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Pope Francis: Put-Down Artist?
New Oxford Review ^ | April 2014

Posted on 04/06/2014 6:52:21 PM PDT by ebb tide

From the moment Jorge Mario Bergoglio stepped out onto the central balcony of St. Peter’s Basilica and asked the world to “pray for me,” a persistent theme has resounded in the mainstream media. Pope Francis, as the popular narrative would have it, has singlehandedly set a “new tone” for the Church after decades, if not centuries — or millennia! — of crankiness and stagnation. Consider these headlines:

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: francis; insults; popefrancis; romancatholicism
Generally speaking, his [Francis'] language of mercy and compassion has been directed toward “outsiders.” To those inside the sheepfold, however, he’s struck a startlingly different tone. As Catholic writer Michael Brendan Dougherty has observed, “Where Benedict sought to condemn errors in the abstract, Pope Francis makes it personal and attacks tendencies within certain groups of people, usually in highly stylized papal idioms” (The Week, Feb. 11). In fact, Francis has proven himself to be something of an acid-tongued put-down artist. As Dougherty puts it, “Francis is practically an insult comic” — Don Rickles in a white cassock, if you will.
1 posted on 04/06/2014 6:52:21 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

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2 posted on 04/06/2014 7:01:42 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mater et Magistra.)
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To: ebb tide; Mrs. Don-o

There is something I need to say about this. I am not Catholic but that isn’t the problem. It is something else.


3 posted on 04/06/2014 7:16:58 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred; ebb tide; Mrs. Don-o

I am not a Catholic either. I am a Berean. Pope Francis is saying things and demonstrating behaviors that are Word of God as I read it in the Bible.


4 posted on 04/06/2014 7:25:22 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: SubMareener
Pope Francis is saying things

Hmmmm.....but are they for the ears that hear

5 posted on 04/06/2014 7:29:53 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: ebb tide

This pope is to the Catholic church what Obama is to America. They are both out to fundamentally transform their respective realms.

The parallel are uncanny, it’s like they’re using the same playbook. Obama puts down America and her friends (Israel, UK, etc.) while lauding our enemies. According to this article this pope is doing the same as he puts down the catholic church itself and its friends and adherents, while kowtowing to all her detractors and outright enemies.

Boggles the mind.


6 posted on 04/06/2014 7:34:10 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: miele man


7 posted on 04/06/2014 7:40:51 PM PDT by miele man
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To: aquila48
This pope is to the Catholic church what Obama is to America.

I've never seen it that way, but you might be on to something.

8 posted on 04/06/2014 7:47:26 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: aquila48

Do NOT let it boggle your soul.

The Catholic church is singing its death knell.


9 posted on 04/06/2014 7:48:44 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

The Catholic Church is the mystical body of Christ. The gates of hell will not prevail against her.


10 posted on 04/06/2014 7:55:21 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: bigheadfred

The Catholic Church is the only Church we have, the rest are all wild mushrooms of Christianity from the Jeremiah Wrights to the Joel Osteens. They are different species of heretical beliefs.


11 posted on 04/06/2014 8:12:48 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Romulus

YOU just hit the nail on the head.

JESUS CHRIST isn’t mystical.

THERE IT IS!

You just hit the nail on the head.

Jesus Christ isn’t mystical.

And referring to the Catholic church as a her devines your misogynistic belief in gaism aka the holy mary is more devine

the POPE is retracking something and I am listening but it isn’t what you are saying

The schisms in your church reveal much.


12 posted on 04/06/2014 8:16:21 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: ebb tide
Generally speaking, his [Francis'] language of mercy and compassion has been directed toward “outsiders.” To those inside the sheepfold, however, he’s struck a startlingly different tone. As Catholic writer Michael Brendan Dougherty has observed, “Where Benedict sought to condemn errors in the abstract, Pope Francis makes it personal and attacks tendencies within certain groups of people, usually in highly stylized papal idioms” (The Week, Feb. 11). In fact, Francis has proven himself to be something of an acid-tongued put-down artist. As Dougherty puts it, “Francis is practically an insult comic” — Don Rickles in a white cassock, if you will.


13 posted on 04/06/2014 8:21:50 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Steelfish
The Catholic Church is the only Church we have

OK I am not going to disagree.

But I am going to beat you about the face and ears just a bit.

14 posted on 04/06/2014 8:25:05 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Steelfish
The Catholic Church is the only Church we have, the rest are all wild mushrooms of Christianity from the Jeremiah Wrights to the Joel Osteens. They are different species of heretical beliefs.

Depends on what the definition of "we," is.

15 posted on 04/06/2014 9:32:09 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: bigheadfred

You’re going to heck for that.


16 posted on 04/06/2014 9:35:30 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: ebb tide

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17 posted on 04/06/2014 11:13:01 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: bigheadfred

It is a tradition in Catholicism church to refer to the Church in the feminine gender, as she is considered the Bride of Christ. It’s more of a poetic device, I think.

Now, regarding your use of the words “gaism” and “devine”, please tell me what those words mean as I am not familiar with them.


18 posted on 04/07/2014 12:54:23 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Steelfish

wild mushrooms

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Love it.


19 posted on 04/07/2014 12:55:59 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: bigheadfred

Fred

Consider that Jesus had to get his fleshly composition from somewhere

Who did He get it from

Mary


20 posted on 04/07/2014 5:50:46 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: ebb tide
This is a trend which has prevailed in the Church since the Council. The greatest enmity...in fact the only enmity....has been reserved for those who hold fast to tradition. Heretics and modernists have been allowed much greater freedom. The "who am I to judge" mantra is applied selectively and arbitrarily.

While the Pope's verbal assault on persons is a matter of concern, a more worrying issue, at least as far as I'm concerned, is the way he plays around with Gospel passages. He stated that when Jesus rebuked the Apostles, he wasn't really angry. He was just "pretending". He followed that up by pouring cold water on the miracle of the loaves and fishes (the feeding of the 5,000) and said that the real miracle here was one of sharing, not multiplication; i.e. people brought food with them and shared it as a result of prayer.

If a Pope is prepared to twist and trivialize Scripture, there is little doubt that he'll do the same with the Church.

Everything about the past 12 months has been bizarre. From the sudden resignation of BXVI, to lightning striking the dome of St. Peter's on the same day, to Francis' assault on the FMI, to his frequent tongue lashings of traditionalists.

21 posted on 04/07/2014 6:27:26 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: bigheadfred
"And referring to the Catholic church as a her devines your misogynistic belief in gaism aka the holy mary is more devine"

This is in error. The Church may properly be reverred to as "she" because St. Paul says she, the Church, is the Bride of Christ; and St. John (Revelation 12) says she has many offspring:

(verse 17)" And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Hence, Holy Mother the Church.

22 posted on 04/07/2014 8:46:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (.)
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To: marshmallow
If a Pope is prepared to twist and trivialize Scripture, there is little doubt that he'll do the same with the Church.

What's to stop him? People don't seem to understand that his personal opinions and Church teachings aren't one and the same. Remember his comments regarding the Virgin Mary ("Lies! I was cheated")? And regarding the Orthodox - "Orthodox theology is very rich. And I believe that they have great theologians at this moment. Their vision of the Church and of synodality is marvelous.” He is an ecumaniac of the first order, and in that light, his admiration for Cardinal Kasper's theology makes perfect sense. Traditional Catholicism is nothing but an obstacle to his ecumenical vision.

He has no right to "twist and trivialize scripture", yet many believe that because he is the Pope he possesses the authority to promote his own personal interpretations of the Word of God. Many Catholics are clueless regarding the limitations of papal authority and treat every unedifying word out of his mouth as though God Himself were speaking.

He is divisive and harsh to his own flock and unctuous and uncritical towards those who hold the Church in contempt. He apparently enjoys the fawning reaction of the world too much to speak out against atrocities such as the Belgian child euthanasia law. He wants to decentralize the Church and empower the bishops' conferences who are as usual, in bed with national governments. His "book of insults" toward sincere Catholics just keeps growing, and his "humility" is constantly thrust in our faces by his PR people. This papacy is a punishment.

23 posted on 04/07/2014 11:26:02 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: marshmallow
said that the real miracle here was one of sharing, not multiplication; i.e. people brought food with them and shared it as a result of prayer.

Cite?

As for Jesus not being angry, it is possible that he was indeed rebuking forcefully, like a father who rebukes a child for crossing the street without looking. It can be forceful and dramatic without being a reaction to anger. A good parent never disciplines out of anger.

24 posted on 04/07/2014 11:53:44 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Click HERE and HERE for just a couple of reputable reports on this allocution.

As you'll note from one of these reports, he also referred to it as a "parable".

25 posted on 04/07/2014 1:02:36 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: BlatherNaut

Wow! Couldn’t have said it better. Bravo!


26 posted on 04/07/2014 5:58:09 PM PDT by JPX2011
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