Skip to comments.The Protestant's Dilemma
Posted on 03/31/2014 7:54:31 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
What if Protestantism were true? What if the Reformers really were heroes, the Bible the sole rule of faith, and Christ's Church just an invisible collection of loosely united believers?
As an Evangelical, Devin Rose used to believe all of it. Then one day the nagging questions began. He noticed things about Protestant belief and practice that didn't add up. He began following the logic of Protestant claims to places he never expected it to goleading to conclusions no Christians would ever admit to holding.
In The Protestant's Dilemma, Rose examines over thirty of those conclusions, showing with solid evidence, compelling reason, and gentle humor how the major tenets of Protestantismif honestly pursued to their furthest extent wind up in dead ends of absurdity.
The only escape? Catholic truth, which Rose patiently unpacks. In each instance, he shows how Catholicism solves the Protestant's dilemma through the witness of Scripture, Christian history, and the authority with which Christ himself undeniably vested his Church.
The Protestant's Dilemma is the perfect book to give non-Catholics trying to work through their own nagging doubts, or for Catholics looking for a fresh way to deepen their understanding of the Faith.
(Excerpt) Read more at protestantsdilemma.com ...
As a former Protestant pastor, I wish that I had read The Protestant's Dilemma years ago. Devin Rose serves as a theological tour guide, leading the Protestant from the parlor of Martin Luther to the high altar of St. Peter's Basilica. Along the way, he demonstrates that each and every step toward the Catholic Church conforms to Sacred Scripture and Church history. This is the guidebook to get you from the Reformation to Rome.Taylor Marshall, author of The Crucified Rabbi: Judaism & the Origins of Catholicism
Why?? Because one of these tonight just isn’t enough, right?
I like that St. Crispin’s Day quote in your profile.
It really is a stain on FR that they let this go on.
Another stalker article, with Catholics yet again obsessed with Protestants. Do they know Protestants rarely ponder Catholicism?
Its creepy,,, we don’t hate you, but we really aren’t coming back. Even if you slash our tires and send us cards. Don’t make us get a restraining order.
I would prefer to read good summaries of the key arguments but all I can find at the link is advert to purchase the book ( did I overlook something?)
And FR is biased on this question.
Does the book talk about Catholic bishops hiding and protecting child-molesting priests? I know there may not be any more molestors in the Catholic priesthood than any other profession, but that’s not the point. The Catholic hierarchy shielded them, shunted them from parish to parish - exposing new congregations to potential danger - and that’s the real scandal. An institution that is wholly top-down in its power structure gives us a lesson in how power corrupts.
This is why Protestantism isn’t going to go away - many Christians want to have a voice in church government, and to be treated like adults, not children. This is the same impetus that gave rise to the American Revolution. Which was a largely protestant movement, as it happens.
While I’m not sure what catholics mean by “protestant,” I’m guessing they simply mean people who take the Lord at His Word and rely on the Bible and who don’t rely on man-made traditions and works for their salvation, but who instead rely solely on Jesus—you know, just like Jesus told us to. I’ll take the Lord’s Word over corrupt, man-made, extra-biblical traditions ANY DAY.
Nice ad, typical Catholic analysis. Kevin Trudeau Part Two.
Yes, it is. I imagine that because there's a huge catholic presence here, and they donate, it is what it is.
This was posted on March 18 The Protestant's Dilemma
It went up to 820 posts that only ceased input last Saturday. Why did you need to repost? Hasn't pretty much everything that can be said already been said???
It is amazing that you allow Protestants to live rent free in your head.
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It doesn’t introduce any arguments or facts for us to discuss.
Another one bashing Protestants. Isn’t one a night enough? What is it with you Catholics? Aren’t y’all secure in your beliefs? I have never seen one religious group so obnoxious.
I’d believe that if certain posters didn’t ping the entire contingent of FR protestantism when making a reply to a thread on the RF.
Frankly, I don’t think it’s that huge. The same names post A LOT.
I will agree with you on this. The hit pieces are tiresome.
I started getting into a discussion about it with a friend who talks faster than I do ;-) and she didn't want to hear what I had to say after I informed her that I have issues with the Catholic church but the most basic doctrine is if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord you will be saved. I explained that a Catholic who recites the creed and thinking about the words they are reciting believe in their hearts and confess with their mouths " . . . . we believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, only son of the Father." I got that much out, not sure which creed, not the Apostles but the Athanasian or Nicean.
With me it's not a case that one side is all wrong and the other side is all right.
I've been stuck on it for a few years now, I think the bible alone can save if that's all a person has, but it would be good to know the right teaching about the Eucharist and then work on the other areas of misunderstanding. There are many things Catholics believe that are not required for belief, just that over the years, private revelations and experiences become popular, especially by culture.
My former roommate was like this as well. Nearly 24/7.
Way over the top and terribly-obssessed with it.
Always looking for an argument and making all sorts of jabs.
Like when I left the kitchen lights off, because the computer doesn’t need and the screen is in fact, harder to see with lights, he jumped in 1 second after hitting the door about “Boy, you Protestants love the darkness, don’t you?”.
One for your collection of threads and posts that you claim NEVER bash Protestants.
Don’t see it here on this one. And besides, is pinging only allowed for Catholics?
“While Im not sure what catholics mean by protestant, Im guessing they simply mean people who take the Lord at His Word and rely on the Bible and who dont rely on man-made traditions and works for their salvation, but who instead rely solely on Jesusyou know, just like Jesus told us to. Ill take the Lords Word over corrupt, man-made, extra-biblical traditions ANY DAY.”
You do recognize that this is the essence of the logical fallacy of reductio ad absurdum? It is really nothing more than a straw man argument and proves nothing.
Honestly pursued? A critic of a doctrine has little credibility in claiming to honestly pursue it. Everyone knows that the examination is only being done to discredit the idea.
Not at all. But it’s been my experience when discussing religion with protestants on FR it is rarely a one-on-one discussion. Why are people being pinged to a discussion that they aren’t even a part of? For their own edification and understanding to the poster’s point? Color me skeptical. Protestants jump on Catholics as if they were playing knockout king.
I think you are way, way, way off track there.
Maybe. There are simple ways to deal with this but they refuse to do it.
Oh you poor, pitiful, persecuted papists! This thread, as well as several others just today, is a REPEAT of one posted a mere two weeks ago and is designed to intentionally provoke non-Catholic Christians. Don't whine when answers come back.
Oh I ain’t whining. Just making an observation. Which I noticed you didn’t deny. But that’s okay. I’d wager money on one good catechized Catholic versus a horde of Protestants and their cognitive dissonance.
However, I’ll remember your intentionally provoke comment the next time certain members of the FR protestant contingent decides to post Protestant Pedoporn. Which is done purely for news consumption I’m sure.
Tell me again, which Saint do I pray to to eliminate the smells from farts?
Oh, and where can people pray before “The Holy Toenail” shrine?
Many Protestants convert because one Catholic dared to share the truth.
Nothing like feasting on the rotten fruit of the religious forums at free republic.
Every “ism” will miss the mark on Christ.
Many Catholics believe because one Protestant witnessed.
The whole premise is ridiculous. I’m not a Protestant, I’m a Christian. Catholicism is a “religion”. I don’t belong to a religion, I belong to Jesus.
Now I attend a church affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention, but I’m not a Baptist, again, I’m a Christian.
I didn’t CHOOSE to be a Protestant, I read the bible.
Billy Graham wasn’t in there and the pope wasn’t in there. Mary was in there, but she had a very small role. It was about God of the old testament and the Savior to come and Jesus of the new testament, born, died, and risen to forgive the sins of the world for those who accepted Him.
It’s not about what “club” you belong to, Protestant or Catholic. These are silly labels invented by men.
Just be a Christian. There even is an instruction book to follow. You don’t need other books or people to tell you what it means. The Holy Spirit will guide you.
Thank you very much.
1. nature of the Eucharist or Lord’s supper...
a. RCC: literally the body and blood of Jesus (Matt. 26:26-28)
b. Ignatius of Antioch: “The Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior, Jesus Christ...”
c. Justin Martyr: ...”the elements are both the flesh and blood of that same incarnate Jesus...”
d. Clement — may have leaned to a more symbolic understanding?
e. Origin — may have leaned to a more symbolic understanding?
f. Augustine — referred to the bread and wine as the body and blood, but also distinguished between the sign and the thing signified (in that he believed that non-believers partaking of the Eucharist do not partake of the body even though they ingest the bread....)so that, in modern language, we might say Augustine saw the Eucharist as principally symbolic
g. conclusion of above by about year 500 or so — Christ IS at least spiritually in the Eucharist (”the real presence” doctrine), with some probably still holding to the “actual body and blood” perspective
And it is from these origins that so many of today’s arguments derive, indeed today’s debaters often just repeat both the ideas and the invective style of language (at least when it comes to Luther and Calvin).
But, it is interesting, thanks for raising the topic!
I am always open to better ideas, too.... so jump right in if you like.
All the best,
Catholics were the first Christians. It’s in the Bible!
Protestant Pedos go to prison, they don't just shuffle the deck like the Catholics do.
Thanks for making my point Xone.
Convert? From Christian to Christian?
Now there's a new argument that I've not heard before. (Some) Catholic priests sexually assaulted male children and minors in order to sexually stimulate Protestants.
And all done in a spirit of ecumenism, I'm sure.
26and when he had found him he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a large number of people, and it was in Antioch that the disciples were first called Christians.*
You do believe the Bible, correct?
All the time. If I had my list of converts from other denominations to Catholicism ridded of all the duplicates I would post them to you.
Believe me, there are a lot!
...eternally, eternity, Ethiopian, eunuch, eunuchs, eutychus, evangelist...
No Eucharist. Should be right in the middle of that list...
While not a follower of either religious sect, I do have two favorite Christian groups: Catholics and Baptists.
Of course both are equally “wrong”, but God will sort us all out eventually.
Myself, I thank the Catholics for their help in fighting against spiritual evil, and I also thank the Baptists for their help in the fight against physically evil human acts.
I have found great comfort, when I needed it most, amidst both denominations.
Imagine the Disciples' surprise.