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Just in Time for Easter: Proof that Jesus was Married
Creative Minority Report ^ | April 10, 2014 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on 04/10/2014 8:26:11 PM PDT by NYer

Finally!

Hey, you know I was thinking that it was almost Easter and there hasn't been some shocking new revelation that Jesus wasn't real or he was real but was actually just a plumber from Poughkeepsie (which oddly enough was the name of a small town in Israel.) ((Not really))

So a new study has come out saying that the proof that Jesus had a wife is kinda' old. Yeah, that's actually what the study said. A piece a parchment supposedly says "Jesus said to them my wife." That's old news. But the new news is that the parchment is really old.

Some are calling it the "Gospel of Jesus' Wife." And by "some" I mean people who don't actually believe in the actual gospels.

In 2012, the discovery of a tattered papyrus fragment rocked the biblical studies community after some alleged its text proved that Jesus was married.

Now tests show the fragment is not only likely legit — it's also superold.

The controversial fragment known as the "Gospel of Jesus's Wife" dates to between the sixth and ninth centuries, and could possibly date back as early as the second to fourth centuries, according to a newly published study in the Harvard Theological Review.

The fragment, which contains the words, "Jesus said to them, my wife," first came to light several years ago. Harvard University Divinity Professor Karen L. King, who announced the fragment's existence at a conference in 2012, was quick to point out that the fragment does not prove that Jesus had a wife.

"The main topic of the fragment is to affirm that women who are mothers and wives can be disciples of Jesus — a topic that was hotly debated in early Christianity as celibate virginity increasingly became highly valued," King said in a statement...

Not everyone agrees that the document is legitimate. Brown University professor Leo Depuydt wrote a rebuttal to the findings in which he calls out "gross grammatical errors." He said the fragment is so clearly a phony that it "seems ripe for a Monty Python sketch."

In an interview with the Boston Globe, King said, “I’m basically hoping that we can move past the issue of forgery to questions about the significance of this fragment for the history of Christianity, for thinking about questions like, ‘Why does Jesus being married, or not, even matter? Why is it that people had such an incredible reaction to this?’ "
Isn't it funny how she wants to move beyond the forgery questions and move on to the topic of women priests and priests getting married. Hmmm.


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1 posted on 04/10/2014 8:26:11 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping


2 posted on 04/10/2014 8:26:33 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

“Have you ever picked your feet in Poughkeepsie?”
Brother Popeye Doyle


3 posted on 04/10/2014 8:28:09 PM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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To: NYer

*facepalm* don’t these people ever give up?


4 posted on 04/10/2014 8:28:31 PM PDT by cardinal4
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To: NYer
1) I found an old book.
2) It's really old, so everything in it is guaranteed to be true.
3) You may have an old book which disagrees with my old book, but my old book is new -- I mean, we just found mine. So mine is better.
4) Therefore ... all of the tenets of your religion are invalid and should be overthrown.
5) For the children.
5 posted on 04/10/2014 8:28:56 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: NYer

Well, the proof was that it wasn’t a forgery. Whether or not what is written is to be believed is another matter. Not saying it is or isn’t true (what is written) but that is an important distinction.


6 posted on 04/10/2014 8:29:29 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: NYer

Harvard Divinity Professor?? who cares!

Harvard aint what it used to be ..IN SPADES!!


7 posted on 04/10/2014 8:29:42 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ..Benghazi Clinton Alert)
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To: NYer

Was it Morgan Fairchild?


8 posted on 04/10/2014 8:32:22 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: NYer
John 8:44

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

9 posted on 04/10/2014 8:32:24 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: NYer

Proof that stupid people will believe anything


10 posted on 04/10/2014 8:34:03 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: NYer

The timing is rather dubious, as is everything else about this nonsense.


11 posted on 04/10/2014 8:34:54 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: NYer

As if there could not be really old blasphemies


12 posted on 04/10/2014 8:34:58 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
You have a profound understanding of these things.

My compliments.

13 posted on 04/10/2014 8:35:00 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: NYer

Just for fun. Pretend for a minute we find real proof he was married. ( like he would have been expected to be, in that place and time and especially Given his role). Just pretend. Now, what difference would that make? Just asking. I can’t see any big negative. And it would help reinforce the institution of marriage today. But maybe I’m overlooking something? Thanks.


14 posted on 04/10/2014 8:35:29 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: NYer
Yes, Jesus was married - to His Church.
He is her Bridegroom.

15 posted on 04/10/2014 8:36:25 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: NYer

Oh goody. More nonsense from the so called scholars. A document that is way more recent than any of the gospels and at best dodgy


16 posted on 04/10/2014 8:36:27 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: ClearCase_guy

nicely played


17 posted on 04/10/2014 8:37:04 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

but...but Its TATTERED PAPYRUS....../s Authentic Tattered PAPYRUS.../s


18 posted on 04/10/2014 8:37:31 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ..Benghazi Clinton Alert)
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To: NYer

The Church is the Bride of Christ.

So yes, Jesus has a “wife”

BTW was this fragment in English?


19 posted on 04/10/2014 8:39:08 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: NYer

Well, if you are going to be a Torah observant rabbi you are going to be married.


20 posted on 04/10/2014 8:39:36 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: NYer

Just proof that Dan Brown’s ancestor was also a fiction writer. :)


21 posted on 04/10/2014 8:40:35 PM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: Slyfox
Yes, Jesus was married - to His Church.

Well, to be more accurate, He's engaged; the marriage supper hasn't happened yet, but it will.

23 posted on 04/10/2014 8:44:44 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: NYer

Jesus was married to Peter, no doubt.

This message has been approved for posting by OKCupid.


24 posted on 04/10/2014 8:45:34 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: faithhopecharity
Just for fun. Pretend for a minute we find real proof he was married. ( like he would have been expected to be, in that place and time and especially Given his role). Just pretend. Now, what difference would that make? Just asking. I can’t see any big negative.

Big difference, Dude. As the only sinless man to have ever walked the earth, Jesus was not subject to the lusts and temptations of mankind. He came to be a living witness to God, to fulfill the law, and to die for all sins.

Were he to have married and had children then this would have been the life of an ordinary man, not God in flesh. And our faith would be a lie.

Incidentally, you might recall that the "Jesus married" notion is exactly the hidden secret revealed at the end of Dan Brown's bestseller, "The DaVinci Code."

25 posted on 04/10/2014 8:51:34 PM PDT by tom h
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To: NYer

What difference, at this point, does it make? There are 1+ billion of his followers, and do we really care if he was married or not? Did he have kids too? If so, there is some real royal blood flowing through the veins of earth’s population.


26 posted on 04/10/2014 8:52:42 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (2016 an election or a coronation of a Queen?)
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To: NYer

I thought he was gay - it gets so confusing....


27 posted on 04/10/2014 8:53:30 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: NYer
No ... you have it all wrong.

Only jokes could be this ancient;

And Jesus said, "Take my wife..."

28 posted on 04/10/2014 8:56:03 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: tom h

Thanks. But I’m not quite sure. There is absolutely no sin in being married and having children. Indeed, it’s part of the divine plan for us. And it’s one if the very first commandments to be fruitful and multiply. Many would argue that there is a sin of not obeying the above, and both the Church and Judaism teach the centrality and sacred nature of marriage and family life. . And at the very least, since Jesus came as a human, his being married would have served as a good example for us. I’m listening and not arguing just trying to understand better is all. Thanks.


29 posted on 04/10/2014 9:02:36 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: chajin

You are right. Thanks for the clarification.


30 posted on 04/10/2014 9:03:40 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: NYer

The book of Thomas, the book of Mary, and other gnostics were old too. The koran is old too.

And I don’t have a bit of use for any of them.


31 posted on 04/10/2014 9:17:18 PM PDT by boycott
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To: NYer

Had a nice young Jewish man of that time NOT been married, it would have been unusual enough to be noteworthy.


32 posted on 04/10/2014 9:17:34 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: NYer
In 2012, the discovery of a tattered papyrus fragment rocked the biblical studies community after some alleged its text proved that Jesus was married.

Proves? No. I would say, strongly suggests.

33 posted on 04/10/2014 9:18:48 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: NYer

:) Please put me back on your ping list.Thank you.


34 posted on 04/10/2014 9:19:21 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: faithhopecharity
Pretend for a minute we find real proof he was married. ( like he would have been expected to be, in that place and time and especially Given his role). Just pretend. Now, what difference would that make?

None whatsoever.

35 posted on 04/10/2014 9:21:16 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: NYer
“I’m basically hoping that we can move past the issue of forgery to questions about the significance of this fragment for the history of Christianity."

So ... fake but accurate, part deux?

36 posted on 04/10/2014 9:21:33 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: NYer

Harvard Divinity Professor. Why does Harvard need a professor of candy?


37 posted on 04/10/2014 9:23:49 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: NYer
Over seventy different "gospels" including a supposed "Gospel of Jesus Christ" were considered by the early Church and rejected as non-canonical. All of those books also were "old." All of those books also were wrong.

Heretical beliefs have been rejected since the very beginning of Christianity. Only a modern "scholar" could be confused into thinking that heresy has some special significance by dint of age.

38 posted on 04/10/2014 9:28:08 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: tom h
Were he to have married and had children then this would have been the life of an ordinary man, not God in flesh.

Unless...

Ordinary men and women are simply the embodiment of God, as Jesus was, and he is more the Great Example than the Great Exception.

He came to be a living witness to God, to fulfill the law

And no other human being ever could do that? Are we not witnesses to God every moment?

If God is Omnipotent, then is God not Infinite? Otherwise, there would necessarily be a limit on God's power.

Now if God is Infinite, then mustn't God be boundless? So how could anyone or anything be "not of God" or outside that which is Infinite? And how could there be anywhere God is not, including inside you and me?

Does that not make us "the image and likeness of God" in a very literal sense?

39 posted on 04/10/2014 9:28:28 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Was Saul of Tarsus married?


40 posted on 04/10/2014 9:30:15 PM PDT by Argus
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To: faithhopecharity

Well I see you got a few answers-Ha:)To pretend that Our lord was married.Hummmm.You might be thinking in human terms.


41 posted on 04/10/2014 9:32:16 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: NYer

This stuff is a holy week tradition.
What was it last year? I think it was someone found Jesus’ grave, or was that the year before?


42 posted on 04/10/2014 9:36:19 PM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: NYer

This is like the supposed “lost tomb of Jesus” that had the names of “Jesus son of Joseph”, “Mary”, “Matthew” carved in stone ossuaries. There was no proof that the names were the names of the Jesus of Nazareth of the New Testament, or that any of the other names had anything to do with his family or disciples. It was “assumed” that they were.

Same with this parchment. If it is an authentic piece of parchment from the 1st century, or the 2nd century or 3rd century - that’s all it is - an “authentic” piece of parchment. We don’t know if the Jesus mentioned on the parchment has anything to do with the Jesus of the New Testament. And, if it is speaking of the Jesus of the New Testament, does that mean that what is written on the parchment is true? We don’t even have a context to see what the fragment is referring to.

I love how people who want to trash the New Testament manuscripts flippantly disavow the authenticity or trustworthiness of the content of those documents, yet rush to accept non-canonical documents as being trustworthy and beyond question.


43 posted on 04/10/2014 9:39:57 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Argus

Absolutely!


44 posted on 04/10/2014 9:43:47 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: NYer

The mainstream media sure likes to distort anything related to religion. The title of this article is misleading as it implies that, since manuscript experts have determined that the manuscript in question is not a “fake” (meaning it may have been created about the 10th century— about 800 years after the last New Testament books were written), that implies that it “proves” that Jesus had a wife— which it does not. Reading the article, the researchers themselves make clear this is a *Gnostic* text. The Gnostics were not Christians, as the headline erroneously states, but were an esoteric dualist sect (similar to the modern New Age movement) that incorporated aspects of the beliefs of the religions around them, including Christianity. So, no— NO early Christians believed that Jesus was married.


45 posted on 04/10/2014 9:45:21 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: fatima

Well he was fully human too


46 posted on 04/10/2014 9:59:18 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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"http://gospelofjesusswife.hds.harvard.edu/"

Harvard researchers have discovered that "Sharpie Markers" were widely used back in those days, and that distinctive, telltale "Sharpie Markers" ink was conclusively found all over the manuscript...

:-)

47 posted on 04/10/2014 9:59:33 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Are you saying that Saul/Paul was absolutely married? If so, Paul himself said otherwise. 1 Corinthians 7:8


48 posted on 04/10/2014 10:29:35 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: RIghtwardHo

Gal. 1:6-9

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

Gnosticism is not new. I has been around since the first century Church...!


49 posted on 04/10/2014 10:30:47 PM PDT by swampfox101 (l)
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To: NYer

Sounds legit. And by that I mean “are you kidding me?”


50 posted on 04/10/2014 11:03:32 PM PDT by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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