Skip to comments.Eating unworthily of the Tree of Life
Posted on 04/18/2014 8:25:38 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
April 16, 2014 (ALL.org) - In the Garden of Eden, as all Christians know, Adam and Eve brought the curse of death upon all mankind by eating the fruit from the tree forbidden by Godthe tree of knowledge of good and evil. The tree was in the center of the garden, was beautiful to look at, and produced fruit that appeared desirable. But God had told Adam and Eve that if they ate the fruit of this tree, they would die. And the devil, in his cunning, tempted Eve to eat this fruit by saying, What is this talk of death? God knows well that as soon as you eat this fruit your eyes will be opened, and you yourselves will be like gods, knowing good and evil. So, Adam and Eve ate the fruit and immediately became aware of their sin, and as God had warned, their punishment was indeed death.
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The tree of life is reserved by God for Himself. Partaking of His fruit denies His authority. Hubris is the sin of taking on the role of God in our lives. It is placing one’s authority over God. All of the sins you list are committed as acts of disobedience of God’s authority.
Was thinking of this very subject yesterday.
I am a protestant (born-again) Christian, and I don’t completely agree with the article in regard to “mortal sin and the like (God gives grace, and it isn’t obedience that saves but faith), however the main point of the article about Adam and Eve being saved from eternal (death) life in their sins is correct. ONLY Jesus gives us true eternal life.
It makes me wonder about other subjects like: What is the “mark of the beast” could it be a way that sinful (unrepentant) men will in the future seek out “immortality” through radical science/transhumanism (in which God gives them what they want..) but this “immortality” leading to eternal death when He eventually judges them at the end of this age? Makes one wonder..
**God gives grace, and it isnt obedience that saves but faith**
to me this is fallacy. You say that you can have faith, but if you go out and kill someone or do not honor your father and mother as the Ten Commandments say — then you are OK, is that how you think?
That can’t be true in my way of thinking. Christ emphasized obedience all along. It’s even in the Bible.
Paraphrasing after finding Jesus in the temple....”and he went home with them and was obedient to them.”
Have you kept all commandments: ALL of the time?
If not then I rest my case..
Jesus has said:
“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.” Revelation 2: 7 K. J. V.
He speaks of it again and says:
“In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.” Revelation 22:2 K.J.V.
And finally He says:
“Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.” Revelation 22:14 K.J.V.
What if you have faith, yet you hate God with all your heart and laugh at his commandments every day of your life?
Then I guess you don’t really have faith, do you?
Once one has had a changed heard through realizing God’s Grace in giving Christ a sacrifice for one’s personal sin (for WHICH I VERY MUCH DESERVE HELL AND DEATH) one can’t go about acting like you just described once the Holy Spirit has caused a person to be “born of the spirit” (He wouldn’t be very effective if He couldn’t do this in a person’s life). I am not the only one I submit the life of the apostle Paul as but one example, and others as well including old testament believers like Abraham and King David (who were very much sinners, but through belief in their future Messiah-Jesus) they too were saved!
-Happy Easter, btw Y’all ;)!
That’s why Catholics have the Sacrament of Reconciliation. We don’t pretend to be saved. We know we are sinners.
The vast majority of the Catholic bishops in the U.S. are ignoring their strict obligation to obey Canon 915—i.e., to deny Communion to a large number of Catholics who promote abortion. (A category that is coterminous with those who promote same-sex marriage, euthanasia, fetal experimentation, etc.)
There are many reasons for this. Some bishops are secretly pro-abortion. Others are leading, or have led, personal lives of serious corruption, and could be easily exposed by angry pro-aborts. Then there is the Church’s deep dependence on government money. Many bishops are socialists, and agree with the Abortion Party’s socialist agenda, and refuse to protect the Eucharist from sacrilege because doing so would lose some votes for the socialists.
These motives are clear in the public statements of Cardinals Wuerl, Dolan, and O’Malley, and other bishops. They have spoken of the “need” not to “appear to be singling out one political party.”
What we have is an overwhelming lawless majority among the bishops.
So you are a Repentant sinner? Or just every few days, or so? Where is the Faith, in an unending, supposed retrieval from sin, by the Sacrament of Reconciliation? “Go forth and sin no more...”, right? Why would true faith in God, be so staggeringly unstable?
No one’s pretending to be saved, I know that I AM “by Grace, through faith..”
Sacrament or not, that’s just a symbol of the real thing. And may I add if you’re personally using it not as a reminder of Christ’s sacrifice by faith and instead as your personal act of taking this as “doing good” (or whatever you’d call it) then that would be a work and wouldn’t be faith.
The tree of life was a tangible, literal tree... like the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
The tree of life is NOT a figurative representation of Jesus.
Jesus IS the way truth AND THE Life... but that doesn’t make Him the “Tree of Life”.
God drove out Adam and Eve from the Garden SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT EAT of the tree of life and be lost forever.
Point being, even if you COULD eat of the tree of life today, it would condemn you forever regardless of what you believe... simply because that tree would give eternal life to a corrupted body which must die before it can be resurrected by God back into perfection.
This is a horrible doctrine which borrows from the Lords Supper warning; not to take these sacrements unworthily lest you become sick or die.
The very first negative commandment was “Do not eat of the tree...”. It was a Kosher Law, about what to eat. One could then deduce that it matters to G-d what you eat. It is interesting to note that in Acts 15 the proselites were required to immediately change their eating habits in order to be accepted into the “kahal” of the growing Nazarine movement. Life comes as a result of obedience and, I have it on good authority that death is the result of disobedience. “Choose Life”, eat properly, be well, and may the G-d of Israel bless you in all that you do.
brillIant comment. I had never thought of the immortality connection to the mark. very good
Jesus stated, to not worry about what you eat with your mouth, as much as what comes “out of your mouth.” Torah got that covered?
Of course Torah has me covered! Yeshua said that all commandments will be in force until the end of the cosmos. Not one yud shall pass from the Torah (Matt 5). The comment you cite refers to snacking without washing your hands first, within the CONTEXT of a kosher lifestyle. Yeshua’s words actually say that the body “purges all foods”. And “foods” are those things that may be eaten. He was correcting a Halacha that went beyond the plain teaching of the Torah. Of course what goes on in the heart is of greater importance and that point of view is a central teaching of Torah. How is it that you do not understand this? Do you not know that Yeshua is the living Torah, a burning fire in the form of a man?
>>> Do not eat of the tree.... It was a Kosher Law, about what to eat. One could then deduce that it matters to G-d what you eat.
Before they sinned, there was no “Law” except that of sin and death. The sin was not in the eating so much as it was disobedience and abandonment of God (Satan told them they could be like God if they ate it)
As far as deducing things, there is no need here, because we see clearly that the fruit of this particular tree had physical attributes which directly affected man’s spiritual and physical attributes. The fruit literally gave them the knowledge of good and evil. This is something they were NOT ready for, and in their sin they corrupted their flesh.
The tree of life as well had physical/spiritual qualities that would have rendered them irreconcilable if they had eaten of it as well, once they were corrupted. This is why God in His mercy drove them out of the garden lest they eat of it.
Kocher laws (what we should or shouldn’t eat) pertains to “unclean” food which represents a risk to physical health.
But remember also, that Peter was given the vision of the sheet which shows animals coming out and with these words, “take, kill, eat”. That means the believers in Jesus were to be freed from the kosher diet laws in Acts.
As long as bishops can make the call and never be questioned about their decisions, it will never change.
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, Catholics in Political Life, Origins 34/7 (1 July 2004) 97, 99, on-line here.
“Given the wide range of circumstances involved in arriving at a prudential judgment on a matter of this seriousness, we recognize that such decisions rest with the individual bishop in accord with the established canonical and pastoral principles. Bishops can legitimately make different judgments on the most prudent course of pastoral action”.
Absolutely every element of that statement is a LIE.
Circumstances are IRRELEVANT, because giving Communion to pro-aborts is ALWAYS gravely sinful. "Prudence" is never involved when it's a question of committing a mortal sin. The decision does NOT rest with the bishop, because NO ONE has the authority to command anyone to commit a mortal sin. Bishops CANNOT make different decisions because NO bishop has the authority to negate the mandate of Canon 915. Cf. http://tinyurl.com/pont915 See section #4.
Good. I am simple minded. You are covered.
That’s nonsense! Do you not know the Masters own words? ...that the Torah is Eternal and will never pass away? ...not one jot or tittle? Look at Peters words. “ Lord, unclean food has never passed my lips!” After the Spirit falls on the Gentiles Peter exclaims “now I understand what the vision meant! That we should not call other men common or unclean! For every nation that WORKETH righteousness is acceptable with Him! Righteousness is ascribed to us by Grace for our justification and it is fulfilled in us when we keep G-d’s commandments. That is why we are here. To obey His commandments and teach others to do so as we’ll. The Torah is not a buffet restaurant, where we can choose what we want to do. It is a living reality. It’s an organic whole and nobody, not even the pope has the right to dissect it and declare some of it null and void. The disintegration of Christianity, and consequently the West a large is due to the inherent weakness of this great betrayal. If the Kosher Laws have been abolished then who’s to say that sexuality laws haven’t been abrogated as well. This is what is meant by the statement that one who “breaks” one of the commandments is guilty of breaking them all. Torah is a unity just as G-d is a Unity. Like a chain, when you break ( Annul) one commandment the chain and its continuity is broken. Your structure may survive for centuries but when enough pressure is brought to bear upon it, it will fail. We are witnessing a catastrophe and it won’t stop until people do Teshuvah (repent) I.e. ‘return’ to the root and ground of truth, the teaching of Yeshua, the living Torah in the flesh.
In truth, Christians are only required to keep the 10 Commandments, the laws of Noah, and the two great laws to love God, and neighbors, that is it. It is NOT nonsense!
Please see post number 27, thank-you!
It is not doing kosher, that is for the Jewish people ONLY.
Christians are saved by the precious blood of Jesus which He shed.