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"Married Lesbian couple" to have daughter baptized - and first the "two mothers" will be confirmed
Rorate Caeli ^ | 3/28/14 | New Catholic

Posted on 03/29/2014 8:52:04 AM PDT by BlatherNaut

Where else? In Argentina, ¡naturalmente!

From La Voz:

Daughter of two mothers will be baptized in the Cathedral Next Saturday, April 5, Umma Azul will be baptized in the Cathedral [of Córdoba, Province of Córdoba, Argentina] and president Cristina Fernández [de Kirchner] could be the godmother.

She is the daughter of Karina Villarroel and Soledad Ortiz, the two Cordoba women who contracted matrimony a little over a year ago, and regarding whom a controversy came about due to the request for leave [for matrimonial reasons] in the Provincial Police by the first one. [The civil "marriage" of same-sex couples has been legal in Argentina since 2010.] ... Karina and Soledad had to demand the authorization of the Archdiocese. "I had an audience with Archbishop Carlos Ñáñez so that he would give the order, and he confirmed to me that there will be no problem in the Cathedral," she explained. [The Cathedral] Parish priest Carlos Varas will preside at er the ceremony

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TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; lesbian; lesbonaziagenda; religiousleft
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1 posted on 03/29/2014 8:52:04 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
Its not about the parents...


2 posted on 03/29/2014 8:53:57 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: BlatherNaut

an abomination. They have turned the Father’s house into a den of iniquity!


3 posted on 03/29/2014 8:54:30 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: BlatherNaut

Well, now. Rome is joining the PC world. Gotta keep the cash flowing.


4 posted on 03/29/2014 9:01:16 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Viennacon

They will break up within a year, and it will all be done.


5 posted on 03/29/2014 9:02:03 AM PDT by FreeperCell
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To: BlatherNaut
Granted, it has been about 20 years, but my uncle in Spain married a Lutheran girl from Finland. The wedding took place in Finland, in a Lutheran church. The couple moved to Spain and everything was fine until their son was ready to enter kindergarten. At the time, in Spain, you had to show the baptism certificate to apply to school, and the boy had not been baptized. They went to a local priest and asked him to baptize the boy, and he refused on the grounds that they were not married by the Catholic church.

It seems to me like the same logic ought to apply to this lesbian couple. There is probably a church out there that would baptize the baby, but it should not be the Catholic church.

BTW, for those who are curious, my aunt and uncle agreed to get married in the Catholic church but they were prevented from doing so since she was Lutheran. She refused to convert and eventually they found a priest who married them, just not in the sanctuary but in the sacristy. Then the boy was baptized and he was enrolled in kindergarten.

6 posted on 03/29/2014 9:04:38 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Dutchboy88

Yeah, this crap never happens in Protestant denominations.

Somebody needs to put up the famous photo of Pope John Paul 2 yelling at some South American liberation theologist priest back in the 1980s!


7 posted on 03/29/2014 9:10:51 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: BlatherNaut

Would any church deny baptism to a child because of the sin of the parents?


8 posted on 03/29/2014 9:12:47 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: BlatherNaut

“Daughters of two mothers”

Impossible.


9 posted on 03/29/2014 9:15:36 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: BlatherNaut

If I lived in Cordoba I would personally disrupt the “confirmation” of the two women.


10 posted on 03/29/2014 9:17:38 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: BlatherNaut

What church? Not the Roman Catholic, is it?

Isn’t Argentina the place from which Pope Francis hails?


11 posted on 03/29/2014 9:20:27 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Can. 868 §1. For an infant to be baptized licitly:

1/ the parents or at least one of them or the person who legitimately takes their place must consent;

2/ there must be a founded hope that the infant will be brought up in the Catholic religion; if such hope is altogether lacking, the baptism is to be delayed according to the prescripts of particular law after the parents have been advised about the reason.


12 posted on 03/29/2014 9:21:04 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
The two ladies will receive Confirmation on the same day and, at 10:30 the baptism of Umma Azul will take place, with a godfather who is a friend of the family and two godmothers, the President and a friend.

These women are not Catholic. The Church in Argentina is being used as a platform for promotion of the homosexual agenda. The child should be baptized, of course, but the politicization is a disgrace.

13 posted on 03/29/2014 9:21:36 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
The child should be baptized, of course

No, the Sacrament should be delayed until the child lives with a real Catholic family, or becomes an adult.

14 posted on 03/29/2014 9:25:12 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: BlatherNaut

Homosexuals: Turning children into property with owner certificates.


15 posted on 03/29/2014 9:25:45 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Dutchboy88; BlatherNaut; Viennacon; All
Wow.

So now, being a Catholic is about as morally contrary as being a Republican. Claims to be one thing, but functionally serves the opposite cause.

16 posted on 03/29/2014 9:26:01 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: steve86

What if she died in the interim?


17 posted on 03/29/2014 9:28:49 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Finny

Traditional Catholics such as myself and many others here are the same as they always were, by definition. In addition, this is an Argentinian aberration (some may argue the pope is as well — I haven’t made up my mind).


18 posted on 03/29/2014 9:29:43 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: BlatherNaut

I am going by canon law, as you can see. That eventuality was taken into account. God has Mercy.


19 posted on 03/29/2014 9:31:07 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; steve86
Would any church deny baptism to a child because of the sin of the parents?

So, I take it that you have never witnessed a Catholic Baptismal.

If you had borne witness you would realize that the priest asks the parents for their reasons for the child's baptismal, specifically outlines the parents duties to raise the child in accordance to the tenets of the faith and to swear so before God and the congregation.

The same is demanded of the God parents.

Those promises are impossible for a homosexual couple to keep and a faithful priest should know this.

Hope you don't think it's a mere matter of sprinkling a bit of water, a magical waving of the hands, and an incantation.

20 posted on 03/29/2014 9:42:00 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: BlatherNaut

More post-Vatican II mockery of the True Faith.


21 posted on 03/29/2014 9:56:15 AM PDT by piusv
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To: BlatherNaut
The ... um .... couple


22 posted on 03/29/2014 10:13:22 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: steve86

“if such hope is altogether lacking” is an absolute. How can anyone know for sure that hope is ALTOGETHER lacking? The priest makes that judgement call, which must be balanced with the necessity of baptism for salvation.

11 Q: When should infants be brought to the Church to be baptized?

A: Infants should be brought to the Church to be baptized as soon as possible.

12 Q: Why such anxiety to have infants receive Baptism?

A: There should be the greatest anxiety to have infants baptized because, on account of their tender age, they are exposed to many dangers of death, and cannot be saved without Baptism.

13 Q: Do parents sin, then, who, through negligence, allow their children to die without Baptism, or who defer it?

A: Yes, fathers and mothers who, through negligence, allow their children to die without Baptism sin grievously, because they deprive their children of eternal life; and they also sin grievously by putting off Baptism for a long time, because they expose them to danger of dying without having received it.

THE CATECHISM OF ST. PIUS X


23 posted on 03/29/2014 10:17:08 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

Craziness


24 posted on 03/29/2014 10:21:26 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: knarf

Color me confused, but nowhere in this touching story does it state which one of these 2 lovely ladies developed the sperm to fertilize the egg of the other. Since they so heavily involved the church in this can we assume it was an immaculate conception ?


25 posted on 03/29/2014 10:25:56 AM PDT by redcatcherb412
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To: BlatherNaut
12 Q: Why such anxiety to have infants receive Baptism?

A: There should be the greatest anxiety to have infants baptized because, on account of their tender age, they are exposed to many dangers of death, and cannot be saved without Baptism.

King David disagrees


PS

Does the Catholic catechism REALLY talk like this
.. because, on account of their tender age, ..

??

26 posted on 03/29/2014 10:29:35 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: redcatcherb412

Y’know ... you might HAVE somethin’, there ....


27 posted on 03/29/2014 10:30:44 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: BlatherNaut

If we can redefine “marriage”, we can certainly redefine “baptism”.


28 posted on 03/29/2014 10:38:05 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: steve86
Agreed, of course! Just ironic. I am not Catholic myself, but most of the finest people I know, with excellent values and wonderful families and professional lives to prove it, are Catholics.

God bless!

29 posted on 03/29/2014 10:45:49 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: knarf

Man! Did they just crawl out of bed??? Filthy, oily hair, unkempt clothes; and they get their picture taken? Ugh!


30 posted on 03/29/2014 10:54:35 AM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: BlatherNaut

How on earth can these women be allowed to be confirmed when they’re obviously in purposeful, persistent mortal sin?


31 posted on 03/29/2014 11:03:12 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Democrats are Cruz'n for a Bruisin' in 2016.)
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To: BlatherNaut

Where’s the Father of this baby?


32 posted on 03/29/2014 11:13:21 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BlatherNaut
Where's the Father of this baby?


33 posted on 03/29/2014 11:17:24 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: FreeperCell
They will break up within a year, and it will all be done.

Not for the child.

34 posted on 03/29/2014 11:19:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: miss marmelstein
7 ... Somebody needs to put up the famous photo of Pope John Paul 2 yelling at some South American liberation theologist priest back in the 1980s!

1983 - Pope John Paul II upon his arrival at the airport in Managua, Nicaragua, wagged his finger and publicly admonished Liberation Theology Jesuit priest and Sandinista Minister of Culture, Ernesto Cardenal.


35 posted on 03/29/2014 11:38:18 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: miss marmelstein
"Yeah, this crap never happens in Protestant denominations."

Okay, hold the phone. Rome does not believe "protestants" are really believers and are thus lost, anyway. But, Rome views itself as the true, appointed organization. There is absolutely no slack granted for a "true, appointed" group.

36 posted on 03/29/2014 11:44:11 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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13 ... The Church in Argentina is being used as a platform for promotion of the homosexual agenda. ...

It's not just the homosexualists in Argentina - the international feminist/pro-abortion crowd is active there too.

Free-Republic - Figure of Pope Francis Burned in Argentina by a Mob of Feminist Abortion Enthusiasts
11/30/2013

Horror: Violent mob of topless pro-abort feminists attacks praying men defending cathedral (VIDEO)
12/02/2013


37 posted on 03/29/2014 11:58:11 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: BlatherNaut

From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

Confirmation can be conferred only on those who have already been baptized and have not yet been confirmed. As St. Thomas says:

Confirmation is to baptism what growth is to generation. Now it is clear that a man cannot advance to a perfect age unless he has first been born; in like manner, unless he has first been baptized he cannot receive the Sacrament of Confirmation (Summa Theologiæ III.72.6).

They should also be in the state of grace; for the Holy Ghost is not given for the purpose of taking away sin but of conferring additional grace. This condition, however, refers only to lawful reception; the sacrament is validly received even by those in mortal sin.


38 posted on 03/29/2014 12:37:15 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: BlatherNaut
Speaking to news agency "DyN Church sources recognized that the procedure to authorize a baptism with such characteristics 'would have been more complicated if Jorge Bergoglio were not the Pope."

'Nuff said.

39 posted on 03/29/2014 12:39:44 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: BlessedBeGod
How on earth can these women be allowed to be confirmed when they’re obviously in purposeful, persistent mortal sin?

No graces are received in that condition.

40 posted on 03/29/2014 12:39:59 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: ebb tide

It figures.


41 posted on 03/29/2014 12:40:55 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Covenantor

If the child was dying, would the rules be the same? or can a child get baptized when dying without regard to the sins of the parents?


42 posted on 03/29/2014 5:27:12 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“Would any church deny baptism to a child because of the sin of the parents?”

The Catholic Church allowed Madonna Ciccone’s daughter Lordes to be baptized back in the 90’s siting it’s not about the sin (or in this case sins) of the parents.


43 posted on 03/29/2014 5:47:23 PM PDT by Morgana (Wagglebee please come home we miss you!)
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To: knarf
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that kid is So-o-o-o-o fotunate that those two are not his real parents!!!!

44 posted on 03/29/2014 6:22:05 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: BlatherNaut

I just noticed this: the poor child will have one godfather and two godmothers:

>>...the baptism of Umma Azul will take place, with a godfather who is a friend of the family and two godmothers, the President and a friend.<<


45 posted on 03/29/2014 6:45:57 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Dutchboy88

I have news for you: “Rome” rarely thinks about protestants.


46 posted on 03/29/2014 10:34:54 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: MacNaughton

Thanks very much. Very kind of you to dig that old photo up. I remember loving the Pope on that state visit, lol!


47 posted on 03/29/2014 10:36:11 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“Would any church deny baptism to a child because of the sin of the parents?”

Baptists would wait until the child could give a profession of faith to include repenting of its own sins. If the child wanted to accept ‘two mommies’ as a real marriage under God, then it would not be baptized.


48 posted on 03/29/2014 10:40:19 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: miss marmelstein
"I have news for you: “Rome” rarely thinks about protestants."

Well, protesters around here (who hold to the biblical Gospel) think about Rome often. The error-filled doctrines promulgated by that broken Romish cult have captured the attention of many sheeple and we want to present the truth of the Scriptures. Nevertheless, it is God who will open the eyes of the RCs...or He will leave them to Rome's darkness.

49 posted on 03/30/2014 10:05:48 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Take it up with a RC priest if yours was a honest question. Not my denomination.


50 posted on 03/31/2014 2:49:06 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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