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10 Pastors Im Concerned About
Scott Postma ^ | 04/13/2014

Posted on 04/13/2014 7:53:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

It’s not a secret the church has been in decline for a number of years and for a variety of reasons. You can read some statistics and views on why, here and here and here. Everyone has their opinions.

Abuse, apostasy, and irrelevance are just a few of the words that keep coming up in the search for reasons for the decline. There are a variety of compelling opinions and I even have a few of my own.

But I suggest there is another area of decline more significant and perhaps much less obvious—and one that certainly contributes to the church’s decline in numbers.

And I think its likely a careful analysis would implicate the church’s leadership for this more significant issue.

In other words, I’m concerned about pastors and the role they play in the church’s decline.

By saying so, I’m not suggesting this pastor has it all together. Nor am I trying to cultivate (or ratify) some dishonest skeptics’ hate for the church. Rather, I’m hoping to raise some concerns in a conversational kind of way.

Further, I’m not claiming to be the expert in all church issues. However, I have been in some form of pastoral ministry for the last 19 years and feel I have some measure of insight about the issue.

So in an effort to pursue this conversation in a healthy way, here are 10 pastors I’m concerned about.

  1. I’m concerned about the pastor who is better at managing church programs than he is at making disciples of Jesus. Thom Rainer & Eric Geiger addressed this topic somewhat in the book Simple Church, but I’m not sure how many pastors paid attention to the message. The church is not better because it has more programs. It’s quite possible for programs to hinder its real mission.

  2. I’m concerned about the pastor who attracts people with fancy self-help sermons instead of teaching people to be students of the Bible and theology. Sure topical sermons can be helpful teaching tools when used appropriately and in moderation. But to pique interest in the unchurched, church-growth pastors have promoted episodic sermons ad nauseam and to no avail at effectively grounding deeply committed disciples of Jesus, as the statistics provided previously demonstrate.

  3. I’m concerned about the pastor who is a chief executive instead of a contemplative sage. The pastor is called to a contemplative life of prayer and study of the word (Acts 6:4 cf. Ephesians 4:11-16). From that life his ministry flows to the church. The pastor was never called to be a rock-star communicator or bench-mark business leader. He was called to model redemption and shepherd the flock of God (1 Peter 5:1-4 cf. Acts 20:28). Perhaps pastors should consider putting away their John Maxwell and Nelson Searcy books and picking up the Bible and the church fathers.

  4. I’m concerned about the pastor who uses the pulpit to milk members instead of minister to the saints. It was the angry atheist, Richard Dawkins, who asked Ted Haggard (back in the day) why he needed a multi-million dollar sound system that paralleled that of MTV to teach people about God. I think that’s a question that deserves an answer. Why do pastors need to build bigger and better on the backs of God’s people? I think the answer may be rooted in the human heart. Francis Chan seemed to have caught that vision when he was still pastor in Simi Valley. And if we think we need to build bigger barns, perhaps we should pray about church planting as a viable alternative.

  5. I’m concerned about the pastor who makes growing the church the goal instead of glorifying God the goal. There is no biblical mandate for growing the church. Sure there is one for propagating the gospel and making disciples. But the chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy him forever. There is nothing in Scripture, except pride, that drives pastors to drive the flocks they are supposed to be tending.

  6. I’m concerned about the pastor who builds his ministry with people instead of building people by his ministry. It seems I’ve said this already, just differently. But here I’m speaking to a philosophy that often underlies many of the abuses in the church. For example, a well-known mega-church pastor once advised me to think of people in seven-year terms. He explained that people generally burn out after seven years. And if I wanted to build a big ministry for God, I would need to leverage those seven years. Funny, I don’t recall God asking pastors to leverage his people for the pastor’s dream of building a big church for God.

  7. I’m concerned about the pastor who cultivates a culture of dependency on himself instead of cultivating a culture of community within the church. Of course, I’m not denying spiritual dependency on Christ is biblical. But the pastor is not the people’s savior. He’s a just man who will burn out and fail himself given enough time and responsibility. Christians should be taught to depend on Jesus as our Savior, the church as our sanctifying community, the Bible as our word from God, and the Spirit as our parakletos.

  8. I’m concerned about the pastor who reads and teaches the Bible literally instead of literarily. This is not to suggest the Bible is not important or any less God’s word. It’s to say the Bible is literature, divine literature to be sure, but literature nonetheless. That means it needs to be read and understood as God’s word to us (or for us) in the context of its literary genre. Not all the Bible is prescriptive; and none of it was written to be used as a random list of verses cherry-picked capriciously to beat people up or defend our personal ideas and beliefs. The Bible is the holy canon which reveals God to us through the person and work of Jesus Christ. Pastors who mishandle God’s word are extremely dangerous.

  9. I’m concerned about the pastor who contributes to the culture of consumerism instead of combating idolatry. Pastors who pander to the consumerism in the church are no different than parents who give their kids everything they want to keep them from throwing a fit or to get them to reciprocate love. Christianity isn’t a smorgasbord where people get to pick and choose what they like or don’t. It’s a community of believers on a journey and mission of faith who live in communitas with others for the glory of God, the blessing of his people, and the advancement of his kingdom.

  10. I’m concerned about the pastor who sees the church as a stepping stone instead of seeing it as a custodian of Christ’s kingdom. Certainly, God moves people. And certainly pastors have a right to pursue other ventures as the Lord leads and gives liberty. But the church is the primary agent for the stewardship of the gospel and the redemption of the cosmos. It’s the integral institution for advancing Christ’s kingdom and for shaping culture and society. It’s not God’s second-hand agency. It’s not his “Plan B.” Jesus died for the church and it is significant.

These are a few of my concerns about pastors. What are your concerns?


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: church; discipleship; pastors

1 posted on 04/13/2014 7:53:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The American church will be fine, as soon as we repent, fast, and pray.


2 posted on 04/13/2014 7:58:07 PM PDT by lurk
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree, but # 8 had me a bit worried about where it was going


3 posted on 04/13/2014 7:59:14 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: SeekAndFind

‘Church Rescue’ propels unlikely reality TV stars: church consultants
http://www.religionnews.com/2013/11/05/church-rescue-propels-unlikely-reality-tv-stars-church-consultants/


4 posted on 04/13/2014 8:01:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

While I have my own problems or issues with the church as a whole didn’t the Bible tell us to “work out our salvation with fear and trembling”. i.e. It is really up to us to question ourselves and the Bible and not blindly follow anyone but to actually do the work of believing! Putting our faith in the hands of another individual other than the Lord himself is a dangerous practice!


5 posted on 04/13/2014 8:05:22 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: lurk

....And get rid of the Socialists.


6 posted on 04/13/2014 8:09:25 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: SeekAndFind

My grandfather once said to never trust a preacher who owns more than one suit. I thought that good advice then, and I think it’s good advice now.


7 posted on 04/13/2014 8:13:07 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Gamecock
1. I’m concerned about the pastor who is better at managing church programs than he is at making disciples of Jesus.
2. I’m concerned about the pastor who attracts people with fancy self-help sermons instead of
3. I’m concerned about the pastor who is a chief executive instead of a contemplative sage.
4. I’m concerned about the pastor who uses the pulpit to milk members instead of minister to the saints.
5. I’m concerned about the pastor who makes growing the church the goal instead of glorifying God the goal.
6. I’m concerned about the pastor who builds his ministry with people instead of building people by his ministry.
7. I’m concerned about the pastor who cultivates a culture of dependency on himself instead of cultivating a culture of community within the church.
8. I’m concerned about the pastor who reads and teaches the Bible literally instead of literarily.
9. I’m concerned about the pastor who contributes to the culture of consumerism instead of combating idolatry.
10. I’m concerned about the pastor who sees the church as a stepping stone instead of seeing it as a custodian of Christ’s kingdom.

All in all, it's not a bad list.

8 posted on 04/13/2014 8:16:21 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: SeekAndFind; xzins
I’m concerned about the pastor who reads and teaches the Bible literally instead of literarily.

Number 8 suggests that this guy doesn't like people who believe in Miracles, or the flood or Jonah or Creation or Adam and Eve and he wants people to take lessons from those stories without believing they are literal. He is suggesting that these stories should be read a literature (i.e., MYTH) rather than literal stories.

Unfortunately since Jesus referred to Noah, Jonah, and Adam and Eve as real people, this guy is suggesting that Jesus was a myth teller.

9 posted on 04/13/2014 8:19:26 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: SeekAndFind

Might be included in the above list, but a Pastor who goes out of his way to be “hip” has his priorities way out of whack.


10 posted on 04/13/2014 8:21:32 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: P-Marlowe

I think his objection is to people who take verses out of context. Some people use the Bible like an oracle, opening it up to a random page. Some people find a verse that seems encouraging to them, or approving of their actions, without considering, what history was being told? Who was God speaking to? Does the verse apply to a specific time and place, or to all times?


11 posted on 04/13/2014 8:27:02 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: SeekAndFind
I’m concerned about the pastor who reads and teaches the Bible literally instead of literarily. This is not to suggest the Bible is not important or any less God’s word. It’s to say the Bible is literature, divine literature to be sure, but literature nonetheless. That means it needs to be read and understood as God’s word to us (or for us) in the context of its literary genre. Not all the Bible is prescriptive; and none of it was written to be used as a random list of verses cherry-picked capriciously to beat people up or defend our personal ideas and beliefs. The Bible is the holy canon which reveals God to us through the person and work of Jesus Christ. Pastors who mishandle God’s word are extremely dangerous.

That was a very large word salad to say that he wants to cherry pick verses that he does not want to follow.

Amazing how he accuses others of exactly what he is doing.

12 posted on 04/13/2014 8:28:01 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: P-Marlowe
Number 8 suggests that this guy doesn't like people who believe in Miracles, or the flood or Jonah or Creation or Adam and Eve and he wants people to take lessons from those stories without believing they are literal. He is suggesting that these stories should be read a literature (i.e., MYTH) rather than literal stories.

No, what he's saying is that they have to be interpreted in light of the kind of literature they are. You don't interpret the laws of Leviticus in the same way as the poetry of the Psalms. You don't read the apocalyptic books (which are deeply couched in metaphor and symbolism) in the same way as you read the history books (which are basically straight prose). Proverbs are wise generalizations about the way the world works, and so if you treat them either as case law or promises, you're missing the point. And so forth.

13 posted on 04/13/2014 8:28:57 PM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: heartwood; SeekAndFind; xzins
It’s to say the Bible is literature, divine literature to be sure, but literature nonetheless.

To me that statement suggests that the stories in the Bible, you know, the ones we teach our children, such as the creation, Noah, Jonah, Adam and Eve are just "literature" and not Literal.

If Jesus referred to Noah (he did) Jonah (he did) and Adam and Eve (he did) as real people, then we best not try to treat those stories as anything other than the LITERAL truth.

This guy was not there. Jesus was.

14 posted on 04/13/2014 8:32:18 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: RansomOttawa; SeekAndFind; xzins
No, what he's saying is that they have to be interpreted in light of the kind of literature they are.

How do you know what he meant?

He decried those who teach the bible LITERALLY instead of LITERARILY.

That is the teaching method of liberal churches.

lit·er·al·ly
In a literal manner or sense; exactly.

literarily
In a literary manner

lit·er·ar·y
Concerning the writing, study, or content of literature, esp. of the kind valued for quality of form.

His words were not explained. However, his words speak for themselves. If he meant something different he should have used different words. Perhaps he was just trying to be cute. Or perhaps he could only think of 9 good reasons and threw in this one just to make an even 10.

Personally I think people who teach the bible literarily rather than literally are the more dangerous. Most liberal churches are pastored by the former.

15 posted on 04/13/2014 8:44:51 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: fwdude

Don’t even get me going.

But that is covered by several of these points, really.


16 posted on 04/13/2014 8:46:24 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: fwdude
Might be included in the above list, but a Pastor who goes out of his way to be “hip” has his priorities way out of whack.

What if he is "hip" and always has been "hip"?

17 posted on 04/13/2014 8:56:00 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have only one concern....and that is that most pastors don’t teach the reality of Satan and how he’s working very hard to destroy not only the Church but the Middle class too.

These days all other concerns are moot.


18 posted on 04/13/2014 8:58:47 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: P-Marlowe

Ha!

That’s why I could never be a good pastor.


19 posted on 04/13/2014 9:15:02 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: P-Marlowe
How do you know what he meant?

I interpreted his words in light of their literary genre, which is a blog post containing didactic material. ;)

He decried those who teach the bible LITERALLY instead of LITERARILY.

And he did so quite rightly, though the dichotomy between literally and literarily is not so sharp as you are representing it as.

You would not read Psalm 50:10 literally, for example, unless you wish to assert that God is literally saying that the cattle on Hills 1,001+ belong to someone else. It is not a literal statement. You properly read it literarily: as a metaphor that means everything on earth belongs to God. Read it literally, and you're abusing it.

That is the teaching method of liberal churches.

It is part and parcel of the grammatical-historical method of interpretation, which I would expect to be taught at any responsible, Bible-believing college or seminary.

20 posted on 04/13/2014 9:18:17 PM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: P-Marlowe

“What if he is “hip” and always has been “hip”?”

“Hip” shifts. It’s almost impossible to stay hip without chasing fads.


21 posted on 04/13/2014 9:18:40 PM PDT by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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To: RansomOttawa

If he was advocating the grammatical-historical method of interpretation, he should have been more clear about it. Usually “LITERALLY instead of LITERARILY” is the war cry of those who want to deny a literal Adam and Eve, a literal creation, and a literal flood, among other things.

(There is no grammatical-historical reason to believe Genesis is talking about something other than real people and events, but the so-called higher critics like to invent and claim literary reasons.)


22 posted on 04/13/2014 9:31:33 PM PDT by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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To: lurk

“And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.” (Matthew 7:28-29)

In other words, He taught them the plain meaning of the Scriptures as one who also believed the Scriptures’ plain sense ... and not as so many of the clergy of his day. He taught them the CONTENT of the Holy Scriptures unfiltered and untainted with personal opinion, personal “wisdom.” That was the power and authority they took note of.

I am sorry, but “repent, fast, and pray,” will never do much of anything if the plain meaning of the Bible is ignored or neglected. The American Christian church is in its preaching (so-called) and teaching awash with opinion, personal and denominational - and non-denominational!!! - agendas, personality cults, obsessive “me-ism,” and post-Christian therapeutic deism. The teaching of Jesus astonished the “man in the pew” because He taught not His own ideas, as did the scribes, but “thus says the LORD.” This will always astonish people.

So often today preachers do not trust God’s word (and thus the Holy Spirit) to be able to mold and shape people’s hearts. So they feel they must add to its power with gimmickry, psychological tactics, and emotional appeal. Thus they are building on the true and only foundation with straw and hay. Their work will not stand the test of time, but the foundation will remain firm and unmoved.

The Scriptures are all about Christ, and Him crucified for the sins of all. That is their power. It is none other.


23 posted on 04/13/2014 10:08:34 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Gil4

(There is no grammatical-historical reason to believe Genesis is talking about something other than real people and events, but the so-called higher critics like to invent and claim literary reasons.)

Agreed.


24 posted on 04/13/2014 10:10:36 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: SeekAndFind

You all can continue your “conversation” till the cows come home but until you dig through the Roman man made religion you all call Christianity, Pastors can play pastor in anyway, shape or form and it won’t make a difference. Come back to the truths of the Torah. Come to the GOSPEL Jesus preached and told his disciples to preach. It wasn’t his death, burial, and resurrection. Come back to the Gospel that was preached to Abraham. Do your research, dig, study and you won’t need any clergy to continue to lead you into deception. No arguments please...I’m too old and too tired.
Yahweh wants all His children to know His truths. You WILL NOT hear them from the pulpit if you worship in a Sunday church so go ahead and entertain yourself with your pastor’s dog and pony show. Sorry, time is late...you need to seek Yahweh, He wants to show you His Truths.


25 posted on 04/13/2014 10:48:22 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: P-Marlowe; SeekAndFind; heartfelt; Alex Murphy; Gamecock
If Jesus referred to Noah (he did) Jonah (he did) and Adam and Eve (he did) as real people, then we best not try to treat those stories as anything other than the LITERAL truth.

I agree. I also think that point #8 was actually a unique point. The others were basically the same point. He's concerned with pastors who are phonies rather than real. I really hesitate at using his word distinction "literarily" and treating the Bible as literature. Should a letter viewed as a letter? Sure. But the truth is that very little of the message within the letter is constrained in any way by virtue of that letter being a "letter".

Other so-called forms of literature are contrived...apocalyptic literature is the most glaring example. Basically, that's just a fancy term in which egg-heads try to group such unique books as Daniel, Zechariah, and Revelation. The certainly have some similarities, but I seriously doubt Daniel said to himself, "Self, let's sit down and write an addition to the apocalyptic genre of literature."

I'm fairly sure you can can't take the Psalms and Proverbs and legitimately group them in a folder you've named "poetics". All of those groupings are after-the-fact and contrivances of scholars.

As for the remainder of the author's concerns, to the extent that he really is concerned with phoniness and then adequately hits the mark in his description, I'll go ahead an listen.

Sometimes, though, I think people write things just to write things because they have a deadline, a requirement to put out so many words for a column, a blog, etc.

26 posted on 04/14/2014 2:54:59 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe; SeekAndFind; heartfelt; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; RansomOttawa; heartwood
CORRECTED COPY

If Jesus referred to Noah (he did) Jonah (he did) and Adam and Eve (he did) as real people, then we best not try to treat those stories as anything other than the LITERAL truth.

I agree. I also think that point #8 was actually a unique point. The others were basically the same point. He's concerned with pastors who are phonies rather than real. I really hesitate at using his word distinction "literarily" and treating the Bible as literature. Should a letter be viewed as a letter? Sure. But the truth is that very little of the message within the letter is constrained in any way by virtue of that letter being a "letter".

Other so-called forms of literature are contrived...apocalyptic literature is the most glaring example. Basically, that's just a fancy term in which egg-heads try to group such unique books as Daniel, Zechariah, and Revelation. They certainly have some similarities, but I seriously doubt Daniel said to himself, "Self, let's sit down and write an addition to the apocalyptic genre of literature."

I'm fairly sure you can't take the Psalms and Proverbs and legitimately group them in a folder you've named "poetics". All of those groupings are after-the-fact and contrivances of scholars.

As for the remainder of the author's concerns, to the extent that he really is concerned with phoniness and then adequately hits the mark in his description, I'll go ahead and listen.

Sometimes, though, I think people write things just to write things because they have a deadline, a requirement to put out so many words for a column, a blog, etc.

27 posted on 04/14/2014 3:00:50 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe
"What if he is "hip" and always has been "hip"?"

What if his being "hip" includes heavily investing the Church Treasury in Bitcoins?

28 posted on 04/14/2014 3:20:12 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: lurk

Rather, BELIEVE, repent, pray, and fast.


29 posted on 04/14/2014 3:27:23 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ladyL

The full Torah is for the Jewish people only.

Christians have the 10 Comandments and the two great Comandments to love God and neighbor.


30 posted on 04/14/2014 3:29:31 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Gamecock

Marlowe - I’m always struck by how “with it” and pithy your comments are - you clearly get it. (xzins and gamecock too)


31 posted on 04/14/2014 3:52:11 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Biggirl

Actually, the Torah IS for Jewish people only, and non-Jews are only bidden to observe the Seven Laws of the Children of Noah.

http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/Universal-Morality.htm


32 posted on 04/14/2014 5:18:17 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Thank-you for that reminder!


33 posted on 04/14/2014 5:29:23 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: SeekAndFind

For too many pastors it is a job, not a calling and for most people going it is a club house................


34 posted on 04/14/2014 5:50:35 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: Biggirl

Rather, BELIEVE, repent, pray, and fast.


Reading Revelation (the first few chapters), Jesus has a slightly different perspective for church correction. It is not a quick answer and requires a little thinking to understand what He is saying.


35 posted on 04/14/2014 5:56:36 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: xzins; SeekAndFind; heartfelt; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; RansomOttawa; heartwood; Revelation 911
Sometimes, though, I think people write things just to write things because they have a deadline, a requirement to put out so many words for a column, a blog, etc.

Or perhaps to have ten items on a checklist when you can only legitimately think of 9.

Item number 8 just really is (to put it "literarily"): One of those is not like the others.

36 posted on 04/14/2014 6:37:26 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Yes, Jesus does go into BIG detail. REPENTANCE starts with the houses of God.


37 posted on 04/14/2014 6:38:44 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: P-Marlowe; Revelation 911
Or perhaps to have ten items on a checklist when you can only legitimately think of 9.

LOL! The dreaded "3 point sermon" when the text allows for only 2....OH NOES!

38 posted on 04/14/2014 6:43:49 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Did “Smiley” make the list?


39 posted on 04/14/2014 6:56:58 AM PDT by okkev68
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To: Gil4
If he was advocating the grammatical-historical method of interpretation, he should have been more clear about it.

You're right. He should have been more clear about it. And when other readers asked for clarification in the comments, he provided it. Did you read them?

Usually “LITERALLY instead of LITERARILY” is the war cry of those who want to deny a literal Adam and Eve, a literal creation, and a literal flood, among other things.

I didn't see where the author denied a literal Adam and Eve in that post, nor a literal flood, nor other things.

People are reading far more into his point (and far more nefarious motives) than he actually stated. All he meant is that you read history as history, law as law, poetry as poetry, or proverb as proverb. Nowhere did he state that a passage that is not intended to be read literally is therefore not true, nor that the persons it speaks about did not exist in history. Had he implied so, he would have been guilty of a false dichotomy—as are the people here on FR who are reading point #8 in the least charitable light. Frankly, I see more knee-jerking on this thread than I do a sincere desire to understand his meaning.

40 posted on 04/14/2014 10:15:44 AM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: P-Marlowe

Hi P-Marlowe,

I wrote the article and wanted to clarify for you what I meant by literarily, but it looks like a couple of sharp cookies beat me to the punch. Respectfully, I understand how you came to your conclusion, but some investigation before declaring judgment will serve us all well. Peace and blessings! SP


41 posted on 04/26/2014 8:14:36 PM PDT by gspostma (Passionate about the story of Jesus who calls the poor in spirit to authentic and significant lives.)
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To: Cap Huff

Bookmark


42 posted on 06/25/2014 7:18:31 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: SeekAndFind

Amen.


43 posted on 06/25/2014 7:30:22 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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