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Washington Post: gay marriage is new test for Catholic Church
The Deacon's Bench ^ | 4/6/2014 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 04/07/2014 4:12:10 AM PDT by markomalley

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 Having worked in Catholic church music ministry for nearly 40 years — basically his entire adult life — Mike McMahon thought he knew the landscape and his place in it. As a gay person, all was fine as long as he was “discreet.”

And that worked for him even in the conservative Roman Catholic Diocese of Arlington, Va., where he was employed for about 30 of those years as music director at several parishes. In that time, McMahon, who has three graduate degrees in theology, also served as president of the National Association of Pastoral Musicians, the national body for liturgical music leaders in the Catholic Church.

Then came same-sex marriage, the topic that has roiled traditional religion and rocked the “don’t ask, don’t tell” status quo so common in houses of worship and religious schools.

Last summer, McMahon, 62, was fired as music director at St. Agnes Catholic Church in Arlington after news of his marriage reached the pastor, the Rev. Lee Roos…

Read on to learn why.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholicchurch; celebratesin; churchandstate; cultureofcorruption; culturewar; gaynewsrooms; homosexualagenda; pinkjournalism; propaganda; samesexmarriage; sexualrevolution2; waronchristianity; waronreligion

1 posted on 04/07/2014 4:12:10 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
Even as same-sex marriage seems to reflect — or trigger — greater acceptance of gay equality in the overall American public,

Sodomite propaganda buried in the article ...

2 posted on 04/07/2014 4:15:05 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; ...
“The church can’t let a diocesan employee, especially one who has a significant and public role in the liturgy of the Mass, and other ceremonies, to stand in open defiance of church teachings.”

Catholic ping!

3 posted on 04/07/2014 4:26:05 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: markomalley

I understand that the illness of homosexuality is never going to go away
I have always felt sorry for these poor folks. I don’t think they should be persecuted either mentally or physically. Let them live and do whatever they do behind closed doors.

But

There lifestyle is an aberration and should be practiced quietly and discretely. It is not to be legitimized with marriage nor openly in media children can watch.


4 posted on 04/07/2014 4:30:12 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: markomalley

*snort* Good one.

If the Catholic church EVER capitulates to the gay lobby, in even the most minor way, they’ll lose greater than 85% of their flock overnight. The Vatican knows this. They haven’t been around for 2000 years by being flippant and caving to every political wind that blows by them.


5 posted on 04/07/2014 4:39:34 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

Nor has the Papacy bent to popular will. The church stands as a bastion of God against willfull sin. McMahon knew full well he was in violation to basic teachings of the church in which he worked, taught and studied. His hypocrisy was astounding. FWIW he came up in the church at a time when homosexuality was an acceptable practice among the priesthood. Seminaries in the 70’s were rife with queerdom. This was the breath of fresh air some saw as leavening the church. In truth it soured the whole loaf.


6 posted on 04/07/2014 4:48:30 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: markomalley
“This public act is unmistakable and verifiable and serves to cause scandal in the church and confusion among the laity,” said Michael Donohue, the spokesman. “The church can’t let a diocesan employee, especially one who has a significant and public role in the liturgy of the Mass, and other ceremonies, to stand in open defiance of church teachings.”

This is the point. The Church is not on a witch-hunt to sniff out suspected gays, either those employed by it or just plain parishioners; after all, homosexual acts are just a sin like any other, and who knows if that person who looks or acts "gay" in the opinion of observers (a) isn't committing such sins at all or (b) is repenting if he does and trying to avoid them.

But "gay marriage" is an attack on the Church's legal and moral teaching and a public, formal act that denies Catholic teaching about the sinfulness of homosexuality. So it simply can't be ignored.

7 posted on 04/07/2014 4:48:35 AM PDT by livius
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To: markomalley

Second attack in a row on dogma. Well, Easter is coming. What can you expect except more of the same. It happens every single year.

From this article, his sexual proclivities matter more than the Eucharist. He exchanged the Presence for nothing by joining some gay church.


8 posted on 04/07/2014 5:03:41 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: markomalley
As Mammy Yokum so eloquently stated, "Ah has SPOKEN !"

and if the Catholic Church wants to remain credible, it too will have spoken and never, ever respond to an article like this.

We here in FR have learned how to kill a thread or an idea by ignoring the poster .... unfortunately, the ______________ sometimes wants to take away our fun by deleting it before we get a chance

9 posted on 04/07/2014 5:10:21 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: markomalley

Those three theological degrees won’t impress Jesus on Judgment Day.


10 posted on 04/07/2014 5:19:55 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: markomalley

What this has shown is that “Don’t ask, Don’t tell” leads to “You had better celebrate how I have sex otherwise I will destroy you”.


11 posted on 04/07/2014 5:25:06 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Vaquero

I agree with your post. I would only add that it’s not very charitable to let them “do whatever they do behind closed doors.”

The pastor mentioned here, as well as some Protestants are charitable when homosexuals are confronted with their “illness” (an apt description by the way) instead of just left alone with it. That’s what the devil likes, when we leave people alone to deal with their own cross.

I don’t care for how the Duck Dynasty patriarch (I can’t recall his name right now) put it, but I’d submit he was being more charitable to homosexuals with his words than someone who just has a “live and let live” mentality.

Forget about the fact such people are probably headed to Hell, right NOW they are harming themselves by simply living in an inhuman manner.


12 posted on 04/07/2014 6:12:23 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: markomalley

Government is attempting to redefine sin and religious belief.

Unmarried sex (fornication) and adultery will no longer be considered “sinful” if big government gets its way.

So much for a separation of church and state.

Smash the patriarchy.

The 68 Red Revolution rolls on.


13 posted on 04/07/2014 6:22:20 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: “Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?”)
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To: rarestia

The church does not ‘think’ as a democracy

The church will never capitulate as its definition is its dogma. When people in the church disagree and change it they are called protestant

This article is... No the headline is meant to disturb. There is nothing in the article that asserts this claim

The church is not challenged. It’s members a persecuted by the culture but the church is in no way challenged

Not at all


14 posted on 04/07/2014 6:48:41 AM PDT by stanne
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To: FourtySeven
I don’t care for how the Duck Dynasty patriarch (I can’t recall his name right now) put it...

I completely agree with Phil Robertson and also in the manner he said what he said this;

15 posted on 04/07/2014 6:59:41 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: stanne

Understood. I wasn’t presaging anything, I was stating a fact. The church isn’t that stupid.


16 posted on 04/07/2014 7:05:22 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: livius

Practicing sodomites are not engaging in a sin “just like any other”. There is also something called “church discipline”. Really. All you have to do is read your Bible to find out.

Even secular conservatives are coming to the conclusion that there is no peaceful coexistence with sodomites.


17 posted on 04/07/2014 7:08:11 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: markomalley
New??

It's been around for a long time. All over the world -- in all denominations.

The Catholic Church has stood staunchly against it.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.


18 posted on 04/07/2014 7:11:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Last Dakotan

I don’t disagree with anything he said and that quite in particular I don’t have any issue with at all. There’s another quote though where he disparaged homosexual activity with, to say the least, salty language. It can’t be repeated in the Religion Forum.

That is what I was referring to in my previous post. There’s charity and then there’s just being crude. The quote I’m talking about is both; I’m just saying the crudity can be eliminated. A graphic description of the act is not needed when condemning it.


19 posted on 04/07/2014 7:34:44 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: markomalley
Watch 'em cave.

Not that everybody else isn't as well. We're all being punished by having this foisted on us.

20 posted on 04/07/2014 7:42:43 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: NorthMountain

What was the purpose of this article in the Washington Post? Does anyone have any idea?


21 posted on 04/07/2014 8:08:05 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: markomalley

Then came same-sex marriage, the topic that has roiled traditional religion and rocked the “don’t ask, don’t tell” status quo so common in houses of worship and religious schools.

...all together now...three cheers for the ‘ spirit of Vatican II’...


22 posted on 04/07/2014 8:19:26 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: rarestia

They haven’t been around for 2000 years by being flippant and caving to every political wind that blows by them.

...as evidenced, I take it, from Roncalli’s call for ecumenical council, for the purposes of adressing ‘the modern world’...


23 posted on 04/07/2014 8:24:14 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Louis Foxwell

The church stands as a bastion of God against willfull sin.

FWIW he came up in the church at a time when homosexuality was an acceptable practice among the priesthood.

...please reconcile these two statements, which you used in the same paragraph...


24 posted on 04/07/2014 8:28:06 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: markomalley

When the Catholic Church decides doctrine based on popular vote, the gates of hell will prevail.


25 posted on 04/07/2014 8:31:27 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: FourtySeven

Phil Robertson, and all he said was that it is sin. Hate the sin. love the sinner. Not a thing wrong with what he said. It needed saying. Still does.


26 posted on 04/07/2014 8:37:21 AM PDT by tioga
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To: FourtySeven

I believe that There are born homosexuals and those who had it trust upon them by the liberal sickness.

There are some people who no matter what you do will be that way.
It is those people I wish for them to find peace, just don’t proselytize the young and I won’t try to turn them. Make it there dirty little secret, and keep it secret.


27 posted on 04/07/2014 9:07:17 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: FourtySeven
THAT IS

....who had it thrust upon them

28 posted on 04/07/2014 9:13:09 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Quote - understand that the illness of homosexuality is never going to go away
I have always felt sorry for these poor folks. I don’t think they should be persecuted either mentally or physically. Let them live and do whatever they do behind closed doors.

Revelation 21:7-8
King James Version (KJV)
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

‘Behind closed doors’ doesn’t save them...it destroys them.... homosexuality can be overcome.. all sin and abomination can be..


29 posted on 04/07/2014 9:27:07 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante

I don’t agree. I believe in live and let live just as long as they don’t rub their perversions in me or my families faces.

You know sometime you know when they are kids that they will grow up different. It’s a cruel joke on them but its real.


30 posted on 04/07/2014 10:11:06 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: markomalley

This is not a “new” test. It’s simply a very old temptation fostered by the fallen LIAR.


31 posted on 04/07/2014 10:26:10 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: windsorknot

When the Catholic Church decides doctrine based on popular vote, the gates of hell will prevail.

__________________________

That will never happen.


32 posted on 04/07/2014 10:27:35 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: achilles2000

Homosexual acts are a sin, and therefore can be repented of, renounced, etc. My point was that the claim that the Church is running around hunting down and persecuting homosexuals is ridiculous, since unless they are committing the sin (which is not simply living with a person of the same sex, but having sexual relations with that person), the Church is not involved. Even a person who for one reason or another is inclined or thinks he is inclined to be attracted to the persons of the same sex, as long as he resists and doesn’t do anything about it, hasn’t committed a sin. I don’t think homosexuality is innate, but people may have been emotionally conditioned through bad childhood experiences or one thing or another to avoid the opposite sex and thus will have trouble forming healthy relationships.

However, if that person decides to identify and define himself as “gay” and therefore claim that this supposed “sexual identity” trumps Christian teachings, he’s essentially prepared his will to accept sin and in fact to deny that it even is sin. It’s this “gay identity” that he thinks permits him to engage in the logical impossibility of “same-sex marriage” as well as to violate all of the Church’s other teachings on sex and chastity. So the Church has got to be very firm against this, and I think that people in authority have not been very clear about this.


33 posted on 04/07/2014 11:05:21 AM PDT by livius
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To: markomalley

Looks as if they gave him the bum rush.


34 posted on 04/07/2014 11:40:55 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: FourtySeven
A graphic description of the act is not needed when condemning it.

I disagree.

By allowing the Left to sugar-coat it with euphemisms such as "marriage equality", and "gay marriage" and "love", we enable the brainwashing of the common folk, who know in their hearts that a man masturbating inside another man's $4!7hole is not a marital act.

35 posted on 04/07/2014 11:46:28 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: markomalley

I guarantee you that Catholic gay marriage will never, ever happen. These folks are feeling their oats after so many recent victories. They think they have the whole world with them in everything that they want. In this frame of mind, they will inevitably push their agenda further than it can go.

The refusal of the Catholic church at this point will be fuel for the entire anti-Christian movement, but we knew this would happen eventually, maybe not so fast.


36 posted on 04/07/2014 11:48:48 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

I wonder if it will not end up like the abortion issue, with the Church firmly against it and many Catholics, especially high profile Catholic people supporting it. I don’t see Nancy Pelosi and other Catholic’s that support abortion being corrected in any way. Nancy supports gay marriage as well.


37 posted on 04/07/2014 11:53:04 AM PDT by Tammy8
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To: Tammy8

Yes, of course, and there will also be breakaway “Catholic” churches allowing these ceremonies.

Thank G-d for eternal things. I feel these days like I am living in a shredded culture, like a pillow fight gone on until the pillows burst. But amid the feathers, we have one another and the Lord.


38 posted on 04/07/2014 12:13:55 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: markomalley

Mike, getting married isn’t making-the-beast-in-church-during-Mass indiscreet, but it’s still kind of hard to hide for very long.


39 posted on 04/07/2014 1:19:02 PM PDT by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

The purpose of this Washington comPost piece was to demonstrate that the big, bad, nathty meanies in the backwards, superstitious, never-to-be-sufficiently besmirched Roman Cafflick Church are (yet again) oppressing the poor, downtrodden, victimized gay people who must therefore have Big Brother Government step in and quash those filthy Cafflicks ...

Or something like that.


40 posted on 04/07/2014 1:57:07 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Vaquero

Secular humanists live and let live..

1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

Can’t do anything to help them if they do it in secret.. but if folks are open with it (and marriage is public nowadays) , scripture tells a different story.. and more than once...

Sin is not a live and let live proposition with God or God’s people if they are truly a part of His Body...

Church should be a place for people to get help and support, not enabling.


41 posted on 04/07/2014 2:06:30 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante
Can’t do anything to help them if they do it in secret.. but if folks are open with it (and marriage is public nowadays) , scripture tells a different story.. and more than once...

Agreed....they should shut up and if they must just don't be proud of it in public. It is a disgrace but it is their disgrace.

Go back into the closet and stay away from our kids.

Though if people break down their doors and drag them out because of whatever they do in private, I back their right to their privacy.

42 posted on 04/07/2014 2:17:21 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: firebrand

I guarantee you that Catholic gay marriage will never, ever happen.

...come now, you are in no position to guarantee any such thing...many things that people in the past had thought were non negotiable have fallen by the wayside...


43 posted on 04/07/2014 2:57:04 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: livius

I agree with you.


44 posted on 04/07/2014 3:51:48 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: markomalley
I wonder--at one point does Obama direct the IRS to go after churches which refuse to participate in same-sex "marriage" ceremonies, by taking away their tax-exempt status?

Probably not before the Nov. 2014 elections...but they must have thought of that as a weapon.

45 posted on 04/07/2014 3:58:05 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: rarestia

Why not? The embracing of liberalism has worked out so well for the Episcopal and Anglican churches./Sarc with a capital S.


46 posted on 04/07/2014 4:17:58 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: markomalley

Homosexuals have yet to change the definition of “abomination”.


47 posted on 04/08/2014 6:47:38 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: markomalley

well, that explains the “we’re wonderful so let’s praise ourselves” music at mass.


48 posted on 04/10/2014 2:33:59 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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