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Syracuse board approves removing crosses from former Catholic church so it can become a mosque
The Deacon's Bench ^ | April 5, 2014 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 04/05/2014 1:52:17 PM PDT by NYer

Details:

A city board on Thursday gave a Muslim group the go-ahead to remove six crosses from the roof and spires of a century-old former Catholic church so the now-vacant Gothic structure can be used as a mosque.

More than 200 people had signed an online petition calling on the Syracuse Landmark Preservation Board to deny an application by North Side Learning Center, the church’s new owner, to remove the crosses and build a six-foot chain-link fence.

Before the vote to allow the church alterations, Chairman Don Radke said the board cannot interfere with a decision that involves religious freedom.

About a dozen people who spoke at the meeting were evenly divided for and against the church conversion, The Post-Standard reported.

Petition-signers, who included some local residents and former church parishioners, had argued that the former Holy Trinity Catholic Church was a neighborhood landmark built by German immigrants 100 years ago and removing the crosses would deface the architecture.

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Syracuse closed the church in 2010 and merged the parish with that of St. John the Baptist because of a declining congregation as population shifted from the city to suburbs. The North Side Learning Center, a nonprofit group that provides literacy programs for immigrants, bought the church and its school and rectory for $150,000 in December.

Read the rest.

The Christian Post is also writing about this.

This seems like common sense to me. Despite its historical significance, the building is no longer a church, and will be used by a non-Christian religion as a house of worship. The same request would be made if it were being converted to a synagogue. (Taking it a step further, a Catholic group taking over a mosque would logically ask to have the star and crescent removed.)

One headline I read said, outrageously: City Permits Muslim Group to Desecrate Catholic Church. This is patently false, and seems an obvious example of anti-Muslim bigotry. It’s no longer a Catholic church, so there is nothing to “desecrate.”


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1 posted on 04/05/2014 1:52:17 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Personally opposed, ping!


2 posted on 04/05/2014 1:52:56 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

I AM an anti-muslim bigot !


3 posted on 04/05/2014 1:55:08 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: NYer

Once you let the building become a mosque, the ball game is over


4 posted on 04/05/2014 1:56:35 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: NYer

I would f’en move


5 posted on 04/05/2014 1:57:53 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: NYer
The North Side Learning Center, a nonprofit group that provides literacy programs for immigrants, bought the church and its school and rectory for $150,000 in December.

I didn't realize that buildings could be had so cheaply in Syracuse. I'd like to know more about this 'northside learning center' non-profit, tho.

6 posted on 04/05/2014 1:59:50 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: NYer

I think this is horrible.

But, I’m afraid, once you close down a parish church and sell it to the highest bidder, it’s up to the new owner what he wants to do with it.

This wouldn’t be happening if our bishops and pastors hadn’t so mismanaged their jobs over the past few decades, bleeding parishioners, losing donations, and closing parishes.

The best thing would either to put these old building on ice, in case there is a renewal, or tear them down. The problem is that the same financial difficulties that forced the closure also force the sale. They are running out of money to maintain the churches that our ancestors sacrificed so much to build.

Sad. But once the Muslims own it, they have a legal right to defile it.


7 posted on 04/05/2014 2:01:01 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: blueplum

I didn’t see that detail. Sounds like maybe the North Side Learning Center convinced the Bishop that they would put the church to good use. And then, after they bought it, they flipped it, and pocketed the difference in prices.

If so, then the diocese ought to sue them for the difference, at least. To teach them a lesson and get a bit of badly needed money for remaining diocesan activities.


8 posted on 04/05/2014 2:04:29 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NYer

The church sold it. End of story.


9 posted on 04/05/2014 2:20:48 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: NYer

“Personally opposed, ping!”

To what?


10 posted on 04/05/2014 2:23:22 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: NYer

It’s always sad to see crosses being removed, but this is different. The building was sold and is being repurposed. It’s up to the new owner what they wish to show on the outside. Perhaps some Christian Churches can buy the crosses to display elsewhere. This is not necessarily another example of Muslim-Creep and encroachment.


11 posted on 04/05/2014 2:27:05 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: NYer

The Churches around the country are being abandoned. In my diocese, the church property is being sold to cover the costs of sexual assault claims.

The Church is falling apart—not from the outside, but from within.

If the Muslims have purchased the property, they have every right to do with it what they wish. The local government has no right to get involved with religious symbolism of any sort.


12 posted on 04/05/2014 2:43:24 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: NYer

How very sad it is. Obam is flooding our country with the followers of A.
You can tell a tree by its fruits. The followers of A are terrorizing, murdering, bombing, killing, and threatening good Christians ( and Jews and Hindus and others) all around the world. Not to mention what they do to women ( and sheep and goats). A is Satan. And his Legions are pouring in here Right now.


13 posted on 04/05/2014 2:46:01 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: lee martell
I agree. Sad, but true. The Church has the right to remove any historic/valuable/sacred artifacts, including altars/carvings/statues/pulpits etc., and the building will be "de-sanctified", or something.

Once the building is sold (circumstances and conditions will vary depending on the city, the "historic landmark" designation, etc.), then it's nothing but a building.

The real tragedy is all the beautiful and fantastic old historic churches that are everywhere...like "century homes", the plain upkeep and maintenance costs can be astronomical. Also for "historic" downtown/city buildings.

It's very sad to see historical and heritage sites keep going down the drain, nevertheless. It's also a little disturbing to me to see a Catholic Church building being converted into a Mosque, but that's just my personal opinion.

14 posted on 04/05/2014 2:47:13 PM PDT by 88keys (broken glass GOP; it matters, replace the Dems. 2014!!)
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To: NYer

Lets all chip in, buy the property around it and make it a pig farm.


15 posted on 04/05/2014 3:02:08 PM PDT by maddog55 (I'd be Pro-Choice if we could abort liberals.)
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To: NYer

If the building is no longer a church, why wouldn’t the crosses be removed regardless of who owns it?


16 posted on 04/05/2014 3:23:52 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
If the building is no longer a church, why wouldn’t the crosses be removed regardless of who owns it?

You just can't shake that private property mentality, can you?


17 posted on 04/05/2014 3:29:28 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is)
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To: NYer
the 6' chainlinked fence, is to corral sheep/goats for "religious" customs/acts.

18 posted on 04/05/2014 3:45:19 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: NYer
I thought the spirit of the Living God lived within the people who calls themselves Christians...

You know "where two or more are gathered in my name"

A church building is a structure...brick and mortar...nothing sacred or holy about it...

It's a piece of property...nothing more...nothing less...

19 posted on 04/05/2014 4:04:19 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: NYer

Ditto


20 posted on 04/05/2014 6:00:56 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: faithhopecharity

Quote-The followers of A are terrorizing, murdering, bombing, killing, and threatening good Christians ( and Jews and Hindus and others) all around the world. Not to mention what they do to women ( and sheep and goats). A is Satan. And his Legions are pouring in here Right now.

Forty years in a ‘christian nation’ we have seen 55 million abortions at the hands of their own mothers; the pornography, Hollywood and the music industries pumping their ‘rights and liberty and freedom’ to the whole world...

Secular humanism is the state religion in America and that has not been considered an ‘enemy’ by enough believers-

it has been proven that no enemy without has done more damage to this nation than the enemy within in at least the last 40 years...


21 posted on 04/05/2014 6:16:12 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: morphing libertarian
Once you let the building become a mosque, the ball game is over

Which ballgame is that? Does it means that God loses?

22 posted on 04/06/2014 3:51:32 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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Uh, it means the crosses will come off the building

You really think the city will approve a mosque and then order them to keep crosses on the building? You’re dreaming.


23 posted on 04/06/2014 3:54:11 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian
Uh, it means the crosses will come off the building You really think the city will approve a mosque and then order them to keep crosses on the building? You’re dreaming.

Now I know what context you were thinking of. Of course the crosses will come off - it was basically decommissioned as a Catholic Church in 2010 and a non-Christian entity bought the unused building from whoever actually had ownership.

I was thinking in the bigger context - God and His Plan are so much bigger than an unused church being sold to "the opposition". God has already won and yet we keep getting distracted from our only useful task - carrying the Good News of the Gospel. Sometimes we get so offended over that which is God's to become offended or not, that we end up spinning our wheels in the muck instead of wading out of it and witnessing to those who might be open to hearing the Word - who wins when we do that?

24 posted on 04/06/2014 5:46:50 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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