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Another Papal Scolding
The Remnant Newspaper ^ | April 2, 2014 | Christopher A. Ferrara

Posted on 04/04/2014 8:00:57 PM PDT by ebb tide

Another Papal Scolding

“… they make themselves up like little holy cards, looking up at heaven as they pray, making sure they are seen…"

—Pope Francis, condemning Catholics (again)

When will the Pope's relentless bashing of his own subjects cease? Apparently not as long as he has breath in him and a microphone to speak into.

On April Fool’s day we had another rambling sermon likening Catholics to Pharisees who " go to Mass every Sunday, but better not get mixed up in things – I have faith for my health, I do not feel the need to give it to another… Christians who do not leave space for the grace of God – and the Christian life, the life of these people, consists in having all the paperwork, all the certificates, in order…. Christian hypocrites, like these, only interested in their formalities. It was a Sabbath? No, you cannot do miracles on the Sabbath, the grace of God cannot work on Sabbath days. They close the door to the grace of God. We have so many in the Church, we have many!”

Just who are these caricatures the Pope has in view? In Europe hardly anyone goes to Mass at all outside of traditionalist communities. And just who are these hypocrites who make sure they are seen when they pray? Certainly not like Francis, eh?

The "who am I to judge Pope" is a veritable judgment dispenser, but all the judgments seem to be against Catholics who are at least practicing the Faith. For atheists, “gay people,” the divorced and remarried—essentially the whole sinning world—there is only talk of mercy, combined with condemnations of Catholics who follow Church teaching.

This is as mysterious as it is disturbing.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Prayer
KEYWORDS: francis; hypocrites; photohound
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1 posted on 04/04/2014 8:00:58 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Don't be ridiculous. There is a tendency toward pharisaical behavior in all practicing Christians, even the devout. Mass attendance, prayer life and reading the scriptures are wonderful and essential to preparing ourselves as Christians. But the question is how we put it into practice!? Christ's love must be written on our hearts and reflected in our actions.

The Pope is not targeting conservatives. He is merely asking us to elevate our game, so to speak - to work harder to bring Christ to all, especially those who don't know Christ. So stop being so defensive. Put on Christ. Be Christ to your fellow man.

2 posted on 04/04/2014 8:11:25 PM PDT by CWW (Pray for God's Protection!)
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To: CWW

From “Francis’ Book of Insults”:

“Old maid!”

“Specialist of the Logos!”

“Rosary counter!”

“Functionary!”

“Self-absorbed, Promethean neo-Pelagian!”

“Restorationist!”

“Ideological Christians!”

“Pelagian!”

“Mr and Mrs Whiner!”

“Triumphalist!”

“Rigid Christians!”

“Modern gnostics!”

“Liquid Christian!”

“Superficial Christians!”

“Slaves of superficiality!”

“Museum mummy!”

“Renaissance prince!”

“Airport Bishop!”

“Leprous courtier!”

“Idealogue!”

“Long-faced, mournful funeral Christian!”

“Gnostic!”

“Careerist Bishop!”

“Sourpuss!”

“Authoritarian!”

“Elitist!”

“Querulous and disillusioned pessimist!”

“Sad Christian!”

“Pickled pepper-faced Christian!”

“Children! Afraid to dance! To cry! Afraid of everything!”

“Asker for certainty in all things!”

“Christians allergic to preaching!”

“Closed, sad, trapped Christian who is not a free Christian!”

“Pagan Christian!”

“Little monster!”

“Defeated Christian!”

“Creed-reciting, parrot Christian!”

“Watered-down faith, weak-hoped Christian!”

“Inquisitorial beater!”

“Seminarians who grit their teeth and wait to finish,
follow rules and smile [who] reveal the hypocrisy of clericalism - one of the worst evils!”

“Abstract ideologue!”

“Fundamentalist!”

“Smarmy, idolator priest!”

“Worshiper of the god Narcissus!”

“Vain, butterfly-priest!”

“Priest-wheeler dealer!”

“Priest-tycoon!”

“Religious who have a heart as sour as vinegar!”

“Promoter of the poison of immanence!”

“Those closed in the formality of a prayer that is cold, stingy [who]
might end up as Michal, in the sterility of her formality.”

“Older people nostalgic for structures and customs which are no longer life-giving in today’s world!”

“Young people addicted to fashion!”

“Pastry-Shop Christians!”

“Luscious cakes, sweet dainties. Delectable, but not real Christians!”

“Existential tourist!”

Anesthetised Christian!

“Christian hypocrites only interested in their formalities!”

“They disguise themselves, they disguise themselves as good people: they make themselves up like little holy cards, looking up at heaven as they pray, making sure they are seen—they believe they are more righteous than others, they despise others!”

‘Mah,’ they say, “I’m very Catholic, because my uncle was a great benefactor, my family is this, I’m that… I’ve learned... I know this bishop, this Cardinal, this priest... I am this or that...’ They think they are better than others. This is hypocrisy!”

“Sloth-diseased, acedic Christians!”

“I think of many Christians, of many Catholics: yes, they are Catholics, but without enthusiasm, even embittered!”

“They are people without light – real downers!”

“And how many Christians are like this?” he asked, “selfish, out for themselves.”

“Christians who do not leave space for the grace of God – and the Christian life, the life of these people, consists in having all the paperwork, all the certificates, in order!”


3 posted on 04/04/2014 8:19:19 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

He is talking to people who have all their theological ducks lined up in a row but don’t allow for the Holy Spirit to move them or for them to have compassion on others - why should this surprise you? Jesus saved his most savage criticism for those who should have known better. If the shoe fits take it to heart and do something about it - if not be grateful to God and know there are some who need to hear this message! These sort of message make me take a second look at my motivations - always a good thing to make sure I am doing the right things for the right reasons.

Blessings

Mel


4 posted on 04/04/2014 8:21:08 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: CWW

“There is a tendency toward Pharisaical behavior in all practicing Christians, even the devout.”

So true. The world uses all the foibles of our zeal against us, as if a perfect witness would win them. Jesus WAS perfect and yet the multitudes hardened their hearts against him. We just have to go for it and be misunderstood!


5 posted on 04/04/2014 8:22:03 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: melsec

>>Jesus saved his most savage criticism for those who should have known better.<<

Yes; and that savage criticism was of the Jews. What criticism of Jews has Pope Francis expressed?


6 posted on 04/04/2014 8:28:33 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Uh, Jesus was a Jew and he criticized Jews for not really living their faith. Pope Francis is a Catholic and he is criticizing Catholics.


7 posted on 04/04/2014 8:34:09 PM PDT by tiki
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To: tiki

Are you a Jew or a Catholic? Or does it even make a difference to you?


8 posted on 04/04/2014 8:50:55 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: melsec

>>He is talking to people who have all their theological ducks lined up in a row but don’t allow for the Holy Spirit to move them or for them to have compassion on others - why should this surprise you?<<

What compassion has Pope Francis shown the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate?


9 posted on 04/04/2014 8:55:12 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

You know what was probably the main thing that drove me out of the church? Being scolded by the church in my thirties for believing things that the church taught me when I was growing up, while claiming that “church teaching has never changed.” The latest example - at the local church level - is the turnabout on homosexuality. I eventually said, “Screw that crap.”


10 posted on 04/04/2014 9:28:44 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: ebb tide

Oh, I’ve know a few Catholics of the sort Pope Francis is describing, especially those who consider themselves ‘more Catholic than the Pope’, no matter which Pope it happens to be.


11 posted on 04/04/2014 9:35:02 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Steve_Seattle

What turnabout on homosexuality do you mean? The Church still teaches that homosexual inclination is a disordered state, and that homosexual activity is sinful. It’s a matter of hate the sin, love the sinner. How is that different from what she has ever taught?


12 posted on 04/04/2014 9:37:06 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
"What turnabout on homosexuality do you mean?"

I said "at the local level." I know official doctrine has not changed, but in Catholic colleges and parishes and schools and diocese offices, the sentiment is strongly pro-gay. Haven't you been following the news?
13 posted on 04/04/2014 9:48:10 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle
You know what was probably the main thing that drove me out of the church? Being scolded by the church in my thirties for believing things that the church taught me when I was growing up, while claiming that “church teaching has never changed.”

I've always wondered how the RCC could go from a church that burned people at the stake over minor doctrinal disagreements to the condition it is in today; yet Catholics will state with a straight face that the teachings have never changed.

14 posted on 04/04/2014 9:48:34 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ebb tide
The "who am I to judge Pope" is a veritable judgment dispenser, but all the judgments seem to be against Catholics who are at least practicing the Faith. For atheists, “gay people,” the divorced and remarried—essentially the whole sinning world—there is only talk of mercy, combined with condemnations of Catholics who follow Church teaching.

But he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. And unto whomsoever much is given, of him much shall be required: and to whom they have committed much, of him they will demand the more. Luke 12:48

15 posted on 04/04/2014 10:00:48 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: ebb tide; melsec
What compassion has Pope Francis shown the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate?

That's gonna leave a mark.

16 posted on 04/04/2014 10:03:17 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: ebb tide; melsec
>>Jesus saved his most savage criticism for those who should have known better.<<

Yes; and that savage criticism was of the Jews. What criticism of Jews has Pope Francis expressed?

Jesus' most vociferous condemnations were aimed at the Jewish religious leaders rather than all Jews and they certainly SHOULD have known better. Jesus called them, "the blind leading the blind". Religious leaders are sometimes put on pedestals and looked up to, with everything they say, expecting their "flock" to listen and obey and to never question.

I don't have a dog in this show WRT the new Pope, but I think he is hitting some people in places they aren't used to being hit - especially not by their own top dog - and, like Melsec said, those that NEED to hear it should. Of course, it doesn't hurt any of us to examine our own motives and attitudes and the person we represent when we identify as Christians.

17 posted on 04/04/2014 10:03:45 PM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: ebb tide

Dear me my friend he is being relevant to today and with some of the things he is finding in the Church - Jesus got stuck in to the Jews because they were the ones who had been chosen to carry the message but had chosen religious observances and rites over knowing the truth and being servants to others - now it is the church who is supposed to be carrying the message of salvation to the world but we would rather argue about religious things than follow Our Lord!


18 posted on 04/04/2014 10:05:50 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: tiki

“Uh, Jesus was a Jew and he criticized Jews for not really living their faith. Pope Francis is a Catholic and he is criticizing Catholics.”

Obama is a secular globalist who is always criticizing America.


19 posted on 04/05/2014 12:43:13 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: ebb tide
“… they make themselves up like little holy cards, looking up at heaven as they pray, making sure they are seen…"

To my eyes, in the context of Pope Francis' words and actions, this is comment is clearly directed, as criticism, toward traditional Catholics.

20 posted on 04/05/2014 1:43:26 AM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: ebb tide

Meh.....who am I to judge?


21 posted on 04/05/2014 3:54:39 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: ebb tide

well maybe the Pope was talking to all the rich and corrupt Filipino politicians here who love to get photo ops attending church.

Come to think of it, maybe he’s also talking about Nancy Pelosi...


22 posted on 04/05/2014 4:04:20 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: CWW

Thank-you and God Bless.


23 posted on 04/05/2014 4:16:20 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Kennard

You got it.

What Pope Francis is simply is saying is to the “traditional Catholics” is make a better effort to practice a little more “humility”.


24 posted on 04/05/2014 4:18:30 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ebb tide

It doesn’t make a difference to Francis.


25 posted on 04/05/2014 5:46:02 AM PDT by piusv
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To: ebb tide

My older brother would say if the shoe fits, wear it.

Jesus said to do good works, not just talk about them.

Every day and every where,not just in Church.

While Church is the place to verbally teach the Gospel of Christ, its out in the world that actions really count and will speak the truth.

1 John 3:18
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.


26 posted on 04/05/2014 6:42:22 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: SuziQ

Yes; Cardinal Bergoglio comes to mind when when he criticized Pope Benedict for his Regensburg address.


27 posted on 04/05/2014 9:22:21 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Biggirl; Kennard
What Pope Francis is simply is saying is to the “traditional Catholics” is make a better effort to practice a little more “humility”.

Because everybody knows the biggest problem facing the Church are those haughty traditionalist who are too full of themselves to heed the call to greater laxity.

28 posted on 04/05/2014 10:19:57 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler; Biggirl

Yes, Jeff. BigGirl, along with Francis, think Traditionalists (and by extension Traditional Catholic teaching) are the biggest threat to NewChurch. They threaten the status quo.


29 posted on 04/05/2014 11:13:11 AM PDT by piusv
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To: LadyDoc

Pope Benedict refused to give any photo ops to Pelosi when she visited him.

However, Pope Francis, the camera hound, gave Obama all the photo ops he needs to try to keep a Demoncratic Senate.


30 posted on 04/05/2014 2:22:21 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: LadyDoc

The “humble” Pope Francis is very photo conscious. When he stopped the popemobile to pick up a visiting priest from Argentina, he told the priest, “The picture will go around the world”.

http://thecatholicspirit.com/news/nation-and-world/priest-says-hitching-ride-popemobile-invite-hit-road-god/


31 posted on 04/05/2014 2:31:52 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: piusv

No, it is rather the need and importance of avoiding having a “holier-then-thou” attitude which is not only sinful which can lead to the sin of pride, but also turn others off, and in a very direct way, any Catholics or possible Catholics to having a desire to come into the Church or return to the Church.


32 posted on 04/06/2014 1:34:43 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Pointing out the non-Traditional Catholic views of Francis and Vatican II is not about being holier than thou. It’s about speaking the Truth. If you choose to ignore it, that’s your prerogative. But don’t judge others as “holier than thou” because that is not what it’s about. Not to mention by you judging others as holier than thou you’re actually guilty of doing what you condemn.


33 posted on 04/06/2014 2:36:58 PM PDT by piusv
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To: ebb tide
I'm waiting on the, "with friends like these . . ." statement (or wolves in sheep's clothing, of course).
34 posted on 04/06/2014 3:01:14 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
For all you really know about the situation as opposed to having been propagandized about it, maybe more than they deserved.

How do you keep that beam in your eye, do you prop it on the feet you keep in your mouth?

35 posted on 04/06/2014 3:03:47 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin; ebb tide

Sorry, that was for Herr Ebb Tide.


36 posted on 04/06/2014 3:05:08 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: CWW
"Christ's love must be written on our hearts and reflected in our actions.

Christ's love was to die, literally, on a Cross.

37 posted on 04/06/2014 3:13:21 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: piusv
I"m sorry, but a revolt against a Bishop here and there seems a lot more fruitful than caring what Francis says or doesn't say.

The Catholic Church in this country is about 80% people who are Protestant in all but name or Cafeteria Catholics at best but the Pope is the proper focus instead of local Priests and Bishops?

Pile on the Pope is so, I dunno, so Protest Ant like the crowd in Charlotte who piled on a faithful Nun with no fear of any blow-back from faithful Catholics in their own neck of the woods.

Maybe if the "faithful" didn't have bigger fish to fry in the person of the Pope things would be different down here in the sticks, right?

I don't see it. Sorry. I'm not being snarky, either, I just see a lot of complaints about what people can't do anything about compared to action where they could make a difference.

But then again, I've only been Catholic a few years so maybe it takes a while to catch on. Heck, I wasted good gas money I didn't have to go to Charlotte and complain in person at the Bishops little fiefdom. I should have saved my gas money and burned Francis in effigy, is that it?

38 posted on 04/06/2014 3:20:19 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin; Biggirl

I forgot to ping you in my response to something but I’m catching up from days ago so it may not matter.

Regards


39 posted on 04/06/2014 3:26:45 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
(1) I never said we shouldn't be talking about the Bishops. But let's not fool ourselves. Francis believes and teaches much of what they believe and teach.

(2) Protestants protest what the Catholic Church/Pope teaches versus what they see as Truth. Traditionalists protest what the Pope teaches versus what the Catholic Church has always taught prior to Vatican II. TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.

(3) As for making changes? I don't know. I honestly think that only God can intervene in the Crisis that is the Catholic Church these days. But in the mean time, I'm not going to keep my head in the sand.

40 posted on 04/06/2014 3:32:07 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Rashputin

I don’t understand what you’re babbling about, nor do I care.


41 posted on 04/06/2014 5:31:50 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Steve_Seattle; ClaytonP
You know what was probably the main thing that drove me out of the church? Being scolded by the church in my thirties for believing things that the church taught me when I was growing up, while claiming that “church teaching has never changed.” The latest example - at the local church level - is the turnabout on homosexuality. I eventually said, “[Redacted] that [redacted].”

I've always wondered how the RCC could go from a church that burned people at the stake over minor doctrinal disagreements to the condition it is in today; yet Catholics will state with a straight face that the teachings have never changed.

My sentiments exactly. The Catholic Church is unrecognizable from what it was pre-VII, never mind in the Middle Ages.

"Semper idem" my foot!

42 posted on 04/06/2014 6:02:15 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: ebb tide
“Fundamentalist!”

But all Catholics use that word as an insult.

43 posted on 04/06/2014 6:04:03 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I’m a Catholic; and I don’t use that word as an insult.


44 posted on 04/06/2014 6:53:58 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Rashputin

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


47 posted on 04/06/2014 9:38:31 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

So #41 is chopped liver?


48 posted on 04/06/2014 9:40:23 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin; ebb tide; Jeff Chandler
This is intended primarily for the one primarily addressed, who made the below comment, but addressed to two others for reason I made mention of those names while touching upon comments made. Feel free to skip over or ignore this note, if you not be him;

That reply #41 addressed to you, said;

Which reply itself was to your own comment #36 addressed to ebb tide, which reads;

So we see there was a misplaced comment, do we not? That would allow one to say, as is seen in reply to a comment #36 here; "I don't understand what you are babbling..." ... in their own opinion characterizing the less-than-clear message found there as "babbling", which one can do regardless, for it comments upon a message itself (words being said) rather than more narrowly upon a person.

That said, let us take a look to see if it can be reasonably determined, just what was likely to have been intended for Herr Ebb Tide (as you addressed that person).

The time-stamp given at the your own comment at #35 is 3:05:08 PM.

Right above that, which is again your own comment, at #34 the time stamp there is 3:03:47 PM which is a time difference of 00:01:21 or possibly otherwise expressed as --- one minute, twenty-one seconds. Are you with me so far?

At that less the a minute-and-a-half previous than your own next comment, you had said to another, having addressed (or misaddressed as the case may be) that comment to Jeff Chandler, saying there;

which if is not "getting personal" I'm not sure what, but if the other comment inquired after as to if "chopped liver" if not possibly that (nothing against butchers, mind you) could leave your own, immediately above highlighted comment --- what --- mashed potatoes?

If so, little spoonfuls of those appear to my own eyes (figuratively speaking of course) to have been flung not only around the room as a child sitting in a 'high-chair' may carelessly do, but more like a better aimed flinging that a juvenile might do.

So how about you? Do you like fried liver (with grilled onions) and a side of mashed potatoes (with gravy)?

I do, but lot's of people don't like liver, chopped or no, and I'd prefer to not have it flying around the room, being wasted, unless it's like -- part of the show or something, like part of the entertainment such as at one of those Renaissance-restaurant,live-action dinner theaters, with jousting and damsels (in low-cut peasant blouses, hey!) and plenty of ale to wash it all down.

While we are here at the table talking about food (chopped liver, mashed potatoes, etc.) let us consider that it be quite a lot to ask of anyone in position of moderator of this at times quite contentious 'forum' (sub-forum of FR) absolute or God-like perfection in all which they do. In the vernacular -- "cut them some slack"?

Meaning -- if there is any mistake, let us all freely extend grace, particularly those of us who could otherwise be known as being guilty with a prior, which I'll confess does include myself --- but sitting in on this very forum for years --- I've seen a lot of "food-fights" and know well enough who has long demonstrated tendency towards flinging what.

The innocent act just doesn't fly. Not near as good as them taters' did. Ya' got away with tossing those.

leaving I don't know how many pork chops for the "Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate", that order may be [figuratively] afforded, or if in the end they'll just be told to "eat their peas", which ebb tide's inquiry as to "what much compassion has Francis shown...[them]?" started the ball rolling (if I can shift metaphor -- but if not --- just moosh the 'taters into proper shape?).

But what now appears on our plates as it were -- but indications of there being disputation and disagreement as to that moderator-of-moderators within Roman Catholicism, Francis himself, does or does not do in his [perceived by many or desired by some] own role there, as "moderator"?

Could we leave the more localized RM more out of the public criticism loops, on these pages? On another thread today -- I saw something of the same (but there ---taking it further). That sort of thing can be highly destructive to this forum. Thank you (if you have read this far).

49 posted on 04/07/2014 12:28:48 AM PDT by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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To: Religion Moderator
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50 posted on 04/07/2014 12:29:24 AM PDT by BlueDragon (You can observe a lot just by watching. Yogi Berra)
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