Skip to comments.Canonization of popes John Paul II, John XXIII to draw millions to Rome
Posted on 04/20/2014 10:45:40 AM PDT by Old Yeller
Easter services today are expected to kick off a record-breaking week at the Vatican. Two beloved modern popes John Paul II and John XXIII are to be canonized at the Vatican next Sunday by Pope Francis. There will be services all week, which could draw the most pilgrims ever to the Catholic capital. John Paul II is remembered for helping to bring down communism and for inspiring a generation of Catholics.
Many now call him The Great, only the fourth pope to have earned the moniker. And while much of the crowds focus will be on the Polish popes remarkable achievements, Pope John XXIII known as the Good Pope for his kindhearted nature was no less revolutionary. Pope Francis bypassed the second miracle typically required for canonization for John XXIII, declaring that he deserved the honor for having convened the Second Vatican Council.
Rome officials said they expected 3 million visitors in the city during the period from the Easter celebrations this weekend and the canonization next Sunday. Nineteen heads of state and 24 prime ministers are expected to attend the canonization ceremony in St. Peters Square. In line with Pope Franciss no-frills papacy, organizers said the canonizations would be a much more sober affair than the three-day extravaganza that marked John Pauls beatification, the last step before sainthood, in 2011. Cardinal Agostino Vallini, the vicar of Rome, said some churches would remain open overnight on the eve of the canonization to provide a spiritual retreat for pilgrims, but not much else.
Francis has long signaled his support for making a saint of John Paul II, whose funeral nine years ago saw mourners chant, Santo subito [Saint now]!
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I heard some liberals say that these popes being declared saints is a political move. Leave it to the liberals to rain on someone else’s parade. These liberals aren’t even faithful Catholics, so what is it to them, what the Catholic church does?
Besides, liberals are supposed to be tolerant. They tell us to be tolerant of others and what they are doing.
You guessed it.
Have a cookie.
By taking the name John XXIII, he settled the question of whether the previous John XXIII was an anti-pope.
It is highly irregular for the Catholic Church to canonize anyone -- let alone a pope -- so soon after they've died. If you go back over history you'll find that it usually takes centuries of intense research and scrutiny before they would ever canonize a saint who was such a high-profile figure. I believe there have only been three popes canonized who served after 1200 A.D.
I would say that John XXIII’s convening of Vatican II is a giant blot on an otherwise edifying life story.
I’m sure these are worthy men ... but life is about a relationship with Jesus. . .sometimes people get so caught up in the moment and forget The Real Bottomline.
2,000 years ago, the Son of God rose from the grave, after being tortured and murdered on a cross, so that the penalty of sin would be paid for all of humanity, and Hell itself could be avoided if we only accepted the Christ in our hearts.
Of all days to peddle this idolatry, did the Vatican have to pick the Resurrection Day of Jesus Christ?
I think both canonizations are premature.
John XXIII convened Vatican II. Huge mistake.
JPII neglected major parts of his job. His episcopal appointments were wretched, and as complaints about Hunthausen, Weakland, Clark, Hubbard, and others piled up, he did nothing. He was a dupe of the repellent Maciel.
Obama is sending three reliably pro-abortion Catholics to the canonization. They will all be given Communion.
“By taking the name John XXIII, he settled the question of whether the previous John XXIII was an anti-pope.”
Since the original “John XXIII” willingly renounced any claims to the papacy and recognized Martin V it would seem that was taken care of in the 15th century. As a final jibe at Martin V, however, his supporters made sure that his tomb inscription said: “John the former pope”. Martin V was furious, but let it stand.
“Of all days to peddle this idolatry, did the Vatican have to pick the Resurrection Day of Jesus Christ?”
Of all days to peddle your false accusations of idolatry, did you have to pick the Resurrection Day of Jesus Christ?
“It is highly irregular for the Catholic Church to canonize anyone — let alone a pope — so soon after they’ve died. If you go back over history you’ll find that it usually takes centuries of intense research and scrutiny before they would ever canonize a saint who was such a high-profile figure. I believe there have only been three popes canonized who served after 1200 A.D.”
Not exactly. Padre Pio was canonized 34 years after his death. John XXIII? 52 years after his death. St. Francis of Assisi was canonized only two years after his death. It varies wildly from saint to saint.
It never lets up does it.
Oh, fuss, fuss, fuss.
What Drudge posts doesn’t effect your responsibility for what you post.
If you don't, then look inward.
There’s nothing wrong with that or this: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/events/Ceremonies/WreathLayings.aspx
Can you please call this very special Sunday by its real title “Easter Sunday” . Thank-you!
Christ is RISEN! He is RISEN indeed!
If you want to know, the canonizations will not take place until next Sunday.
Yep, this thread has become “Catholic bashing central” for today.
If I’m not wrong all the Bishops you mentioned were recommended by Bernardin and Jadot.
On February 2, 1977, Hubbard was appointed Bishop of Albany by Pope Paul VI. He received his episcopal consecration on the following March 27 from Cardinal Terence Cooke, with Bishops Edwin B. Broderick and Edward Joseph Maginn serving as co-consecrators. He was the youngest bishop in the country at the time.
I didn’t say JPII appointed all of them. I said that JPII did nothing about them even though he knew all about their abuses—liturgical and theological.
Convening Vatican II is the stated reason that Pope Francis forfeited the requirement for a second miracle in the canonization of Pope John 23rd.
“John XXIII convened Vatican II. Huge mistake”.
Pope Francis doesn’t seem to think it was a mistake and has said the reason he forfeited the second miracle for John the 23rd is because John convened Vatican II.
In the case of JP2 two miracles have already been attributed to his intercession and Pope Benedict waived the 5 year wait requirement before the canonization process can be initiated.
Catholic theologians usually cite JP2 was one of the greatest pope’s in history. He’s already being called “Great” and only five other popes in history have been honored with that designation.
Hopefully Mother Teresa will be be canonized in the near future.
This is nothing more than the canonization of Vatican II.
God help us.
How wonderful this double canonizations will take place, on the beautiful feast day of the great “ Divine Mercy “, April 27, 2014.
Koran-kissing “saint” JPII.
Like I said, God help us.
Can you explain this contradiction to me? The angels themselves vehemently prohibit worship of themselves. So did Moses. So did Paul, so did Peter, and all the apostles. So did the prophets of God.
8I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9But he said to me, Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.
As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26 But Peter made him get up. Stand up, he said, I am only a man myself.
This attitude every man and woman should have. None of us are worthy of worship. We are to avoid idolatry in all circumstances, including the worship of humans (1 Corinthians 10:14). The synonyms of idolatry are idolization, fetishization, fetishism, idol worship, adulation, adoration, reverence, veneration, glorification, lionization, and hero-worshiping.
Given this truth, explain to my why this is Biblical?
In the traditional sense, I disagree that love and respect of our popes is idolatry. However, the reactions and defense I have seen by Catholics of recent popes most definitely verge on papal idolatry.
How is that reconciled with the Scriptures? Could not Peter or the angels have simply justified bowing before them as "love and respect?" Or did they reply No! - do not do that, because only God deserves that worship?
However, the reactions and defense I have seen by Catholics of recent popes most definitely verge on papal idolatry.
Agree. Why do you think that this behavior, which the Scripture clearly condemn in the strongest of terms, endures?
“Can you explain this contradiction to me?”
There is no contradiction. No one worships the pope or an image of the pope.
“Given this truth, explain to my why this is Biblical?”
Treating images or people with respect is not unbiblical. Images were used in the Temple: 1 Kings 6:23
People were treated with honor: 1 Kings 2:19
I once asked a moronic anti-Catholic bigot who posted pictures just like the ones you posted how he proposed to his wife. Did he get on one knee? Did he attest to his love and devotion to her? Did he give her flowers and an expensive ring? You should have seen him scramble for an explanation of how that was all okay, but to treat the pope with respect was wrong! Hilarious.
Yet I also see traditional Catholics defend TLM which is on the verge of being idolatry of a certain mass rite.
BINGO! We have a winner!
“However, the reactions and defense I have seen by Catholics of recent popes most definitely verge on papal idolatry.”
And you think Catholics treated Pius V or Innocent III or Pius IX with less honor than the last three popes? Really?
“Yet I also see traditional Catholics defend TLM which is on the verge of being idolatry of a certain mass rite.”
Ouch! That’ll leave a mark.
What troubles me is putting one rite down over a another.
Forgive me for being so hard, very exhusted from a busy Holy Easter weekend.
Post 35 is correct, it is simple “respect and honor” NOT worship.
An open admission that this canonization is politically motivated - an effort to sweep the turmoil unleashed by VII under the rug.
Have you done any comparative reasearch? It is beyond dispute that the Mass has been protestantized.
Your OPINION only.
Pre-Vatican II popes didn’t make comments that went against Catholic teaching. Francis does and Catholics still defend it.
Honor and defense of the indefensible : Apples and oranges.
LOL. Defending the traditional Catholic mass vs defending modernist comments of a pope.
Again, apples and oranges.
Not sure I’m following. Love and respect is not the same as worship.
“Pre-Vatican II popes didnt make comments that went against Catholic teaching. Francis does and Catholics still defend it.”
Oh, I see. So you’re saying that because the popes of old were all super-orthodox in your view they were worthy of papal idolatry (as you put it)? And since popes in the present day “went against Catholic teaching” in your opinion now, all-of-a-sudden, that “papal idolatry” is now bad? So it isn’t the “papal idolatry” that is wrong, it’s whether or not the pope is orthodox enough to warrant it according to piusv on FR?
NO, that’s not what I’m saying. Papal idolatry is wrong either way. My point is that in days of yore you wouldn’t have popes making modernist comments and the lay folk defending it. Now we have the lay folk defending Francis as if he can do no wrong despite his modernist, un-Catholic comments. Therein lies the idolatry.