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Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection? (Dispensational Caucus)
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Posted on 04/13/2014 11:16:00 AM PDT by wmfights

Question: "Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection?"

Answer: There is a great deal of confusion in regards to this question. This concept comes primarily from the Apostles' Creed, which states, “He descended into hell.” There are also a few Scriptures which, depending on how they are translated, describe Jesus going to “hell.” In studying this issue, it is important to first understand what the Bible teaches about the realm of the dead.

In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is sheol. It simply means the “place of the dead” or the “place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek equivalent of sheol is hades which also refers to “the place of the dead.” Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicate that sheol/hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 gives a clear distinction between the two. Hell (the lake of fire) is the permanent and final place of judgment for the lost. Hades is a temporary place. So, no, Jesus did not go to hell because hell is a future realm, only put into effect after the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).

Sheol/hades is a realm with two divisions (Matthew 11:23, 16:18; Luke 10:15, 16:23; Acts 2:27-31), the abodes of the saved and the lost. The abode of the saved was called “paradise” and “Abraham's bosom.” The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus ascended to heaven, He took the occupants of paradise (believers) with Him (Ephesians 4:8-10). The lost side of sheol/hades has remained unchanged. All unbelieving dead go there awaiting their final judgment in the future. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes, according to Ephesians 4:8-10 and 1 Peter 3:18-20.

Some of the confusion has arisen from such passages as Psalm 16:10-11 as translated in the King James Version, “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption....Thou wilt show me the path of life.” “Hell” is not a correct translation of this verse. A correct reading would be “the grave” or “sheol.” Jesus said to the thief beside Him, “Today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). Jesus’ body was in the tomb; His soul/spirit went to the “paradise” side of sheol/hades. He then removed all the righteous dead from paradise and took them with Him to heaven. Unfortunately, in many translations of the Bible, translators are not consistent, or correct, in how they translate the Hebrew and Greek words for “sheol,” “hades,” and “hell.”

Some have the viewpoint that Jesus went to “hell” or the suffering side of sheol/hades in order to further be punished for our sins. This idea is completely unbiblical. It was the death of Jesus on the cross and His suffering in our place that sufficiently provided for our redemption. It was His shed blood that effected our own cleansing from sin (1 John 1:7-9). As He hung there on the cross, He took the sin burden of the whole human race upon Himself. He became sin for us: “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This imputation of sin helps us understand Christ's struggle in the garden of Gethsemane with the cup of sin which would be poured out upon Him on the cross.

When Jesus cried upon the cross, “Oh, Father, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46), it was then that He was separated from the Father because of the sin poured out upon Him. As He gave up His spirit, He said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46). His suffering in our place was completed. His soul/spirit went to the paradise side of hades. Jesus did not go to hell. Jesus’ suffering ended the moment He died. The payment for sin was paid. He then awaited the resurrection of His body and His return to glory in His ascension. Did Jesus go to hell? No. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: afterlife; dispensationalism; easter; hades; jesus; paradise; resurrection
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Matt. 16:18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

The last part of this statement makes a lot more sense with understand what happened to the Saints prior to the Cross.

God Bless everyone if I don't post to you prior to Resurrection Sunday.

1 posted on 04/13/2014 11:16:00 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights; Kandy Atz; Mrs.Z; CynicalBear; Iscool
Dispensational ping

If you would like to be added to this caucus please mail me.

2 posted on 04/13/2014 11:17:27 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights

He was separated from God for those three days.


3 posted on 04/13/2014 11:25:50 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Great question.

But Jesus and God the Father are one.

4 posted on 04/13/2014 11:32:05 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights

Mark


5 posted on 04/13/2014 11:34:09 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: wmfights

He went to Hell not as punishment but as a conquest of it. You could think of it as a victory lap.


7 posted on 04/13/2014 11:44:30 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: wmfights
I've always considered Tolkien's tale of Gandalf against the Balrog to be one of strong echoes of the Christian story. There is fearsome darkness and fire, but they cannot prevail against the light of the righteous in Christ:

'I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn. Go back to the Shadow! You cannot pass.'

8 posted on 04/13/2014 11:45:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: wmfights

It wasn’t a question.

Jesus died for our sins. He died in body and soul.


9 posted on 04/13/2014 11:46:17 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: wmfights

He went to Detroit.
Same thing.


10 posted on 04/13/2014 11:49:35 AM PDT by Carl LaFong (The. Media. Is.The. Enemy.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I've always considered Tolkien's tale of Gandalf against the Balrog to be one of strong echoes of the Christian story. There is fearsome darkness and fire, but they cannot prevail against the light of the righteous in Christ:

Tolkien was a practicing Catholic and his Ring trilogy WAS supposed to have religious echoes.

11 posted on 04/13/2014 11:53:04 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Carl LaFong
He went to Detroit.
Same thing.

You're the third anti-Detroit person I've heard from.
My mother-in-law was from Detroit. Ahem. 'Nuff said.

12 posted on 04/13/2014 11:54:33 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: miele man

later read


13 posted on 04/13/2014 11:56:10 AM PDT by miele man
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To: cloudmountain

Of course. Additionally, as a veteran of WWI, the phrase “they shall not pass” meant a great deal to Tolkien. He was a great artist and was able to take all of the things that meant the most to him during his life and weave them into a great tale. It is suffused with Christian theology, his war experience, and his love for his wife. It’s all one thing, really. It is the tale of what it means to be human.


14 posted on 04/13/2014 11:56:40 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Carl LaFong
He went to Detroit.

Wait a minute, Detroit wasn't there yet...

5.56mm

15 posted on 04/13/2014 11:58:33 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: ClearCase_guy
Of course. Additionally, as a veteran of WWI, the phrase “they shall not pass” meant a great deal to Tolkien. He was a great artist and was able to take all of the things that meant the most to him during his life and weave them into a great tale. It is suffused with Christian theology, his war experience, and his love for his wife. It’s all one thing, really. It is the tale of what it means to be human.

You've nailed it CC_guy.

16 posted on 04/13/2014 12:00:37 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Carl LaFong
He went to Detroit.

I thought it was Chicago.

17 posted on 04/13/2014 12:00:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: wmfights

Seem to remember reading something like The Gospel of Barnabus (not the vampire) or such which related the journey of Jesus after death to Hell and back. Was not allowed into the New Testament.


18 posted on 04/13/2014 12:01:16 PM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: wmfights

Is that where this phrase came from ?

“Oh Jesus, you look like Hell”


19 posted on 04/13/2014 12:03:59 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: wmfights

There is Hell for the Son of God?


20 posted on 04/13/2014 12:06:02 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: driftdiver
He was separated from God for those three days.

But he told the thief on the cross "Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." (Luke 23:43)

21 posted on 04/13/2014 12:08:27 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

After those three days.


22 posted on 04/13/2014 12:09:30 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I’m afraid I don’t understand. He said “today”.


23 posted on 04/13/2014 12:11:17 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Carl LaFong

LOL


24 posted on 04/13/2014 12:15:08 PM PDT by Obadiah (Obama takes a selfie. Putin takes Crimea.)
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To: dfwgator

New Orleans


25 posted on 04/13/2014 12:22:30 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: eyedigress

Well he’s bound for there.


26 posted on 04/13/2014 12:23:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: eyedigress

Then out to California through the forests and the pines.


27 posted on 04/13/2014 12:24:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: wmfights

Jesus and the Father are One, but not the SAME.
Don’t confuse God’s nature with Man’s nature.
We are made in the Image of God.

Man is three on one. Our Body, Our Soul, and Our Spirit.
Now, you don’t normally think think of these as separate, but they are.
When you die, your body is separated from your soul and spirit.

And so, it is with God, He is Three in One as well (This is a very rough analogy, we are but a dim image of God).


28 posted on 04/13/2014 12:24:52 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: dfwgator

Yep, hell is everywhere. LOL!


29 posted on 04/13/2014 12:27:03 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: driftdiver

I thought souls were eternal...


30 posted on 04/13/2014 12:28:10 PM PDT by bike800
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To: dfwgator

Don’t forget Mississippi and the muddy water.


31 posted on 04/13/2014 12:34:08 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?s)
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To: Pan_Yan

I believe He was in hell for the three hours of darkness while on Calvary.


32 posted on 04/13/2014 12:38:20 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Pan_Yan

The thief was with God that day, wasn’t he?


33 posted on 04/13/2014 12:43:53 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: bike800

And his soul was separated from God.


34 posted on 04/13/2014 12:46:00 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Pan_Yan
But he told the thief on the cross "Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise." (Luke 23:43)

Paradise was the place of departed spirits. The bosom of Abraham was where the children of Israel went until the Messiah came to claim them. Christ told the thief that he would be with Him in Paradise and that was so, then Jesus cleaned out the Bosom of Abraham and took them with Him.

35 posted on 04/13/2014 12:48:13 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: BereanBrain

I would go to athensation creed to get a good explanation.


36 posted on 04/13/2014 1:14:43 PM PDT by scbison
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To: wmfights

I believe you are right.


37 posted on 04/13/2014 1:22:07 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: logic101.net
He went to Hell not as punishment but as a conquest of it. You could think of it as a victory lap.

A point of distinction in the article is He went to Hades where the Old Testament Saints were in Abraqham's Bossom also known as Paradise.

39 posted on 04/13/2014 1:35:33 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Carl LaFong

Are you a Dispensationalist?


40 posted on 04/13/2014 1:36:22 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: ArtDodger
Seem to remember reading something like The Gospel of Barnabus (not the vampire) or such which related the journey of Jesus after death to Hell and back. Was not allowed into the New Testament.

I wouldn't be surprised, but as the article points out there are Scriptural references that point to this explanation.

41 posted on 04/13/2014 1:39:12 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: UCANSEE2

Are you a Dispensationalist?


42 posted on 04/13/2014 1:39:59 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: MayflowerMadam

I believe He was there until the payment for believer’s sin was complete. If He did not then His soul did not suffer the punishment for my sins which is eternal death in hell. No river, no tree of life. Was Jesus the first to go to hell? We have to believe our sin debt is paid.

However, now I am questioning that, He did not have a body. The resurrected will have bodies, but will those going to hell have bodies?

There are souls before the throne asking God how long it will be before the return, so how does that come into play?

The wrath of God against evil nations will be the tribulation, how is the death of Jesus fulfilling the wrath of God against the individual?

God does say in Ezekiel 18 and 33 that may bear upon our judgment day. Weighing our evil against our righteous acts.

As usual, more questions. Always wondering.

As I sat in church this morning I thought the message would be about Palm Sunday so I went to Luke to read about His trip to Jerusalem. The last thing He said (in Luke 19:27) before climbing the hill to enter the city was “But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.” (it was the conclusion of the talent parable) My first thought was why are we not afraid of Jesus? Has the church been overcompensating for the righteous judgment of God the Father that we are afraid to teach that it is Jesus who will be sending those who reject Him to hell? Teaching the Word with the Father and Son as one is the issue. On a side note, today was the first day I heard a pastor say that Jesus returns as a Warrior King. Oohrah. No liberal rules of engagement from Him! Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing! So Be It.


43 posted on 04/13/2014 1:41:02 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: CodeToad
There is Hell for the Son of God?

The article points out the distinction between Hades and Hell and the two parts of Hades.

Jesus went to Paradise and led "captivity captive". IOW he took the Old Testament Saints to Heaven.

44 posted on 04/13/2014 1:42:47 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: dfwgator

Are you a Dispensationalist?


45 posted on 04/13/2014 1:43:59 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: eyedigress

Are you a Dispensationalist?


46 posted on 04/13/2014 1:44:40 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: M Kehoe

Well of course the place we know of as Detroit was not there. But the place where Detroit would be, was there.

Clear? I know...not clear at all!


47 posted on 04/13/2014 1:46:29 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: rjsimmon; Pan_Yan
Paradise was the place of departed spirits. The bosom of Abraham was where the children of Israel went until the Messiah came to claim them. Christ told the thief that he would be with Him in Paradise and that was so, then Jesus cleaned out the Bosom of Abraham and took them with Him.

Nice succinct explanation.

I thought the article was pretty straightforward.

48 posted on 04/13/2014 1:47:38 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: ravenwolf
I believe you are right.

Thank you.

I thought the article did a good job of showing from Scripture why this makes sense. Any future reference to "the gates of Hell" are mute because Jesus already kicked them down.

49 posted on 04/13/2014 1:50:41 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Vermont Lt

Are you a Dispensationalist?


50 posted on 04/13/2014 1:52:34 PM PDT by wmfights
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