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THE GOLDEN RULE IS IN EVERY RELIGION
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Posted on 04/06/2014 1:44:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah

The idea of practicing virtue to help and respect others is not absent from any part of the world. It is a basic law found everywhere. Therefore, no one has an excuse to not follow it. If we ever expect to have peace in the world, this is certainly where we can begin.

The importance of this was well stated by Mohandas Gandhi: "To injure a single human being is to injure those divine powers within us, and thus the harm reaches not only that one human being, but with him the whole world."

This makes it clear that whatever disrespect or harm we show to others (providing they have no criminal intent) is not isolated, but has its effects far and wide, and can do as much inner harm to us as we do to others. In other words, by following the Golden Rule we help ourselves as much as those we meet.

One of the earliest references to the Golden Rule is found in India in the Mahabharata (13th Parva), which states, "This is the sum of all true righteousness--Treat others as thou would’st thyself be treated. Do nothing to thy neighbor, which hereafter thou would’st not have thy neighbor do to thee. In causing pleasure or in giving pain, in doing good or injury to others, in granting or refusing a request, a man obtains a proper rule of action by looking on his neighbor as himself."

The Manu-samhita (2.161) also explains, "Wound not others, do no one injury by thought or deed, utter no word to pain thy fellow creatures."

From the Middle-East, in Judaism we find in the Talmud, "What is hurtful to yourself do not to your fellow man. That is the Torah and the remainder is but commentary. Go learn it." Leviticus (19.17-18) explains, "Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart. . . Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge. . . but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

Similar expressions are found amongst the Christians in Matthew (7.12) and Luke (6.31) which explain, "All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets."

I Thessalonians (5.15) states, "See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men." And Hebrews (13.1) says: "Let brotherly love continue. Be not forgetful to entertain strangers; for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

The most important of all Christian principles is found in Matthew (22.37-40): "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment, and the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

Furthermore, the words of Jesus explain in John (13.34-5): "A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."

From the Orient, in the Analects (15.23) of Confucianism, it states, "Tzu Kung asked saying: Is there any one maxim which ought to be acted upon throughout one’s whole life? The Master replied: Surely the maxim of reciprocity is such: Do not unto others what you would not they should do unto you."

Also in the Analects (6.28) we find, "The man of moral virtue, wishing to stand firm himself, will lend firmness unto others; wishing himself to be enlightened, he will enlighten others. To be able to do to others as we would be done by--this is the true domain of moral virtue."

In the Jain religion we find more references to the Golden Rule. In the Yogashastra (2.20) it states, "In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, regard all creatures as you regard your own self, and do not injure others with that which would injure yourself." Also (2.37), "Viler than unbelievers are those cruel ones who make the law that teaches killing."

In Buddhism, the Udanavarya (5.18) simply states, "Hurt not others with that which pains yourself."

In the Masnavi of Islam it is said, "If every one saw his own faults first, how should he be neglectful of correcting himself. These people are thoughtless as to, and unacquainted with themselves; and consequently they speak of the faults of one another."

So in every part of the world and in every religion there are references relating the need to respect one another and treat others as you would like to be treated. Yet, from this we can see that most religions, or the people in them, cannot even practice what they preach. What a difference there would be in the world if everyone immediately began to practice what they preach from their own doctrine. All the wars around the world that are based on the desire to conquer and convert could end. What a pity that such is not likely to happen. All the more reason to study the above quotations.


TOPICS: Ecumenism; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: goldenrule; religion
Note that Islam has the weakest version. A tenet of Hindu dharma is "jiva daya" which means "kindness to all beings". Without that, there is no meaning to religion. Since God is the Father of all, hurting or harming any creature is an offense to His creation and therefore to Him, according to Hindu scriptures.
1 posted on 04/06/2014 1:44:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
Except the Islam's version is "Do unto others BEFORE they do unto you."
2 posted on 04/06/2014 1:45:19 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; a man who respects it has earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: little jeremiah
Note that Islam has the weakest version. A tenet of Hindu dharma is "jiva daya" which means "kindness to all beings". Without that, there is no meaning to religion. Since God is the Father of all, hurting or harming any creature is an offense to His creation and therefore to Him, according to Hindu scriptures.

I was under the impression that muslins were adhering to the GOLDEN RAIN rule.

3 posted on 04/06/2014 1:51:16 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: little jeremiah

Islam contains a version of the golden rule But it also tells its adherents to seize everybody else’s lands ( by armed or immigrant invasions) and to then subjugate or kill them. Unfortunately, the whole world suffers because this “ later” part of the Koran is so well followed by so many Moslems. The golden rule stuff got superseded in the Islam of all these millions of islamoNazi jihadist terrorists and their even larger population of coreligionist supporters. It avails us not one iota to cite the “ earlier” parts of their book that so many Moslems don’t follow and have no intention of ever following.


4 posted on 04/06/2014 1:52:25 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; little jeremiah; GBA

There’s a moment in The Life of Muhammad in which he picks up a handful of sand and lets the wind blow it whichever way, and he tells his followers, that events are guided by the will of allah, as is the flow of the sand.
Thus it followed when asked about 9/11, a muslim cleric was able to reply, had allah not willed it, he would have prevented the aircraft from striking the towers.

And that’s the golden rule of islam. It also applies when little girls three years old are raped or decapitated.


5 posted on 04/06/2014 1:53:59 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: little jeremiah

Not in Anton LaVey’s Satanism.

“If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.”


6 posted on 04/06/2014 1:54:01 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: “Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?”)
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To: little jeremiah
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." -- John 14:6

Oh Buddha - The Imperials

Well, Old Buddha was a man and I'm sure that he meant well
But I pray for his disciples lest they wind up in hell
And I'm sure that old Mohammed thought he knew the way
But it won't be Hare Krishna we stand before on The Judgment Day.

No, it won't be old Buddha that's sitting on the throne
And it won't be old Mohammed that's calling us Home
And it won't be Hare Krishna that plays that trumpet tune
And we're going to see The Son not Reverend Moon!

Well, I don't hate anybody so please don't take me wrong
But there really is a message *in* this simple song
You see there's only one way Jesus if eternal life is your goal
Meditation of the mind won't save your soul.

No, it won't be old Buddha that's sitting on the throne
And it won't be old Mohammed that's calling us Home
And it won't be Hare Krishna that plays that trumpet tune
And we're going to see The Son, not Reverend Moon!

Well, you can call yourself a Baptist and not be born again
A Presbyterian or a Methodist and still die in your sin
You can even be Charismatic shout and dance and jump a few
But if you hate your brother you wont be one of The Chosen Few.

Cause it won't be a Baptist that's sitting on The Throne
A Presbyterian or a Methodist that's calling us Home
And it won't be a Charismatic that plays that trumpet tune
So let's all just live for Jesus 'cause He's coming back real soon.

7 posted on 04/06/2014 1:54:37 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: Fred Nerks

Or nine month old babies are accused of murder.http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-26887186


8 posted on 04/06/2014 1:59:07 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: little jeremiah

not in Islam it aint


9 posted on 04/06/2014 2:00:06 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: little jeremiah

It just doesn’t happen to be in Christianity...


10 posted on 04/06/2014 2:03:59 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: faithhopecharity

The author does know the real import of Islam, he wrote a book called “Crimes Against India” which was so horrific I could only read 5 pages at a time.


11 posted on 04/06/2014 2:04:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: a fool in paradise

Satanism isn’t a religion, if by religion one means a belief in God. It’s a fake belief system based on lies and evil.


12 posted on 04/06/2014 2:06:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Except the cult religion of the Left.


13 posted on 04/06/2014 2:11:46 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: little jeremiah
Satanism isn’t a religion, if by religion one means a belief in God. It’s a fake belief system based on lies and evil.

I think it's sometimes a mistake to dismiss godless belief systems as being non-religious.

The idea that religion requires a god entity lets leftists get away with imposing their dogma on everyone else by simply refraining from saying "God tells us that...", or "God says..."

A more broad definition of religion would would allow first amendment challenges to leftist's ideological control of public education.

14 posted on 04/06/2014 2:14:49 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: little jeremiah
Furthermore, the words of Jesus explain in John (13.34-5): "A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."
15 posted on 04/06/2014 2:21:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: little jeremiah

I am so confused. Islam?

Is there a golden beheading sword in there somewhere?


16 posted on 04/06/2014 2:24:15 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: freerepublicchat

There are different definitions of the word “religion”. For the purposes of this article, the author obviously means “belief in God”, although Buddhism and Confucianism are not monotheistic, but sort of quasi-religious ethical and moral teachings.

If “belief in anything” means “religion”, obviously this article does not address that definition.


17 posted on 04/06/2014 2:26:06 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: combat_boots

Apparently the author is trying to say that if Moslems at least followed that one little part of the Koran, they’d be nicer. But from other things he’s written, I know that he sees what Islam is.


18 posted on 04/06/2014 2:27:03 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Salvation

I’m not trying to do a comparative religion topic here, I just was sent this article in an email a couple of years ago and thought it a nice time to post it. The author’s point being that even those of various religions, even if not agreeing on many other tenets, all teach some variant of the Golden Rule, and if everyone followed their own teachings in that regard, the world would be infinitely better off.


19 posted on 04/06/2014 2:29:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Rodamala

See my comment above:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3141483/posts?page=17#17


20 posted on 04/06/2014 2:29:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fred Nerks

I think the author really had to strain to find any semblance of the Golden Rule in Islam.

And what little he found is far overweighted by the other 99.99999% of Islam.

One of these days it will be the will of “allah” that Islam is gone from the face of the earth.


21 posted on 04/06/2014 2:35:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
I guess this post is your eloquent answer to the freeper who asked:

I am curious about Hinduism and the Golden Rule. Namely, does Hinduism have anything approaching or similar to a Golden Rule? Or is it more like, ‘Do unto others however you may please—whether bad, good or indifferent, just go for it’?’

Which accusation, phrased as a question, I found extremely offensive, and more applicable to islam than any other belief-system on the planet.

22 posted on 04/06/2014 2:40:03 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

To tell the truth, I was thinking of posting this a long time ago. The little exchange you mention just brought it to the fore.

Jiva daya - “Jiva” meaning “living soul”, and “daya” meaning “kindness” - is the ground of religion, according to Hindu dharma. But it is interesting to note this verse from one of the Puranas, this is memory, not word for word:

“Even saints are happy when poisonous creatures like vipers and scorpions are killed.”

This was in reference to a powerful and evil tyrant king being killed. So even peaceful kind humans are wise, and know that violence sometimes must be meted out to those who are not peaceful, kind or wise.


23 posted on 04/06/2014 2:44:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
“Even saints are happy when poisonous creatures like vipers and scorpions are killed.”

First on my list of those still living, would be the cabal which speculated that at least 25 million Americans would need to be 'eliminated' if they refused to accept the 'revolution'.

24 posted on 04/06/2014 2:49:39 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

Actually in Hindu dharma it’s considered kindness to kill evildoers, because it saves innocents from being harmed any more, and it stops the evildoer from racking up more vikarma - sins - which the evildoer will have to suffer for after death. So putting a stop to evildoing is true kindness to everyone, including the evildoer.

And planning to do evil, is also evil.


25 posted on 04/06/2014 2:55:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
The author’s point being that even those of various religions, even if not agreeing on many other tenets, all teach some variant of the Golden Rule, and if everyone followed their own teachings in that regard, the world would be infinitely better off.

I disagree. The phrase "if everyone followed their own teachings" allows for a diversity of interpretation and is broad. Exodus 20:3 makes it clear: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me.". There are not many paths but only one way. Matthew 7:14 teaches, "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Later, also in Matthew (10:34), Christ states: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

There are moral absolutes and there are warmed over platitudes about the world's religions embracing the Golden Rule. The article leading off this thread just strikes me as another "We Are the World" form of the weak sauce of Kumbaya-ism. If one's faith lacks the cleansing power of Christ's Salvation ("Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."), it's little more than a Rodney King feel-good cliche of "Can we all just get along?".

LJ -- we've had many, many, many fruitful and agreeable discussions here, especially about the evils of sodomy. This is maybe the first time we've taken a different stance on any issue. It's nothing personal, of course, but when it comes to matters involving God, I take the Bible and only the Bible literally. If you will, it's the "howto manual" of my life and, frankly, any other such book or collection (Koran, Bhagavad Gita, Dianetics, Book of Mormon and so on) is just falsehood. All that said, I wish you well and again, to be abundantly clear, nothing personal at all.

26 posted on 04/06/2014 3:05:24 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

I’m fine with your comments; I see absolute truth in a slightly different light, but we’ve all been given free will by God. On another thread I might be willing to discuss various theological differences and similarities, but not on this thread, and not today... and of course, always with respect.

As I know you would do anyway, and I try to.


27 posted on 04/06/2014 3:09:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Thanks so much, I’d hate for our difference to ever come between us. Have a very good rest of the day and evening!


28 posted on 04/06/2014 3:11:22 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex

You too, dear friend.


29 posted on 04/06/2014 3:16:34 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Or, “Conquer the infidels and do whatever you want with them.”


30 posted on 04/06/2014 4:12:01 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: little jeremiah

***Mohandas Gandhi: Peace.***

Every time I hear that name and “Peace” together I remember all those slaughtered innocents in the partition of India.


31 posted on 04/06/2014 4:13:00 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

If Moslems weren’t being typical Moslems, there wouldn’t have been partition or slaughter.


32 posted on 04/06/2014 4:24:51 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
The idea of practicing virtue to help and respect others is not absent from any part of the world. It is a basic law found everywhere.

Nonsense. That couldn't be further from the truth.

33 posted on 04/06/2014 4:45:42 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

If you read the whole article, you’d see that the author says it is not being practiced, though.


34 posted on 04/06/2014 4:46:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Not my point. Islam does NOT teach the golden rule. The entire caste system of India is/was justified on reincarnation and karma from past lives. Atheist societies hold only the morals they wish at the moment they wish.


35 posted on 04/06/2014 4:52:48 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

As I said up the thread at least twice, the author obviously had a hard time finding any thing in the Koran that remotely resembled the Golden Rule. That’s one thing.

The other point you make about India - did you read the quotes from Hindu scriptures at all? And if you’d like to discuss the caste system, I could do that at some point. But like much of Christendom, many Hindus do not understand their own scriptures very well, and therefore, the point of the article:

That IF people whose religions have some version of the Golden Rule - and most do - actually followed that teaching, the world would be a much better place to live.

And then we could peacefully discussion theological points.

And, just for the record, the “caste” system is called in Sanskrit varnashram. And what “caste” or varna a person belonged to was supposed to be determined by personal characteristics and qualities, NOT by birth. It was that way, a long time ago.


36 posted on 04/06/2014 4:57:34 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
We make a serious mistake when we start presuming to tell other people what they do or should believe. Generally it means we are the ones that aren't correctly interpreting.

In this case “others” is generally read as “others like you/us”. That was the entire point of the ‘good Samaritan’ parable, because it breached the “others like you” rule.

Islam clearly teaches that fair treatment only applies to fellow Muslims (maybe) and it instructs the direct persecution of others.

So there was a period in time when caste was determined individually on merit and never by birth? Is that a provable fact or a historical myth?

37 posted on 04/06/2014 5:49:05 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

Historical fact. In the Bhagavad Gita, and with much evidence from the Puranas and the Mahabharat, caste or more accurately varna, is determined solely by quality of the individual. Someone who was born a brahman, for instance, but did not manifest the qualities of a brahman, was called “Brahma-bandhu”; a sort of snide term meaning “friend or relative of a brahman”. Same thing with kshatriyas or warriors. A warrior obviously cannot be born a warrior, he has to prove himself and develop the skills and mentality to be a warrior. And so on. I could quote verses if you want but not at the moment.

To the great shame of India, most people have forgotten this as it has not been taught. Fortunately there has been a renewed interest in the real teachings of Hinduism in the last few decades.


38 posted on 04/06/2014 5:53:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
I'm curious, given how wealth and caste are interrelated, how an untouchable child became a warrior or a merchant, and how many low-life noble children actually found themselves in a low caste.

There is a difference between pointing out caste mobility between castes at comparable social levels and a truly open system.

39 posted on 04/06/2014 6:23:39 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

The brahmans were traditionally often poor, and the ideal was that if they did accumulate wealth, to use it in service of God. If I had time which unfortunately I don’t have tonight, I could cite texts or examples. I could dig some up tomorrow.

I have no idea what you mean by a “truly open system”. Like the US?

An example from recent history, merely 500 years ago. There was a governor of I believe what is now part of the state of Madras. He was born in the sudra varna, which is the lowest of the four; laborers, those who hire themselves to others, and other duties. He became the governor. And then he gave it up to become a sadhu - basically like a monk; which is actually considered “higher” than a brahman. All because of his personal qualities and behavior.


40 posted on 04/06/2014 6:57:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

In the Masnavi of Islam it is said, “Kill thy neighbor as thyself”


41 posted on 04/06/2014 7:00:25 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: little jeremiah

According to the Bible, there are things more important to God than this world being made better. So much evil goes on here that if God’s chief goal was to improve the world He’d have to destroy it and us.

What God’s Word teaches us is that what happens in this world determines what happens in the next. The wheat and tares both grow here, and at the time of Judgment, the wheat will be kept while the tares are cast away.

God’s Word also teaches us that religious actions and good works in themselves mean absolutely nothing to Him. What matter to God is the heart they come from, and its motives. The troubling thing is, though, is that the Bible says our hearts are so evil that we’re deceived to see our motives as pure when they’re not. (Cont’d)


42 posted on 04/06/2014 7:58:34 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: little jeremiah

And while many religions, created by man, have some version of the Golden Rule, that really doesn’t mean what it seems to. The Bible says God put His laws in our hearts, and even more importantly, He created us in His image for the purpose of us to have relationship with Him and each other. If we value others at all, we won’t think we should treat others how we wouldn’t want to be treated.

There are a lot of problems with that, though. People can’t always decide what’s good and bad treatment. For instance, abortion. And then many times they can’t see the situation clearly because humans are both sinners and limited in understanding. We can also lack the moral strength to do right when we want to, or just want something else more. (Cont’d)


43 posted on 04/06/2014 8:08:48 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: little jeremiah

The Bible says that “there is a way that seems right to a man but it leads to death,” and that without God leading us, “every man does what’s right in his own eyes,” which always leads to us going off the right path somewhere.

The Golden Rule in Christianity, then, also requires people to depend on God to find out what’s true and good. He gives us the Bible to teach us, and then His guidance through things like prayer and the words of other believers.

And performing the Golden Rule shouldn’t lead to the chief sin of Satan, pride. Doing right has a great many benefits, and God has suffered long with us to make us able to do good. Giving to charity, if out of pride, can lead to people feeling they have a license to sin a little, convinced God needs them, and they’re so good they don’t need His mercy and forgiveness.


44 posted on 04/06/2014 8:19:29 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: little jeremiah
Note that Islam has the weakest version....

It's not a religion.

45 posted on 04/06/2014 8:23:16 PM PDT by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the Republican Party does not want you.)
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To: Faith Presses On

The story of the Good Samaritan is an example of a person living by the Golden Rule.

The point is that if people around the world, whoever they might be, acted with respect and kindness towards others, (as described in the article), there would be far less mayhem and slaughter going on in the world.

And I don’t think anyone can say that would not be a good thing.

Regarding your point about some people thinking, for instance, that other people should be allowed to have abortions because they want them, that is a good point. There have to be moral absolutes accepted, and since all religions basically have the same moral absolutes*, if people actually followed their scriptures (as faulty as many of them may be in various peoples’ estimations), at least they all hold to the same basic moral absolutes.

*I leave Islam out of this because it is vicious from the get-go.


46 posted on 04/07/2014 9:40:51 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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People consider it a religion; depending on one’s definition. If people as above define religion as “any belief people hold” such as Satanism, leftist doctrine, etc - then Islam would be a “religion”.

If people mean “a belief in God with systematic teachings and practices” then....they claim to believe in God, but their understanding, their book, their traditions and their ongoing history of butchery show that they know nothing about God, and use Islam as a political tool of tyranny and slaughter and conquest. So in that way of looking, it is not a religion.


47 posted on 04/07/2014 9:50:14 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

The only Golden Rule I see being enforced these days is “He who has the gold makes the rules.”


48 posted on 04/07/2014 9:51:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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And that is why everything all over the world is FUBAR.


49 posted on 04/07/2014 9:56:49 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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It's not even necessary to go there.

As we understand religions and political beliefs, Islam is not a religion but a political system wrapped in a fig leaf of religion. Sharia law is incompatible with our constitution.

50 posted on 04/08/2014 6:55:00 AM PDT by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the Republican Party does not want you.)
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