that the Church of England will mount no more resistance to gay marriage among churchgoers.

Gay marriage will be legalised from Saturday with dozens of ceremonies planned around the country for one minute past midnight. This passing of the legislation caused deep rifts within the church.

“I think the church has reacted by fully accepting that it’s the law, and should react on Saturday by continuing to demonstrate in word and action, the love of Christ for every human being.” Justin Welby told the Guardian.

His comments mark a shift in tone, if not substance, from a letter from the bishops last month that attempted to forbid the clergy from marrying same-sex partners, and which led to a furious backlash from supporters. At least seven clergy couples are preparing to marry in defiance of their bishops, though none are known to be planning a public ceremony.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/27/archbishop-of-canterbury-signal-end-c-of-e-resistance-gay-marriage

Comment: The capitulation of the Church of England to the onward march of homosexualism marks the point at which it can no longer maintain a claim to be any part of the Church of Jesus Christ. It discloses a new reason – if there were none already – why the Church of England is a heresy, which, from now on, no one can continue to belong to and, at the same time, call himself a faithful Christian.

Yet there is no point in anyone leaving the Church of England unless he were convinced that Jesus Christ, in founding His Church, gave her the gift of infallibility in teaching and believing the truth. Once he forms that judgement, he has to make up his mind whether Christ’s Church is the Roman Catholic or the Eastern Orthodox.”

M Donnelly: Thank you Michael


TOPICS: Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda

1 posted on 03/29/2014 3:05:22 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
or neither.

What part of abomination is so misunderstood ?

Oh .... rejected ... I see.

2 posted on 03/29/2014 3:10:34 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: markomalley
C of E expresses its hatred of homosexuals by sanctioning their practicing, non-repentant lifestyle.

How can the love of Jesus Christ for every human being be demonstrated when the church shows that He died for nothing and embrace the actions of those who choose to walk apart from His salvation.

3 posted on 03/29/2014 3:18:20 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: markomalley

Haha...they said “mount”.


4 posted on 03/29/2014 3:35:27 AM PDT by 22202NOVA (I stand with Ukraine...warts and all.)
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To: markomalley

A pathetic shell of its former self.


5 posted on 03/29/2014 3:45:33 AM PDT by AdaGray
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To: markomalley

The Anglican Church left Christianity long ago. This is just more proof.


6 posted on 03/29/2014 4:09:55 AM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: markomalley

The last church standing in opposition to evil, is the real church. Too bad, so many hearts are hardened and given up to reprobate mind that they cannot and will no see the truth before it is too late for them.


7 posted on 03/29/2014 4:47:23 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: markomalley

Have you listened to “The Vision” by the late David Wilkerson? The Lord showed him a vision in the early ‘70s. He addressed a college group and told them it was for their generation. That was my generation. EVERYTHING he prophesized has or is coming to pass.

DAVID WILKERSON’S THE VISION PART 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnbpGCrc1zg

DAVID WILKERSON’S THE VISION PART 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L5VPwHDwEg

DAVID WILKERSON’S THE VISION PART 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4i6q07j59k

DAVID WILKERSON’S THE VISION PART 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYgiHFcR-JM


8 posted on 03/29/2014 5:08:24 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: markomalley

The Church of Non Christian Queers - formerly known as Church of England.


9 posted on 03/29/2014 5:13:44 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: markomalley

Because some people in government are now hostile to marriage as God defined it, in order to protect godly marriage we must remove the power of the State to define and regulate marriage. Then anyone will be perfectly free to enter into whatever relationship they want. However, they will not be able to call upon the police power of the state to force me to recognize a “marriage” that I know is theologically illegitimate and morally repugnant.

If we remove government from marriage and return it to the private sphere where it came from, lesbians can still marry each other, but they won’t be able to use government to force me to sell them wedding cake or artfully photograph their “marriage”. They will be free to do as they please without being able to coerce anyone else about their private affair.

But this was never really about marriage. For homosexuals it was social engineering and payback. They could bust marriage as God defined it, they could rub Christianity’s nose in it, they could punish people who objected and they could force anyone who was too vocal to shut up. But what they really want is approval, and it just galls them that a lot of people will never give it to them.

As for the Church of England, this is just another mile down the same road away from what God says to what society wants.


10 posted on 03/29/2014 5:21:42 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: markomalley
Once he forms that judgement, he has to make up his mind whether Christ’s Church is the Roman Catholic or the Eastern Orthodox

Maybe I am misunderstanding him here, but is he suggesting that both choices are equal? That both choices represent choosing Christ's True Church?

11 posted on 03/29/2014 5:21:47 AM PDT by piusv
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To: knarf
or neither. What part of abomination is so misunderstood ? Oh .... rejected ... I see.

On the flip side, Jesus died for them too. He also hung out with those who needed the most help because they were among the most abominable. He is the Judge and we are not. We shouldn't have these folks in any leadership positions, but they should be welcome in the Church in the hopes of allowing them to develop their relationship with Christ that they too can enjoy salvation.

12 posted on 03/29/2014 5:40:26 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: stars & stripes forever

He was sure spot on— an epedemic of homosexuality, churches joining together with secular organizations, porn getting into homes electronically, a recession with no end, environmentalists worried the world is worrying the world is warming up so they ruin the economy, and drug use getting spread to teens everywhere! This guy totally knew human nature!


13 posted on 03/29/2014 5:41:38 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: markomalley

“I think the church has reacted by fully accepting that it’s the law...”

The law specifically bars the CoE from participating in ‘gay marriages,’ at least to my understanding. Everyone else can do them or not. Or at least that was my understanding when the law was passed.

Freegards


14 posted on 03/29/2014 5:46:16 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: piusv

I thought he might have been saying whichever one does not capitulate would be the true church.....does the UK have many Eastern Orthodox churches? I don’t think they have all that many Roman Catholic churches.


15 posted on 03/29/2014 6:14:29 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: scrabblehack
I don’t think they have all that many Roman Catholic churches.

There are around 3,000 Catholic churches in Great Britain, so there's no shortage. On any given Sunday, there are more people in Catholic churches in Britain than in the C. of E. parishes.
16 posted on 03/29/2014 6:33:52 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: trebb
Yes, I know, but your words and the words of the article don't seem to suggest sodomites should repent and change but be welcomed without repentence.

Not saying that is your stand, but your words sound that way.

17 posted on 03/29/2014 7:26:56 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: N. Theknow
The article is talking about queers marrying.

An accepted by the church, married queer ... is still a practicing, unrepentant queer and he/she/it is an abomination.

18 posted on 03/29/2014 7:28:54 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: markomalley
The Church of England will mount no more resistance to gay marriage among churchgoers

,,, whilst they collectively busy themselves mounting other things.

19 posted on 03/29/2014 7:29:12 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: markomalley

We could look at this in a positive light and ask how many more will swim the Tiber.


20 posted on 03/29/2014 7:42:57 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: markomalley

sick


21 posted on 03/29/2014 12:38:42 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: markomalley

Lambeth to C of E: Close your eyes and think of England.


22 posted on 03/29/2014 12:48:58 PM PDT by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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To: RichInOC
The wedding night of a Victorian Bride. My family were Chapel rather than Church and we bred like rats.
23 posted on 03/29/2014 12:58:31 PM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: scrabblehack

But he doesn’t say that. It looks like he’s saying that a person has two choices.


24 posted on 03/29/2014 1:02:52 PM PDT by piusv
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To: markomalley

Hey dude, did he say “mount”?

heh, heh
heh, heh


25 posted on 03/29/2014 8:52:22 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: knarf
Yes, I know, but your words and the words of the article don't seem to suggest sodomites should repent and change but be welcomed without repentence. Not saying that is your stand, but your words sound that way.

Everyone needs to repent and try to change. It's just not our job to make them do it. All we can do is carry the Word and witness to the best of our abilities. How many Christians have actually changed their inner self? We try to do better, but most of us still have most of our original faults and have to go back and repent again and again. We shouldn't foster their lifestyle but we also shouldn't condemn them for it.

I think we get so hung up on the fact that God called the sodomites an abomination that we forget that the wages of ALL sin is death. But for the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross, we would all be as condemned as the sodomites.

26 posted on 03/30/2014 2:49:43 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb
Thus, you witness to people, offer the way to be saved and if accepted, welcome them into the family .... the family that has rules and laws.

You do not allow Molech in with HIS rules and laws just because you 'love' him.

27 posted on 03/30/2014 2:58:20 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: markomalley

The C of E ceased being a church of Jesus Christ decades ago.


28 posted on 03/30/2014 5:01:05 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: knarf
Thus, you witness to people, offer the way to be saved and if accepted, welcome them into the family .... the family that has rules and laws. You do not allow Molech in with HIS rules and laws just because you 'love' him.

I never said we should allow Molech and HIS laws to prevail. What are the family rules and laws? Jesus gave us the two Great Commandments, by which the Law is fulfilled. How do you reach those that need saving if you keep them out of the presence of those who claim Christ as Savior. We (mortal humans) don't make the rules and laws - we try, mostly unsuccessfully, to follow them while carrying the message of the Good News.

I've heard members of churches claim that, since they've been saved, they no longer do anything sinful - I think they are deluding themselves and losing out because of it. If you believe you don't commit sins, the wages of which under the Old Covenant are death, on a daily basis, you are deluding yourself - only one Man ever walked the Earth with the ability to go through a sin-free day. The rest of us are redeemed and saved by His Blood and nothing else. In Jeremiah, God told us of the New Covenant to come and He stated that He would forgive us our wickedness and recognize our sins no more. He didn't say we would be forgiven and stop committing sinful acts. Is it our job to judge and condemn others?

It seems that many religious folks seem to think they are somehow elite, much as the Pharisees considered themselves to be and we know how Jesus felt about them.Where do you draw the line and by what authority? Paul understood that to reach sectors of societies, he had to become much like them and, in that guise/costume he could relate to them and they to him. Jonah tried to flee Nineveh because he considered them to be beyond redemption and refused to witness to them because he didn't want them to be saved - God had other plans. How do we ensure we aren't being our own Jonahs?

Please take this in the way it is intended - to foster serious thought/conversation/debate that might help enlighten both of us, and not as any sort of attack at the personal or religious level.

29 posted on 03/30/2014 6:40:56 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: fwdude

The Church of England was never a church of Jesus Christ.


30 posted on 03/30/2014 1:43:34 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
The Church of England was never a church of Jesus Christ.

Then, I guess all of its past adherents are hell bound?

31 posted on 03/30/2014 2:02:59 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: trebb
Jesus' presence is not in a church ... it should be, but HE is right beside you (or out front knocking)

The article is based on accepting queers' marriages and doesn't really address the fact that queers are an abomination to God

I never said Molech's laws should prevail, I said they should not come in.


If you would feel comfortable with two guys in front of you, leaning their heads together as your priest or pastor ministers on a Sunday morning, trying to keep your kids from laughing ... you have no problem with a newly paroled child rapist babysitting your 10 year old daughter.


I'm not very good at discussing what God has already determined

32 posted on 03/30/2014 2:04:31 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: fwdude

If they are not invincibly ignorant of the fact that salvation comes from Christ through his only Church, the Catholic Church, then they are definitely skating on thin ice.


33 posted on 03/30/2014 2:33:45 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

The Roman church is a cult. There is no salvation through it.


34 posted on 03/30/2014 2:54:09 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

I guess you’re not invincibly ignorant.


35 posted on 03/30/2014 2:56:42 PM PDT by piusv
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To: markomalley

**The Church of England will mount no more resistance to gay marriage among churchgoers**

Then the churchgoers will have to mount the resistance and leave the Church of England.


36 posted on 03/30/2014 3:04:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

It all comes from being the “established” church.

Separation of church and state isn’t just to protect the state.


37 posted on 03/31/2014 2:14:28 AM PDT by Salman
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To: markomalley
I have read the article and the comments and remain confused:

- what has the U.K. authorized for homosexuals: marriage or civil partnership?

- will the Church of England officiate homosexual marriages, or only certain priests who wish to defy their bishops?

- what does "mount no more resistance to marriage among churchgoers" by the CofE mean, accepting congregants "married" elsewhere, or officiating themselves?

Everyone is spinning so hard that it is hard to divine what they are saying.

38 posted on 03/31/2014 2:48:04 AM PDT by Kennard
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To: Kennard
The CofE will not officiate homosexual marriages, but some of their clergy, seven, plan to marry their homosexual lovers elsewhere in defiance of their bishops' wishes. All this stirs up enough controversy for the Grauniad to say that the CofE will not "mount no more resistance to (homosexual) marriage among churchgoers". This statement is deceptive, but suits the paper's objective of stirring up confusion and controversy among practitioners of normal sex.

Without any guidance from those better informed, that is my take.

39 posted on 03/31/2014 3:19:00 AM PDT by Kennard
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To: fwdude
The C of E ceased being a church of Jesus Christ decades ago.

decades ? Why not centuries ? It became the Church of England as a result of the lust of King Henry VIII. The rest is natural decline.

40 posted on 03/31/2014 5:53:25 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: Kennard

I agree, stories like this usually seem to be less than clear. I think the UK ‘gay marriage’ law itself prohibits the CoE from conducting them. Everyone else can do them or not.

FReegards


41 posted on 03/31/2014 6:30:56 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: piusv

No, I’m not.


42 posted on 03/31/2014 6:35:17 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Ransomed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom


43 posted on 03/31/2014 10:57:53 AM PDT by Kennard
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