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Charlotte diocesan, school officials apologize for controversial presentation on homosexuality
CWN ^ | 4/3/2014

Posted on 04/04/2014 2:37:50 AM PDT by markomalley

Two weeks after a Nashville Dominican nun spoke to students at one of North Carolina’s largest Catholic schools and delivered a presentation critical of homosexuality, diocesan and school officials offered apologies at a meeting attended by an estimated 900 parents.

“Many said that” the first part of Sister Jane Dominic Laurel’s presentation at Charlotte Catholic High School “was excellent and fully in line with the Catholic faith,” said Father Roger Arnsparger, the Diocese of Charlotte’s vicar of education, as quoted on the diocesan newspaper’s website.

“There was unfortunately a misunderstanding about the content of the last part of the presentation,” he continued. “In that part, I understand that Sister used data from the Linacre Quarterly, a reputable journal, and from other sources. That data can be debated and, in fact, is debated back and forth by scholars who are researching the areas of human sexuality. Because of the ongoing debate, it would have been better if these studies and data were omitted from the presentation to the students.”

The school’s dean of students and two assistant principals apologized for not informing parents about the presentation beforehand. (The school’s principal was placed on leave in March amid reports of mishandling of funds.) “Parents should have been better informed,” said David Hains, spokesman for the Diocese of Charlotte, according to the Charlotte Observer.

At the parent meeting, “there were comments from parents who supported the school and the assembly, but most of the comments were critical,” the diocesan newspaper reported. “Many parents’ emotions boiled over, with arguments even carrying over into the school’s parking lot when the meeting ended after two hours.”

“Two observers called the meeting’s climate ‘disrespectful’ and ‘hate-filled,’” the report added. Parents who sought to defend the priest responsible for the nun’s speaking engagement “were shouted down by other people.”

The Charlotte Observer reported that the Nashville Dominicans have canceled Sister Laurel’s speaking engagement at the Diocese of Charlotte’s upcoming youth conference.

“They felt like this just wasn’t a good time for the sister to speak again in the diocese,” said Hains.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholicschools; charlotte; homosexualagenda; nashville; northcarolina; romancatholicism

1 posted on 04/04/2014 2:37:50 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

This is utterly insane. In fact, it’s insane on so many levels that one scarcely knows where to begin.

That supposedly Catholic parents in a supposedly Catholic school environment should openly object to and nearly riot about what the sister said in the first place is jaw dropping, and that the bishop - who is officially the teacher of his diocese - should grovel to them is simply beyond comprehension.


2 posted on 04/04/2014 2:52:17 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

It makes more sense when you understand that most diocesan Catholic schools are business establishments first and foremost — and that any “Catholic” identity is a secondary consideration.


3 posted on 04/04/2014 3:06:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: markomalley

$ trumps Jesus.
Score one for the evil one.


4 posted on 04/04/2014 3:23:02 AM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: livius

What did she say?

Amazing how far we’ve fallen in such a short time. Will we be having the same discussion about bestiality and pedophilia in 10 years?


5 posted on 04/04/2014 3:23:33 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: right way right
$ trumps Jesus.

Not for much longer. This country is an immoral sewer, and its people need to repent NOW.

6 posted on 04/04/2014 3:26:28 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: driftdiver

Visualize two men having butt sex, probably don’t know each other, and then repeat thousands of times, in parks, toilet stalls, bath houses, etc.
doesn’t sound GAY to me, more like homosexuality.


7 posted on 04/04/2014 3:37:00 AM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: wetgundog

gee thanks for that image


8 posted on 04/04/2014 3:38:27 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: markomalley
“In that part, I understand that Sister used data from the Linacre Quarterly, a reputable journal, and from other sources. That data can be debated and, in fact, is debated back and forth by scholars who are researching the areas of human sexuality. Because of the ongoing debate, it would have been better if these studies and data were omitted from the presentation to the students.”

I took a look at Linacre Quarterly, and I think I see some articles which could put the Gay Establishment in a tizzy, like On the Psychogenesis of Homosexuality :

The best-established facts in relation to homosexuality point to developmental-psychological, not genetic or physiological, causation. The efforts of the last few decades to find evidence to support a biological theory have made it more doubtful than ever that such evidence will be found. In contrast, many studies have shown that the most significant factor which correlates with homosexuality is "gender nonconformity" or same-sex peer isolation. Another factor closely associated with homosexuality is an imbalance in parentchild interaction, notably forms of over-influence of the opposite-sex parent in combination with a deficient relationship with the same-sex parent. The third well-established correlation is with inherent, rather than discrimination-produced, "neuroticism" or emotional instability/immaturity.

Structured around this pivotal evidence from statistical as well as clinical research, homosexuality is explained here as a character neurosis. Characteristics of this neurotic character syndrome include personality immaturity, self-victimization, and self-centeredness. This syndrome affects not only the emotional but also the moral and spiritual dimensions of the psyche and if indulged leads to generalized personality deterioration. Therapeutically, a holistic approach, simultaneously addressing the emotional, moral, and spiritual components of the psyche, offers the best opportunity for overcoming homosexuality. De-egocentrization and personality maturity, including the development of mature manhood/ womanhood, are the goals of therapy.


9 posted on 04/04/2014 3:49:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: livius

These people have been brain-washed. They MUST be confronted and told the truth over and over again until it finally sinks in. If that doesn’t work they need to be told to STFU!


10 posted on 04/04/2014 3:54:01 AM PDT by ransacked
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To: Alberta's Child

I’m assuming you have proof to back up such a claim?


11 posted on 04/04/2014 4:06:34 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: livius

What the Gay Community doesn’t understand is what they call hate we call love, tough love because we want them to find God.


12 posted on 04/04/2014 4:18:37 AM PDT by dila813
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To: livius

Dittos.


13 posted on 04/04/2014 5:15:38 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: markomalley

This is why I have often stated that the Roman Catholic church in America is in schism.

Either you follow the stated doctrine, or you are not part of the church body. Now there are parishes and dioceses that do, but there are many who do not.

Many of my family members are Catholic. Some view homosexual normalization and abortion as things the church should fight for, and their parishes and dioceses agree. Some view that as disordered and murder, and their parishes agree.

So which is the “real” Catholic church in the USA?


14 posted on 04/04/2014 5:33:06 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: al_c

“I’m assuming you have proof to back up such a claim?”

I don’t have any proof, but my children attend Catholic school. If all the families with “Obama 2012” stickers on their cars and all the people who enroll their children primarily for the sports withdrew their children, there wouldn’t be many students left, and I suspect the school would not last long.

Frankly, I’d be a bit upset if my 14 year old boy was in an assembly where the speaker professed that masturbation would make him gay. I’d like to have those conversations at my house, not at a school assembly.


15 posted on 04/04/2014 6:01:46 AM PDT by GIdget2004
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To: redgolum

“So which is the “real” Catholic church in the USA?”

I have said for years that if my faith was dependent upon the faithfulness of the US bishops, as a group, I would have been an atheist years ago.

Fortunately, there are some faithful bishops, but they are in the minority. Maybe someday...

Honestly, though, I’d rather have our situation tyranny what is going on in much of the German-speaking world right now.


16 posted on 04/04/2014 6:15:03 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley; redgolum

Tyranny=than

Darned auto-correct on this tablet.


17 posted on 04/04/2014 6:16:35 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: livius
I'd guess the reaction would be the same in my area. My experience is that most Catholics send their kids to Catholic schools to keep them away from public school kids. They seem to expect everything else to be the same and they are accommodated in that.

When a local bishop was going around explaining the changes to the Mass, he was amazed that that there was support for it at one venue. It was because it was a school (run by a group of traditional parents not the Diocese). He said at every other school there was opposition because of the lack of “gender inclusive” language.

18 posted on 04/04/2014 6:19:47 AM PDT by Varda
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To: markomalley

speechless here. Prayers continue for Sister Jane Dominic Laurel.


19 posted on 04/04/2014 6:20:42 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: livius
That supposedly Catholic parents in a supposedly Catholic school environment should openly object

I'm not sure the parents are Catholic. If the school is anything like the ones I'm familiar with a good many of the parents are not Catholic and they are sending their kids to the Catholic school for reasons other than a Catholic education.

The Catholic schools are safer than the public schools. They have better discipline and sometimes better sports programs. The Catholic school is usually cheaper than the other private schools.

Many of these parents want all the Catholic school offers without the Catholic education.

20 posted on 04/04/2014 6:27:25 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: al_c

Mine attended Catholic schools all the way through University and yeah I’d say (all but one) were business establishments first and foremost.

The different one was a high school run by faithfilled parents not the Diocese.


21 posted on 04/04/2014 6:28:52 AM PDT by Varda
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To: markomalley
Another sign of the season.

The great apostasy and rebellion is picking up speed and taking territory. Knock it back a step and it comes right back and takes two or three more.

Each day I better understand what my late father meant when watching television he would turn to mom and say "We don't fit any more."

Too bad we can't just fast forward to the happy ending instead of ridin' the storm out.

22 posted on 04/04/2014 6:29:23 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GIdget2004
but my children attend Catholic school. If all the families with “Obama 2012” stickers on their cars ..."

It varies a lot depending on where you live. Never did I see a single Obama sticker in our school's parking lot. Never. I wouldn't want to live where you do.

23 posted on 04/04/2014 6:33:50 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: Salvation

The diocese and school officials are “choosing sides” in the Great Apostasy.


24 posted on 04/04/2014 6:35:20 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: livius

The apologies were a huge mistake.

This nation has fallen because the preachers turned from preaching God’s words to preaching comfortable sermons that never mention sin or its consequences.They don’t even preach much about all the positive benefits of clean living.


25 posted on 04/04/2014 6:46:49 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: markomalley
“They felt like this just wasn’t a good time for the sister to speak again in the diocese,” said Hains.

Yes, this is the time to celebrate evil, not condemn it.. /sarc

26 posted on 04/04/2014 6:50:15 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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To: markomalley; NYer; Salvation

“Parents who sought to defend the priest responsible for the nun’s speaking engagement “were shouted down by other people.” “

Unreal.


27 posted on 04/04/2014 7:05:25 AM PDT by Morgana (Wagglebee please come home we miss you!)
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To: ladyjane
Many of these parents want all the Catholic school offers without the Catholic education.

I suspect vouchers are also a big contributor to Catholic schools becoming more secular-minded. Lots of those kids are not there because of faith but because they can now afford to attend.

28 posted on 04/04/2014 7:14:17 AM PDT by gdani
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To: markomalley

In most part, I agree.

The German State Churches (Lutheran and Catholic) in Austria and Germany are pushing hard to recreate bad old days.

There are a few free churches, but they are in the minority.


29 posted on 04/04/2014 7:22:43 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: markomalley

***for controversial presentation on homosexuality****

Just tell the truth about them. That should repulse anyone from believing sodomites are normal.


30 posted on 04/04/2014 8:01:02 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: redgolum

Quote- So which is the “real” Catholic church in the USA?

The one nancy pelosi, joe biden, the kennedys and the cuomo’s and any other liberal democrat belongs to...

When you can’t discern the church from the secular humanist govt workers in it, time to get rid of the church or the secular humanist govt workers from the church...

These politicians have no choice to make. They get to be on both sides because of wealth and power.and that is the church in the USA.


31 posted on 04/04/2014 8:02:09 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: GIdget2004
That is a CINO school. Catholic in Name Only. No Bambi stickers at our school. Pro life stickers etc. Priests prior to the election spoke from the pulpit about our duty as Catholics to support Pro Life candidates. Did not name names but we got the idea.
As to being upset, if you child is in 9th grade expect to have the topic broached in a Catholic school. According to doctrine masturbation is a sin. Agree making you gay is pushing the envelope but you should have heard what the nuns in the 60’s had to say.
IMO these schools are in sore need of nuns to run the show. Old time D.I. nuns.
32 posted on 04/04/2014 8:05:23 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: prof.h.mandingo

BTTT for the old time nuns!


33 posted on 04/04/2014 9:15:26 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GIdget2004

Quite the opposite where my kids go. Yeah, there are a few Obama voters, but the school is barely scraping by. Very Catholic education ... and challenging as well.

We can’t judge all Catholic schools only by the ones our kids attend(ed).


34 posted on 04/04/2014 9:24:22 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: driftdiver
Will we be having the same discussion about bestiality and pedophilia in 10 years?

Yes, although I still think polygamy may be the next taboo to fall.

35 posted on 04/04/2014 9:42:46 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: delchiante

First of all, you are right.

Second of all, most churches in the US are being coopted to the liberal movement. This has been a decades long crawl, going back to the late 1800’s.

What do we do now?


36 posted on 04/04/2014 10:24:04 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Polygamy is already out. There is no barrier to it now. Go out west and visit some of the smaller towns over run with old school Mormons (bring some friends, they don’t like outsiders).

For instance, Colorado has a huge number of polygamous towns in the smaller counties. The counties can’t do much about it.


37 posted on 04/04/2014 10:25:51 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Sounds pretty darn accurate, to me. But, the truth can be controversial to those who are on the wrong side of it.


38 posted on 04/04/2014 10:29:24 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Beat Lamar! And, if that doesn't work, let's defeat him in the primary.)
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To: redgolum

Polygamy is not yet a protected, celebrated life choice like homosex.


39 posted on 04/04/2014 11:19:03 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Again, go to the mountain west.

It is where homosexual marriage was less than ten years ago.

40 posted on 04/04/2014 11:33:13 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

Worship in spirit and in truth..

And that may mean not being in a church or synagogue...

One of the commands in revelation is to ‘come out of her my people’.

Problem is everybody has a different definition of ‘her’...

I can see a modern worldwide Babylonian system that seeks to unify religion, government and economic systems as the her..

And sadly, America is a major hub for the world government, world economic and with its ‘freedom and liberty’, a major power in the religion of the world, secular humanism..

I have seen the enemy...and it is partly us..

Now try to say that on July 4th, even around here :)

certainly we wouldn’t expect 501c preachers to step out and insult their govt leash holders, even if they believed it..


41 posted on 04/04/2014 12:00:40 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: al_c

Many decades of it, including most of my K-12 education in Catholic schools.


42 posted on 04/04/2014 4:30:55 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: markomalley
Parents who sought to defend the priest responsible for the nun’s speaking engagement “were shouted down by other people.”

Reminded me of this:

But they said, “Stand back!” And they said, “This fellow came to sojourn, and he has become the judge! Now we will deal worse with you than with them.” Then they pressed hard against the man Lot, and drew near to break the door down.
Same spirit, I guess.
43 posted on 04/04/2014 4:43:42 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: redgolum
So which is the “real” Catholic church in the USA?

Not sure what you mean. But your question could confuse non-Catholics. The Sacraments are valid at all Catholic Churches, with some rare exceptions (i.e., not using the correct form and matter).

Any individual, priest, bishop or lay person who rejects dogmatic Church teaching, has left the Church, at least informally.

44 posted on 04/04/2014 4:50:36 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Varda
My experience is that most Catholics send their kids to Catholic schools to keep them away from public school kids. They seem to expect everything else to be the same and they are accommodated in that.

Bingo.

45 posted on 04/04/2014 4:52:32 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; ...

Catholic ping!


46 posted on 04/04/2014 5:06:53 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: markomalley; NYer
Others here have posted this Bible text on FR a number of times already, but it seems to apply to so many additional stories we are encountering these days.    We should all post it everywhere that it applies.

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Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!    Isaiah 5:20

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We all see clearly the great harm president B.O. is doing to our country, and I believe most Catholics here also see the great harm certain U.S. bishops from the USCCB are doing to the Catholic Church, and especially to American Catholics and potential American Catholics, with many of the things that small sub-group of bishops have been and are still doing and saying in recent times, going against clear Church teachings.

We seem powerless to do anything about stopping the damage B.O. is doing to our country, and we also seem powerless to stop the damage that a small group of bishops (the USCCB) are currently doing to our Church and our country.

There must be a better way to band together somehow in order to apply more leverage and targeted pressure in order to stop or curb the great damage that is being done by these people -- both B.O., and the USCCB.

Does anybody have any good ideas about how we, the orthodox Catholic laity and conservative citizens, could counteract these damaging, foolish actions and pronouncements by these bozos, in a much more effective way?    Is there a workable way that we can band together across America in some way in order to go beyond just venting our complaints, and actually effecting positive changes due to strength in numbers, and better-focused efforts?

My own thoughts are that restricting money to them somehow should play a part, but I'm not sure how that could be done effectively beyond individual efforts and decisions, especially for bishops and dioceses across the country from us.

God once told St. Francis of Assisi to "repair His Church", and it may be time again for a whole bunch of Church repairers to step forward and band together, and do some kind of uncomfortable Church repair work today also.

47 posted on 04/04/2014 7:10:27 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Any individual, priest, bishop or lay person who rejects dogmatic Church teaching, has left the Church, at least informally.

And that is my point. The trouble is that right now in Charlotte, they forced the nun out because of her orthodox talk. She is being blasted for stating what the Roman Catholic Church believes on matters of sexuality.
48 posted on 04/06/2014 4:25:15 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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