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Pontius Pilate should have listened to his wife
Catholic Herald ^ | April 14, 2014 | FR ALEXANDER LUCIE-SMITH

Posted on 04/14/2014 2:40:46 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 04/14/2014 2:40:46 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 04/14/2014 2:41:04 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

I think it’s a bit of a stretch. The “wife had a dream” trope is found in Tacitus.


3 posted on 04/14/2014 2:43:11 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Entropy is high. Wear a hat!)
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To: NYer

I totally disagree. If Pilate had listened to her then we would not have been redeemed. I suspect that her dream was not of God.


4 posted on 04/14/2014 2:43:42 PM PDT by piusv
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To: NYer

No, he most definitely should have done exactly what he did.

Had he not done everything as he did, our savior would not have fulfilled the Passover, and we would be out of luck.
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5 posted on 04/14/2014 2:45:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NYer

Mark and Luke were much later (time of Paul) than Matthew, one of his disciples..


6 posted on 04/14/2014 2:46:45 PM PDT by Red Badger (LIberal is an oxymoron......................)
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To: NYer

Men should always listen to their wives. ;)


7 posted on 04/14/2014 2:47:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer; left that other site
so. pontius pilate listens to his wife, Jesus is not crucified, and then there is NO redemption or salvation for anyone......

thank the Lord that His Word was fulfilled and the blood of Jesus atoned for man's sin and we can repent and be restored to a relationship with God the Father and be free from sin and death to have eternal life with Him.

8 posted on 04/14/2014 2:49:05 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: Tax-chick

The wife’s dream is in Matthew.

Her input was most likely why Pilate issued the traditional Passover declaration for the Passover lamb: That it is without fault.

Those words were just as important as Yeshua’s words, which were the traditional utterance of the High Priest: “It is finished.”
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9 posted on 04/14/2014 2:50:13 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NYer

I just finished reading “Characters of the Passion” by Fulton J. Sheen.

He talks about Claudia, the only Roman woman to mentioned in Scripture.

Indeed as the text says: **Pilate’s wife is a Roman matron of the upper class**

Sheen’s book compared her with Herodias, and Claudia came out winners. Short and great read.


10 posted on 04/14/2014 2:50:41 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: editor-surveyor

That makes sense, in a way.


11 posted on 04/14/2014 2:56:22 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Entropy is high. Wear a hat!)
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To: trisham

Men should always listen to their wives. ;)


Beat me to it!

:-)


12 posted on 04/14/2014 2:57:31 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: NYer
Since this isn't a caucus thread, I'll point out there is quite a bit of error contained in this article. It looks like something you might find from any liberal mainline protestant 'scholar'.

First, it suggests at human authors of the scriptures, rather than it being the work of the Holy Spirit. "Did Luke and Mark also come across this verse but decide not to include it, not seeing its purpose?" "St Matthew brings Pilate’s wife on stage for one verse only, for a very simple reason, because he needs her for one verse only". The scriptures are THE word of God. Turn from false teachers who treat it as a human construct.

Pilate was used by God. His decision was not wrong. The author would seem to prefer a result that would strip us of the work of Christ on our behalf, and consign us to hell. " But Pilate does not listen, and comes to the wrong judgement"

13 posted on 04/14/2014 2:58:28 PM PDT by PAR35
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What if Pilate had done something that wasn’t written in the script and shipped Jesus off to, say, Alexandria, which had a large Jewish community? Somehow, I believe prophecy would still have found a way to be fulfilled.


14 posted on 04/14/2014 3:04:02 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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but in the time of the evangelists the novel was unknown,

No, it was not.

Rome had a major "pulp fiction" industry going that kept going until they lost control of Egypt and the supply of cheap paper vanished.

Just a nit-pick I know but the early Romans are kind of a hobby of mine.

15 posted on 04/14/2014 3:06:28 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: NYer

It is an interesting passage and I’ve often wondered it’s meaning. My own take is that it just demonstrated that Pilate had every reason to release Jesus:

1. Pilate’s interrogation of Jesus demonstrated to him that Jesus was NOT a threat to the Roman government, nor was He guilty of anything deserving death.

2. Pilate’s investigation into the whole matter demonstrated to him that the only reason Jesus was brought before him was because of jealousy by the religious leaders - he knew their accusations were a fraud.

They wanted to kill Jesus for blasphemy, but they couldn’t by Roman law - only Pilate could invoke the death penalty. To get that, they needed a charge that would make Jesus guilty of some crime against Rome for which death was the penalty. So, they made up the story about Jesus speaking against Caesar. Pilate saw through that fairly quickly.

3. Pilate’s wife’s warning to him regarding Jesus was just one more bit of evidence that Jesus was completely innocent of any crime against God or man.

4. Pilate WAS going to release Jesus, but because the crowd had been whipped up into a frenzy against Jesus (by the religious leaders), he caved and turned over a completely innocent man over to be executed in one of the most horrendous ways imaginable.

All of this was to demonstrate that Jesus was the sinless, perfect Lamb of God, who took on the sins of the world by taking on Himself the guilt of our sin and enduring the wrath of God that we justly deserved. Only He, as God in the flesh, could remove our guilt by His guiltless, sinless life, His sacrificing of Himself in our behalf.


17 posted on 04/14/2014 3:16:47 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: pax_et_bonum

:)


18 posted on 04/14/2014 3:19:39 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: piusv

I’m in agreement with you.God had a plan.


19 posted on 04/14/2014 3:42:12 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: PAR35

Indeed, the author might spend some time reading the Catechism:

II. Inspiration and Truth of Sacred Scripture

105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. “The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.”69

“For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself.”70

106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. “To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more.”71

107 The inspired books teach the truth. “Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures.”72

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__PP.HTM


20 posted on 04/14/2014 3:58:53 PM PDT by PAR35
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