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Is There New Evidence That Jesus Had a Wife?
Townhall ^ | 04/14/2014 | Michael Brown

Posted on 04/14/2014 9:05:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The internet has been abuzz with intriguing headlines announcing that scholars have determined that the so-called “Gospel of Jesus’ Wife” papyrus is “authentic” and that there is “no forgery evidence” in the manuscript.

What exactly does this mean? And should Christians be concerned that a new discovery might contradict the biblical account and undermine their faith?

Actually, the report from scholars working with the Harvard Divinity School found that the manuscript is much younger than previously thought – in other words, it is even further removed from the time of the New Testament than scholars originally believed – meaning that, at most, it is a very late myth without a stitch of historical support.

What the report did say was that there was no evidence that any part of this small manuscript had been forged, so what was written was “authentic” in terms of not being the work of a modern forger.

But the scholars did not determine that the apparent reference to Jesus having a wife was authentic. How could they?

As New Testament scholar Darrell Bock observed back in September, 2012 when the find was first announced, “In the New Testament, the church is presented as the bride of Christ. And then in Gnostic Christianity in particular, there’s a ritual - about which we don't know very much - that portrayed the church as the bride of Christ. So we could simply have a metaphorical reference to the church as the bride, or the wife, of Christ.”

And what if this text recorded Jesus as saying that one of his disciples would be his wife?

Bock explained that, “This would be the first text - out of hundreds of texts that we have about Jesus - that would indicate that he was married, if it’s even saying that. So to suggest that one text overturns multiple texts, and multiple centuries, of what has been said about Jesus and what’s been articulated about him, I think is not a very wise place to go, just simply from a historical point of view.”

Initially, when Harvard professor Karen King learned about this papyrus fragment written in the Coptic language, which was used by the ancient, heretical, Gnostic Christians, she thought it might have been a forgery, as did other scholars, especially from the Vatican. But upon further study, she concluded it was not, dating it to the fourth century A.D.

Yet how seriously should we take a fourth century report about Jesus, who was crucified around 30 A.D., especially when it contradicts every other piece of evidence we have about Jesus up to that time? As Prof. Bock said, this “is not a very wise place to go, just simply from a historical point of view.”

To give you a parallel example, how seriously would future historians take a report written 300 years after Pearl Harbor that contradicted every single report that preceded it, including all reports from all eye witnesses?

But the latest report – the one creating such a stir – claims that the tiny manuscript should not be dated to the fourth century. Instead, scholars have now dated it to approximately 741 A.D., meaning, more than 700 years after the time of Jesus. What kind of “evidence” is this?

It would be similar to historians 1,000 years from now finding a letter written in the year 2510 claiming that George Washington, who died in 1799, was actually an alien from Mars. How seriously would it be taken? (Come to think of it, the Ancient Aliens series has probably made a similar claim already!)

There remains no evidence of any kind that Jesus had a wife (note to the reader: Dan Brown’s fictional The Da Vinci Code is not evidence), and the only thing scholars did was determine that this small papyrus fragment was not a modern forgery, although it was hundreds of years younger than they originally thought.

Of course, it is still not totally clear that the manuscript even claims Jesus had a wife, but we know that within 150 years of the time of Jesus, there were fictional gospels circulating with all kinds of bogus claims. Should it surprise us, then, that many centuries later, another fictitious account with yet another new claim would be written down?

Unfortunately, many casual readers and skeptics now think that some “authentic” new evidence has been discovered supporting the idea that Jesus was married, and even Christians are asking if they should be concerned about this latest find.

Rest assured that nothing has been discovered that even remotely challenges the biblical account, and if this very late text does imply that Jesus had a wife, what we have is an authentic fabrication and nothing more.


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1 posted on 04/14/2014 9:05:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No.


2 posted on 04/14/2014 9:08:03 AM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: SeekAndFind

I still believe that knowing his mission involved ultimate Crucifixion, he would not have married. Would be too cruel a thing to put your spouse through.


3 posted on 04/14/2014 9:08:04 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind
I don't have an opinion on it one way of the other. I lean, however, to the school of thought which claims he did. Otherwise, how would the only begotten Son of God have a thorough understanding of man's temptations of the flesh?

In either case, it no way diminishes who he was.

4 posted on 04/14/2014 9:11:00 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Since Jesus was a coo on name, I am sure some one named Jesus had a wife.

My Lord and Savior, Jesus of Nazareth did not


5 posted on 04/14/2014 9:11:47 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

That should have said common not coo


6 posted on 04/14/2014 9:12:44 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: SeekAndFind

Is there any new evidence the moon landing was faked?


7 posted on 04/14/2014 9:13:15 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Headline phrased as a question. That is one of the things I hate about MSN.com. Every third article is headlined by a question. If they have to ask a question, they don’t know anything, so it is useless to read. Same as this: After over 2000 years, pretty much every shred of evidence of anything has already been found.


8 posted on 04/14/2014 9:15:24 AM PDT by webheart (Watch out for the bots! They will disagree with you!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Jesus may have married...In which case, he likely had a herd of kids...I could be one of the decendents...


9 posted on 04/14/2014 9:15:57 AM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Iscool

I think Sam Kinison pretty much nailed why Jesus couldn’t have been married.


10 posted on 04/14/2014 9:16:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course the Christian’s deified rabbi had a wife! If he followed the Torah in letter and Spirit he certainly was. Of course, I’ll get flack about it, but here are the commandments.
(Keep in mind that Jewish men are supposed to get married per God, but rabbis doubly so because they set the example.)

Two times God says to go forth and multiply.
Genesis 1:28 and 9:7 (have children)

God officiated Adam and Eve’s marriage. Genesis 2:24

Then take a look at Deuteronomy, chapter 24:1-5.

Marry childless brother’s widow (even if you are already married. This is known as ‘yibum.’). Deuteronomy 25:5

If a man (or woman) refuses to marry his brother’s widow then he must perform the commandment called ‘chalitzah’ in order to free her from the required marriage and allow her to marry someone else. Deuteronomy 25:7-10

The rapist must marry the maiden (if she chooses to do so). Deuteronomy 22:29

The slanderer must remain married to the wife he slandered and not allowed to divorce her. Deuteronomy 22:19

Not to marry a woman and her daughter, or her son’s daughter, or her daughter’s daughter. Leviticus 18:17

Not to marry non-Jews. Deuteronomy 7:3

Not to let Moabite and Ammonite males marry into the Jewish people. Deuteronomy 23:4 (Doesn’t really apply any more since Moabites and Ammonites don’t exist now.)

Don’t keep a third generation Egyptian convert from marrying into the Jewish people. Deuteronomy 23:8-9

Not to refrain from marrying a third generation Edomite convert. Deuteronomy 23:8-9 (Doesn’t really apply since there are no more third generation Edomites around.)

Not to let a bastard marry into the Jewish people. Deuteronomy 23:3

Not to let a eunuch marry into the Jewish people. Deuteronomy 23:2

The high priest (cohen) must not marry a widow. Leviticus 21:14

The high priest (cohen) must marry a virgin maiden. Leviticus 21:13

A high priest (cohen) must not marry a divorcee. Leviticus 21:7

A cohen must not marry a zonah (a woman who had forbidden relations) or a chalalah Leviticus 21:7

So either the Christian’s defied rabbi and Paul/Saul are either a card-carrying Jews who followed Torah to the letter as well as in Spirit, or what is written in the Christian’s New Testament is a lie or a mis-translation.
Also, take a look at this article and see what you think.

Was the Apostle Paul Married?
http://www.dennyburk.com/was-the-apostle-paul-married/


11 posted on 04/14/2014 9:17:19 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Vigilanteman

You do have to engage in a temptation to know what it is. His time in the desert was enough and then the offers from Satan to rule in this world.

If you concede He had a wife, you open the door to those who say He had children. That opens up another can of worms


12 posted on 04/14/2014 9:18:27 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: SeekAndFind

An observant Jew of that day would be likely to follow the instruction to go forth and multiply; to do so without sin would require a wife, wouldn’t it? Yet other than a mysterious reference to a “beloved disciple” there is no mention of a spouse.

If we ask, He will tell us, later.


13 posted on 04/14/2014 9:20:07 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The absurdity of the idea can be seen when you consider all that is known about (the human) Jesus Christ. Jesus wasn’t just famous after he died. He was a renowned celebrity of sorts (to compare to today). He was considered a divisive figure (mostly by the High Priests and Religious/Political Leaders. Jesus was an activist. He fought for the meek, humble and ostracized. His existence and biography was recorded historically in more than just the bible.

That he intervened in Mary’s (prostitute) stoning was BIG news. I would think that a secret wife of Jesus would have come out.

That said, Jesus had siblings. What happened to them? Where are the distant removed cousins of Christ?


14 posted on 04/14/2014 9:21:10 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: Nifster

“You do have to engage in a temptation to know what it is.”

Which is the greater temptation? To engage in it as a single man or when married?


15 posted on 04/14/2014 9:22:07 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Tenacious 1

He was a rabbi that followed the letter of the Torah as well as in the Spirit of it. He tried to get all of Israel to do the same which resulted in him being described as you have said.


16 posted on 04/14/2014 9:25:51 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Tenacious 1

or that the moon landing has caused all the subsequent weather patterns to change.

My cousin truly believe that it did. sigh


17 posted on 04/14/2014 9:27:06 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country)
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To: Vigilanteman

Your opinion is interesting but one would have to believe in something other or in addition to The Bible to get there.


18 posted on 04/14/2014 9:28:06 AM PDT by excalibur21
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To: SeekAndFind

Translation:

bag rice
small basket olives
bunch grapes
pomegranate
crock honey
chicken
jar wine

It's a freakin' grocery list!

19 posted on 04/14/2014 9:28:36 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

They are equivalent....


20 posted on 04/14/2014 9:34:54 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

I beg to differ.


21 posted on 04/14/2014 9:36:16 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Which is the greater temptation? To engage in it as a single man or when married?

Good question - let's ask an expert:


22 posted on 04/14/2014 9:37:21 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Jack Hydrazine

It’s a fascinating idea to ponder. My faith, one way or another, is unshakable. But my experience, wisdom and relationship with Christ has allowed me to evolve in my understanding of what sort of personality he had; knowing his character. So I keep an open mind.

I was raised Catholic and still practice today with my family. But the image I had of a child as this gentle, quiet, humble (almost feeble) man was wrong. And it has evolved since I was enlightened by a realistic understanding of HUMAN behavior. Human’s gravitate to strong leaders. A leader’s influence relies on two important things: 1) Their following and 2) Their mission. I now understand the more the human side of our Lord; Charismatic, passionate, action orientated, led by example, unafraid, outspoken, opinionated, but still gentle, understanding, compassionate. Jesus showed anger and defiance but remained steadfastly unwavering even as he was tortured and put to death.

If I ever did come to believe he may have been married (and/or the disciples), I’d only be more intrigued and enlightened by our Lord and Savior.


23 posted on 04/14/2014 9:40:33 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: SeekAndFind
God with us had no need of a flesh physical woman. This would be very much akin to incest. He show us who and what is the greatest temptation. And even after fasting for 40 days and 40 nights, Christ was not tempted. Wonder how many will be able to follow Christ? Flesh bodies would not survive 40 days of fasting, but, in Christ any and all can resist the fiery darts of the want-a-be Jesus.
24 posted on 04/14/2014 9:44:56 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Nifster

Jewish men under Torah are allowed to marry up to 18 Jewish women although polygamy was banned by a European rabbi about 1000 years ago.

What if the Christian’s deified rabbi was married to 18 women plus all of the women he might have had? Now multiply the temptation of a married man with 18 wives and compare that a single Jewish man?

That’s a ginormous ball and chain that would be very tempting to get away from compared to the temptation a single Jewish man would face.


25 posted on 04/14/2014 9:49:24 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Vigilanteman

What has being married got to do with temptations of the flesh, aside - possibly - from succumbing to them?


26 posted on 04/14/2014 9:49:59 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: SeekAndFind

We were instructed by Paul to avoid foolish controversy and stupid speculations. This is one of them. End of discussion


27 posted on 04/14/2014 9:50:17 AM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Typo...

“...married to 18 women plus all of the women he might have had?”

Should be...

“... married to 18 women plus all of the children he might have had?”


28 posted on 04/14/2014 9:50:32 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Big deal. Dark Ages fanfic.


29 posted on 04/14/2014 9:53:45 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: SeekAndFind
Part of the reason the Four Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written was because false gospels were going out and the record had to be set straight.

Many of these false Gospels seem to come from the same source and usually only one copy. Whereas there are numerous copies of the Four Gospels and they corroborate one another like in a courtroom.

In court you count on the first hand witnesses to avoid hearsay. Sound like this document is more hearsay.

30 posted on 04/14/2014 9:53:53 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Would be too cruel a thing to put your spouse through.

But not his Mother?

31 posted on 04/14/2014 9:55:36 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I live in NJ....' Nuff said!)
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To: Vigilanteman
Otherwise, how would the only begotten Son of God have a thorough understanding of man's temptations of the flesh?

Because, being God, He knew and understood the temptations of His own creation. He did not come to earth in the flesh to gain a better understanding of the world, but to save the world.

32 posted on 04/14/2014 9:58:29 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

RE: But not his Mother?

You can choose to have a wife, you can’t decide whether or not you’ll have a mother.


33 posted on 04/14/2014 10:02:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Just mythoughts
God with us had no need of a flesh physical woman. This would be very much akin to incest. He show us who and what is the greatest temptation. And even after fasting for 40 days and 40 nights, Christ was not tempted.

Bible doesn't say that...In fact, God tell us that:

Heb_4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus was sinless by choice, not by birth...

34 posted on 04/14/2014 10:02:41 AM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: SeekAndFind

It don’t make me any difference if Jesus had a wife or not but the religious scholars has to keep the money flowing into their bank accounts just like every one else so there is no don`t doubt we will keep on hearing this drivel.


35 posted on 04/14/2014 10:09:42 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Iscool
Christ was God with us, Creator of all souls/spirit intellect. The Holy Spirit was with Him night and day and there would have been NO desire for a flesh woman. Quite unlike those fallen angels or ‘Sons of God’ referred to in Genesis 6.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same: that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

It is a devil teaching that promotes this notion that Christ would have been tempted by women, either in marriage to one or a sexual tryst in some oak or fig grove.

36 posted on 04/14/2014 10:14:53 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.


37 posted on 04/14/2014 10:21:41 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Vigilanteman
I lean, however, to the school of thought which claims he did. Otherwise, how would the only begotten Son of God have a thorough understanding of man's temptations of the flesh?

In the understanding of the ancient Israelites, there are three ways man is tempted... the Lust of the Flesh, the Lust of the Eyes and the Pride of Life. 1 John 2:16 references this. The Lust of Flesh is an obvious temptation to giving in to fleshly appetites... sex is one... food is an even greater imperative, when needed. The Lust of the Eyes is avarice in wanting all that you see. The Pride of Life is a desire to make yourself greater than God wills you to be... see the Tower of Babel and other usurpations.

In the Garden of Eden, this is where Adam and Eve failed. When they succumbed, the Bible records that the fruit was "good for food (flesh), pleasing to the eyes (eyes) and profitable to make one wise (pride)." This is code-speak for an Israelite to understand that they were tempted in every way.

Where Adam and Eve failed, Christ succeeded. Although bone-hungry after a 40 days fast in the desert, He didn't give in to the Devil's temptation to make rocks into bread. Although He came to call all peoples to Himself through His death and resurrection (a cup He didn't personally want, if you read His prayers in the Garden of Gethsemane), He spurned the Devil's offer to give them to Him in exchange for worship. Although He is God in the flesh and the Angels attend to Him, He declined to show His power and glory by throwing Himself from the parapet of the Temple to be rescued by Angels in the sight of all.

After Our Lord's temptations, the Bible records that He had been tested in all ways. He didn't need to be married to experience human temptation.

38 posted on 04/14/2014 10:21:58 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If you believe this might be true you do not really believe the Bible.


39 posted on 04/14/2014 10:21:59 AM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Simple answer. Jesus did marry and God did officiate the ceremony. It was when Jesus was crucified as the sacrificial offering of the New Covenant for His Bride, the Church.

What you posted does not in any way contradict that understanding of the greater truth.

40 posted on 04/14/2014 10:25:08 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: dirtymac
or that the moon landing has caused all the subsequent weather patterns to change.

From a scientific point it's not that far fetched there was an effect on the weather. Landing on the moon itself would not do that of course but blasting through the very thin ozone layer which environMENTALists are all the time in hysterics over cow flatulence when the a penetration by a space module/satellite or whatever would be much worse.

41 posted on 04/14/2014 10:25:38 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Just mythoughts
Flesh bodies would not survive 40 days of fasting...

Not true. I know people who do this for Lent. For real.

42 posted on 04/14/2014 10:27:56 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Jesus taught that there are three types of eunuchs- those born so (by physical or mental defect who are unable to marry), those who are made eunuchs by men (such as Daniel and his three friends), and those who make themselves eunuchs for God (such as John the Baptist, Paul, and possibly Elijah). (See Matthew 19:12.)


43 posted on 04/14/2014 10:28:19 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: Nifster
If you concede He had a wife, you open the door to those who say He had children. That opens up another can of worms . . .

Such as?

44 posted on 04/14/2014 10:29:15 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: pgyanke

But there weren’t any churches at all in existence when he died - only synagogues!


45 posted on 04/14/2014 10:29:29 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: unlearner

That’s just rabbinical commentary on the commandment for eunuchs not to marry.


46 posted on 04/14/2014 10:30:48 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: pgyanke

Good sermon and no disagreement. It just doesn’t prove he was married one way or the other.


47 posted on 04/14/2014 10:32:20 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
But there weren’t any churches at all in existence when he died - only synagogues!

Christ built His Church on His Apostles and their Faith (Matt 16:18). At His Death, there was One Church. There was only meant to be One Church.

48 posted on 04/14/2014 10:33:49 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

Please keep in mind that besides the Christian’s deified rabbi not being a Christian nor were there any churches in existence when he died his mission to get Jews observing Torah in letter and in Spirit was just that - a mission to Jews only.

He never even had a mission to get the non-Jews to follow the Ten Commandments which the B’nai Noach are supposed to do.


49 posted on 04/14/2014 10:34:02 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: pgyanke

Oh yeah, I forgot. There were not only synagogues but places of pagan worship. And those pagan worship centers had the signs changed out front after 312 when Constantine did a corporate take over of the B’nai Noach movement and turned them into churches.


50 posted on 04/14/2014 10:37:16 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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