Posted on 04/09/2014 2:23:40 PM PDT by NYer
Ping!
It was not “Palestine” in 26-36 AD.
Thanks for the link, NYer. Saved it off for this site.
A question or point of discussion for any Christian historian out there -
I read Bill O’Reilly’s and Martin Dugard’s book - Killing Jesus. It had a section of what had happened to many of the players, including Pontius Pilate.
A couple of stories said Pilate fell out of favor with Rome and was forced to kill himself. One, however, said Pilate and his wife Claudia later converted to Christianity and were martyred.
Hear anymore about this last scenario?
Since Pontius was a pilot, what type of airplane did he fly?
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Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
The folks who defend Christian iconography as not being a violation of the commandments really need to read some of these historical accounts. There was really not much “wiggle room” for the Jews when it came to images.
what do you mean?
“What is truth?” John 18:38
Wrong type of pilot. He was a boat pilot taking galleys up and down the Tiber River.
Thank You!
Well, whenever a debate crops up around here about that topic, there are always some who claim that the scope of the commandment against images was very narrow. However, if you read historical accounts, like this one with the story of the Roman standards, it is clear that in ancient times it was really not viewed that way.
He was an “O.G.” (Original Gondolier)
Where there is greatness, great government or power, even great feeling or compassion, error also is great. We progress and mature by fault.... Perfect freedom has no existence. A grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome.... But when I go up those stairs I become the hand of Caesar, ready to crush all those who challenge his authority. There are too many small men of envy and ambition who try to disrupt the government of Rome.
FWIW, I came across the following:
The Mystery of Pilate's End
Pontius Pilate is known to have been a Roman governor of Judaea from about A.D. 26-36, which is a long tenure for a post that normally lasted only 1-3 years. Maier uses this observation to support his concept of Pilate as a less than awful prefect (Praefectus Iudaeae). Pilate was recalled after he was said to have slaughtered thousands of Samaritan pilgrims (one of the four incidents of maladministration). Pilate's fate would have been decided under Caligula, since Tiberius died before Pilate reached Rome. We don't really know what happened to Pontius Pilate -- other than that he was not reinstated in Judaea. Maier thinks Caligula used the same clemency he used for others accused under Tiberius of treason, although popular versions of what happened to Pilate are that he was sent into exile and committed suicide or that he committed suicide and his body was tossed in the Tiber. Maier says Eusebius (4th century) and Orosius (5th century) are the earliest sources for the idea that Pontius Pilate took his own life. Philo, who was a contemporary of Pontius Pilate, does not mention a punishment under Caligula or suicide.
Thanks for the reply and the research. :)
Also, the Jews worshipped a God who had not yet revealed himself in visible form. We worship a God who has made himself known visibly in Jesus Christ; who is, as Col 1:15 says, the "image (Gr eikon) of the invisible God".
“Those Roman standards weren’t just images; they were idols to Caesar (worshipped as a “god” remember) and treated as such.”
See, it sounds like you are taking the narrow interpretation I was talking about, but it is incorrect. The historical accounts, and the archaeological record do not agree with it. Anywhere else we look in the near east, there are statues and idols aplenty to be found if you just dig around a bit. In Israel, it’s a different story. We do find some pagan idols, but beyond that, there are no idols, monuments, or public works with statuary adornment to be found.
What we do find are inscriptions, mosaics, paintings, and some shallow reliefs, but not sculptures and standing images, which agrees quite well with the literal reading of the Biblical account.
“Also, the Jews worshipped a God who had not yet revealed himself in visible form. We worship a God who has made himself known visibly in Jesus Christ; who is, as Col 1:15 says, the “image (Gr eikon) of the invisible God”.”
Yet, we still do not know what even that visible form of God looked like with any certainty, and furthermore, the prohibitions from the Bible do not allow any exceptions for making images of things even if you do know what they look like.
Thanks for the ping.
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