Skip to comments.Washington Post: gay marriage is new test for Catholic Church
Posted on 04/07/2014 4:12:10 AM PDT by markomalley
Having worked in Catholic church music ministry for nearly 40 years basically his entire adult life Mike McMahon thought he knew the landscape and his place in it. As a gay person, all was fine as long as he was discreet.
And that worked for him even in the conservative Roman Catholic Diocese of Arlington, Va., where he was employed for about 30 of those years as music director at several parishes. In that time, McMahon, who has three graduate degrees in theology, also served as president of the National Association of Pastoral Musicians, the national body for liturgical music leaders in the Catholic Church.
Then came same-sex marriage, the topic that has roiled traditional religion and rocked the dont ask, dont tell status quo so common in houses of worship and religious schools.
Last summer, McMahon, 62, was fired as music director at St. Agnes Catholic Church in Arlington after news of his marriage reached the pastor, the Rev. Lee Roos
Read on to learn why.
Sodomite propaganda buried in the article ...
I understand that the illness of homosexuality is never going to go away
I have always felt sorry for these poor folks. I don’t think they should be persecuted either mentally or physically. Let them live and do whatever they do behind closed doors.
There lifestyle is an aberration and should be practiced quietly and discretely. It is not to be legitimized with marriage nor openly in media children can watch.
*snort* Good one.
If the Catholic church EVER capitulates to the gay lobby, in even the most minor way, they’ll lose greater than 85% of their flock overnight. The Vatican knows this. They haven’t been around for 2000 years by being flippant and caving to every political wind that blows by them.
Nor has the Papacy bent to popular will. The church stands as a bastion of God against willfull sin. McMahon knew full well he was in violation to basic teachings of the church in which he worked, taught and studied. His hypocrisy was astounding. FWIW he came up in the church at a time when homosexuality was an acceptable practice among the priesthood. Seminaries in the 70’s were rife with queerdom. This was the breath of fresh air some saw as leavening the church. In truth it soured the whole loaf.
This is the point. The Church is not on a witch-hunt to sniff out suspected gays, either those employed by it or just plain parishioners; after all, homosexual acts are just a sin like any other, and who knows if that person who looks or acts "gay" in the opinion of observers (a) isn't committing such sins at all or (b) is repenting if he does and trying to avoid them.
But "gay marriage" is an attack on the Church's legal and moral teaching and a public, formal act that denies Catholic teaching about the sinfulness of homosexuality. So it simply can't be ignored.
Second attack in a row on dogma. Well, Easter is coming. What can you expect except more of the same. It happens every single year.
From this article, his sexual proclivities matter more than the Eucharist. He exchanged the Presence for nothing by joining some gay church.
and if the Catholic Church wants to remain credible, it too will have spoken and never, ever respond to an article like this.
We here in FR have learned how to kill a thread or an idea by ignoring the poster .... unfortunately, the ______________ sometimes wants to take away our fun by deleting it before we get a chance
Those three theological degrees won’t impress Jesus on Judgment Day.
What this has shown is that “Don’t ask, Don’t tell” leads to “You had better celebrate how I have sex otherwise I will destroy you”.
I agree with your post. I would only add that it’s not very charitable to let them “do whatever they do behind closed doors.”
The pastor mentioned here, as well as some Protestants are charitable when homosexuals are confronted with their “illness” (an apt description by the way) instead of just left alone with it. That’s what the devil likes, when we leave people alone to deal with their own cross.
I don’t care for how the Duck Dynasty patriarch (I can’t recall his name right now) put it, but I’d submit he was being more charitable to homosexuals with his words than someone who just has a “live and let live” mentality.
Forget about the fact such people are probably headed to Hell, right NOW they are harming themselves by simply living in an inhuman manner.
Government is attempting to redefine sin and religious belief.
Unmarried sex (fornication) and adultery will no longer be considered “sinful” if big government gets its way.
So much for a separation of church and state.
Smash the patriarchy.
The 68 Red Revolution rolls on.
The church does not ‘think’ as a democracy
The church will never capitulate as its definition is its dogma. When people in the church disagree and change it they are called protestant
This article is... No the headline is meant to disturb. There is nothing in the article that asserts this claim
The church is not challenged. It’s members a persecuted by the culture but the church is in no way challenged
Not at all
I completely agree with Phil Robertson and also in the manner he said what he said this;
Understood. I wasn’t presaging anything, I was stating a fact. The church isn’t that stupid.
Practicing sodomites are not engaging in a sin “just like any other”. There is also something called “church discipline”. Really. All you have to do is read your Bible to find out.
Even secular conservatives are coming to the conclusion that there is no peaceful coexistence with sodomites.
It's been around for a long time. All over the world -- in all denominations.
The Catholic Church has stood staunchly against it.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
I don’t disagree with anything he said and that quite in particular I don’t have any issue with at all. There’s another quote though where he disparaged homosexual activity with, to say the least, salty language. It can’t be repeated in the Religion Forum.
That is what I was referring to in my previous post. There’s charity and then there’s just being crude. The quote I’m talking about is both; I’m just saying the crudity can be eliminated. A graphic description of the act is not needed when condemning it.
Not that everybody else isn't as well. We're all being punished by having this foisted on us.