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VANITY - I hear people talking about the Bible says, "not to judge" - what say you?
Did I say this is a vanity? | 4/20/2014 | STOCKPIRATE - vanity

Posted on 04/20/2014 12:15:02 PM PDT by stockpirate

I am hearing a lot of people say that the Bible teaches that we are not to judge someone over any issue, they say "God will judge"....

I don't think the Bible teaches it the they are saying and they also say that this is what their preacher teaches....

I'd like to hear from my fellow freepers on this...

Have a blessed Easter...


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Okay, I am hearing a lot of people say that the Bible teaches that we are not to judge someone over any issue, they say "God will judge"....

I don't think the Bible teaches it the they are saying and they also say that this is what their preacher teaches....

I'd like to hear from my fellow freepers on this...

Have a blessed Easter...

1 posted on 04/20/2014 12:15:02 PM PDT by stockpirate
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To: stockpirate

The whole lesson is to look at yourself first before you judge.


2 posted on 04/20/2014 12:18:35 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bmwcyle

NO It’s Not!


3 posted on 04/20/2014 12:19:51 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty and Let the the Stupid AmericanTaxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: stockpirate
It's always amusing when people who hate religion tell religious people what their religion says.
4 posted on 04/20/2014 12:20:32 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The best way to control opposition is to lead it ourselves." -- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin)
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To: stockpirate

The Bible calls us to judge whether our leaders are “above reproach”(1 Tim 3).

I think the Bible is referring to “condemning”. Everyone judges. When someone says you are judging someone, they are judging you.


5 posted on 04/20/2014 12:22:43 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: stockpirate

People love taking and twisting Scripture out of context. Usually whatever they are taking out of context is whatever they do or don’t want to happen to them, or to permit or not permit them to do something.

In this case people who don’t want any criticism for what they are doing in their lives say this.

They forget that the verses’ contexts are not that you can never judge something or anyone, but that you do not judge them any different than you would judge yourself - ie not to judge hypocritically, but rather, to judge righteously.

If we could never judge, we could never tell someone they wronged us, they could never apologize, nobody would ever learn correct behavior versus incorrect behavior. Nobody would ever have a chance to grow morally and spiritually as a Christian.

It’s an utter ridiculous statement to make. It gets tiring hearing it thrown about again and again.


6 posted on 04/20/2014 12:22:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: stockpirate

Judge not lest ye be judged.

Check the log in your own eye before you point out the speck in someone else’s


7 posted on 04/20/2014 12:23:10 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: stockpirate

If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin.

This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person and restoration to the fellowship.

We are to speak the truth in love We are to proclaim what God’s Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, “Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction.

We are to “judge” sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences.


8 posted on 04/20/2014 12:23:59 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty and Let the the Stupid AmericanTaxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

If you read the whole Chapter, you will know I am correct. I studied in church several times.


9 posted on 04/20/2014 12:25:59 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: stockpirate

The bible verses associated with this is often the woman accused of adultery. What most commentators fail to mention is the legal aspects of the witnesses who are required to testify. Two or more witnesses were required for a criminal charge and a witness had to have integrity. Also, the witnesses were required to throw the first stones.

When Jesus asked that those who are without sin to cast first stone, he was proving that the woman could not be found guilty under the law.


10 posted on 04/20/2014 12:26:20 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: stockpirate

alot of references, here are a few:

Luke 6:37
Matthew 7:1
Romans 2:

Mainly the theme is “Judge not, lest thee be judged”


11 posted on 04/20/2014 12:27:02 PM PDT by HippyLoggerBiker (Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake.)
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To: stockpirate

Anytime a liberal uses bible verses they are advancing their agenda. Some of the most abused are “brother’s keeper” and “turn the other cheek.” You will notice they never bring up leviticus.


12 posted on 04/20/2014 12:28:07 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: stockpirate

Galatians 6
1Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted


13 posted on 04/20/2014 12:29:25 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: stockpirate

The verse “thou shalt not judge” is not an ending. It continues on with “lest ye be judged”. It doesn’t say “don’t condemn immoral behavior”. It means “don’t be a hypocrite.”
If you are honest, you can call out liars. If you are loyal to your partner, you can criticize and condemn an adulterer. But don’t cheat on your wife only to criticize a man with a mistress.

The line has also been taken up by many liberal Christians (and liberals in general) to shut down Christians who condemn their activities. They reply to criticism of immorality with “God says don’t judge!” Actually, God and Christians should judge. It doesn’t mean don’t call out murderers, thieves, rapists and liars. It means don’t call them out and punish them harshly for what you yourself do.

The misinterpretation is promoted by the liberal media and political establishment to shut down any condemnation of their evils.


14 posted on 04/20/2014 12:30:20 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: stockpirate
It's a great thought that someone such as me gets a shot at the Kingdom even thought I seem to have failed one more time than succeeded at getting on the right path. I hope Jesus was telling us how his Father looks at these things i.e. I hope he is willing to forgive 70 x 7 times.

I may be guilty of judging, and that might be one more thing where I need that forgiveness. I surely hate the idea of being judged by those standards I have applied to others from time to time.

15 posted on 04/20/2014 12:31:04 PM PDT by stevem
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To: stockpirate

Most of the time, when this is heard, it is because it has been pointed out that certain behaviors are wrong.

The person being addressed, then perhaps feeling a bit of conviction due to the wrong (sinful) behavior being addressed, counters with ‘Don’t judge me’. It is meant to shut you up, similar to ‘racist’ ‘bigot’ ‘homophobe’ are used.

Calling out a wrong behavior is NOT judging. I can see and know, based on the Bible and scripture, if a behavior is sin. And it is ok to identify and address it.

Judgement is for God to do. I can NOT judge who will go to Hell. But I can see behaviors and in love say “If you continue down that path, if you do not consider and change your ways, Hell probably awaits”.

But our society has gone far down the road of moral relativism. “ Who are YOU to say what is right for ME?”

Speaking the Truth, Biblically, and in love, is not judging. It is God and His Word that will judge.


16 posted on 04/20/2014 12:35:36 PM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Raycpa

Also, weren’t the Philisines who brought the woman to Jesus trying to catch Him being contradictory about what He taught? I was under the impression that this example really has little to do with judgement.


17 posted on 04/20/2014 12:36:24 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: stockpirate
i have absolutely no problem judging pedophiles, nor casting the first stone...
18 posted on 04/20/2014 12:38:47 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: goodwithagun

Yes. His response is more amazing when you know the law about witnesses and their requirements.


19 posted on 04/20/2014 12:38:54 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: stockpirate

You’re right, the Bible does not teach us to refrain from judgment of behavior. Scripture actually tells us to make a righteous judgment. Peter called Ananias and Saphira liars; Paul called the Galatians fools.

The Bible lays out a standard for us to live by. We have to be able to judge between right and wrong...how else can we be truthful and accurate about the Bible’s message?

When you hear someone say, “Oh, you can’t judge!”, it usually tends to be someone who is more of a moral relativist instead of someone who stands by the Bible’s firm moral absolutes.

Those folks often try to use Jesus’s words in Matthew 7 to prove their point:

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” (Matthew 7:3-5)

When you read it, you see that He is telling us HOW to judge, not that we should refrain from judging...”and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” In other words, don’t judge a behavior if you’re doing the same thing yourself.


20 posted on 04/20/2014 12:39:08 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Chode

Only first hand witnesses cast first stone.


21 posted on 04/20/2014 12:39:53 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: stockpirate
Luke 6:37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.

John 7:24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

1 Corinthians 6:2-3 "Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?"

1 Corinthians 11:31 "But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged."

James 4:11 "Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge of it."

And the grand-daddy of 'em all, Romans 14:
1 Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions.
2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.
3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.
4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself;
8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11 For it is written,

“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall give praise to God.”

12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.
13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way.
14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
16 Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil;
17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
18 For he who in this way serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men.
19 So then we pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another.
20 Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense.
21 It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles.
22 The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin."

HF

22 posted on 04/20/2014 12:40:13 PM PDT by holden
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To: bmwcyle
There is more to the passage. We are also specifically told to judge fellow believers:
1 Cor 5:11But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church2 whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

IMHO people say we are not to judge just to shut us down. They will say just calling a sin sin we are judging. I think that is not judging but calling an immoral behavior what it is. I can't condemn anyone, which in my mind is part of what judging is.

23 posted on 04/20/2014 12:40:30 PM PDT by Gamecock (If the cross is not foolishness to the lost world then we have misrepresented the cross." S.L.)
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To: stockpirate
Matthew 7

“Do not judge, so that you won’t be judged. 2 For with the judgment you use,[a] you will be judged, and with the measure you use,[b] it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye but don’t notice the log in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and look, there’s a log in your eye? 5 Hypocrite! First take the log out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. 6 Don’t give what is holy to dogs or toss your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them with their feet, turn, and tear you to pieces.

24 posted on 04/20/2014 12:40:39 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: RoadGumby

Thank you for your post!

We don’t judge, God does. But we sure have an obligation to teach what we know, in order to help people we love.


25 posted on 04/20/2014 12:40:46 PM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Chode

Nor locating a millstone and the nearest body of water.


26 posted on 04/20/2014 12:41:15 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Raycpa
yeah i know, today it's throw the switch or push the button, what ever it takes...
27 posted on 04/20/2014 12:43:08 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: goodwithagun
works for me
28 posted on 04/20/2014 12:44:37 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: HippyLoggerBiker

“Judge, and, prepare to be Judged.”


29 posted on 04/20/2014 12:44:40 PM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: stockpirate
Earlier, the Eastern Philosophers said it a bit differently:

“"Judgment is not necessary."”

Not judging is difficult. This indicates a good chance that it's good advice. It's so satisfying to point out the imperfections of others, especially if one has self-image problems. The rationalization that one is helping or showing love by pointing out to others the error of their ways is more often veiled scolding for self-satisfaction.

Judgment also relates to other deadly sins, pride and jealousy for example.

Judgment can be positive or negative, but it sounds like most only think of it as negative. Explore that the Bible does not differentiate between the two, and neither did the Eastern Philosophers.

30 posted on 04/20/2014 12:50:18 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: stockpirate

I readily admit that I cannot say that I fully understand with specificity what it means to ‘judge not lest ye be judged’. But I will verbalize what it means to me. I can tell someone knowing I have no authority to send anyone, for them to ‘go to .ell’. However, I have no authority to tell someone they are going to .ell’, or judge that is where they will end up going.

I think it means making an assessment of any person’s ultimate end.


31 posted on 04/20/2014 12:53:43 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: goodwithagun

Who? Do you mean the Pharisees? The Philistines were the enemies of Israel during King David’s time.


32 posted on 04/20/2014 1:00:37 PM PDT by madison10
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To: stockpirate
(Righteously) Judge our religious/secular leaders and fellow believers using the Word as the guide.

Welcome and maintain your principles with non-believers, but God is their judge.

33 posted on 04/20/2014 1:09:56 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Nifster

Verse 6 of the same chapter, Matt 7, says: Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

How do we know who are the dogs or the pigs if we don’t judge?

The term is used differently now than then. We are not to judge in the sense of condemning to eternal hell, we ARE to be discerning.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

1 John 4:1 (KJV) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1 Cor 2:15 (KJV) But he that is spiritual judgeth all things...

In first Corinthians Paul is concerned because the church is not exercising judgement within the body.
1 Corinthians 5:12-6:5(AKJV) 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

Luke 12:57(KJV) Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?


34 posted on 04/20/2014 1:12:31 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: stockpirate
We are told to "NIV Lev 19:17 “ ‘Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt." So clearly recognizing sin and calling sin out is not the kind of judging that we should not do.

We are also told, "KJV Eze 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand."

But the New Testament tells us not to judge, lest we be judged. So what's the difference?

The kind of judging the Christian should not do is what Jonah did. God told Jonah to go preach to Ninevah. Everyone knew Ninevah was wicked. Neither God nor Johan was wrong to have judged Ninevah and called them wicked. They were.

But Jonah refused to go. Jonah didn't think Ninevah was worthy of God's grace and didn't want to tell them about it. God lets Jonah sit in a belly of a fish and think about his refusal to go to Ninevah. So Jonah goes, but when Ninevah repents, Jonah get's angry. Reach Jonah chapter 4. The whole book of Jonah is small.

That's the kind of judging we are forbidden to do. We are sinners saved not by our works but by God's grace. And so we should never look down on others and consider them unworthy of God's grace.

Jesus also said, Mat 7 to first remove the plank in your own eye so that you can see clearly to remove the speck in your neighbor's eye. Notice he doesn't say it's wrong to try to remove the speck in your neighbor, but to make sure first that you are prepared and have dealt with your own issues.

35 posted on 04/20/2014 1:17:09 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: stockpirate
We are told to "NIV Lev 19:17 “ ‘Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt." So clearly recognizing sin and calling sin out is not the kind of judging that we should not do.

We are also told, "KJV Eze 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand."

But the New Testament tells us not to judge, lest we be judged. So what's the difference?

The kind of judging the Christian should not do is what Jonah did. God told Jonah to go preach to Ninevah. Everyone knew Ninevah was wicked. Neither God nor Johan was wrong to have judged Ninevah and called them wicked. They were.

But Jonah refused to go. Jonah didn't think Ninevah was worthy of God's grace and didn't want to tell them about it. God lets Jonah sit in a belly of a fish and think about his refusal to go to Ninevah. So Jonah goes, but when Ninevah repents, Jonah get's angry. Reach Jonah chapter 4. The whole book of Jonah is small.

That's the kind of judging we are forbidden to do. We are sinners saved not by our works but by God's grace. And so we should never look down on others and consider them unworthy of God's grace.

Jesus also said, Mat 7 to first remove the plank in your own eye so that you can see clearly to remove the speck in your neighbor's eye. Notice he doesn't say it's wrong to try to remove the speck in your neighbor, but to make sure first that you are prepared and have dealt with your own issues.

36 posted on 04/20/2014 1:17:10 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: stockpirate
we are not to judge someone over any issue

I'm not sure what "any issue" might mean, but the "don't judge" idea to me is two-fold, cautionary, practical advice.

I'm new at this, but my understanding so far is, God is Judge and no one else. Judging is His job. Why? I can think of several reasons, but mainly because He created all and He's perfect.

We aren't perfect. We're sinners, no matter what our good works, nor what form they may take. We are sinners, each and every one of us.

Our imperfections, as God sees them, make us imperfect, sometimes harmful judges, perhaps even hypocrites, in His view. So, we're not to take God's job and do His judging.

Why? Well, mainly because He said so, but also because everything comes back around, one way or another. It's a part of His rules and how he built the world. There are many ways to say it.

For example, "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us" is one way to say it.

"Judge not, that ye not be judged" is another.

It all comes back around and is used for you or against you. Your call either way. Use your free will wisely.

Personally, I think it can be a very hard rule to follow, especially with politicians.

None the less, Jesus loves us all the same and wants us to be like Him and do as He does, even if that means loving the neighbors who don't "deserve" it, or even those who have earned wrath instead.

If I think of it, I try to remember to take a deep breath, count to 5 or ten or so and remind myself that "He will Judge me, too."

37 posted on 04/20/2014 1:18:55 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Doomonyou

Yet in John 7:24 Jesus says, “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment” hmmm...


38 posted on 04/20/2014 1:22:48 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: stevem
The words of Jesus are quite clear on this:

“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matthew 6:14-15


“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

Matthew 7:1-2


The bottom line is that we are to trust God to take care of these things. When we judge others, we are effectively saying that we don't trust God to see it and resolve it the way we think it should be done. But the good news is that we still have the opportunity to clean up our past by repenting for our past judgments, turning them over to Him, and declaring our trust in Him to resolve them in the way He sees fit. The truth of the matter is that we don't have full information on anything. But God does.

39 posted on 04/20/2014 1:32:11 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: stockpirate

This “do not judge” crap, I think, started with Phil Donohue on his sad talk show...and is liberalism to the core....if we do not judge, then everything/anything is ok to do, say, act on, adopt, etc.
We judge every day...particularly in court rooms...we live by laws that tell us what is wrong and what is right. No laws = total chaos and results in an uncivilized society...


40 posted on 04/20/2014 1:33:22 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: tbw2

You said that so well...excellent...


41 posted on 04/20/2014 1:35:35 PM PDT by matginzac
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To: stockpirate
Justice is first making a moral judgment about someone or something, and then giving that person what he deserves in accordance with that judgement.You can't have justice without judgments.

Making moral judgments about a person's character is a requirement for life proper to a rational being. It could make the difference between life or death.

42 posted on 04/20/2014 1:36:51 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: rollo tomasi

Context, Hoss, Context.


43 posted on 04/20/2014 1:42:32 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: stockpirate

But we can judge sin.


44 posted on 04/20/2014 1:42:39 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: stockpirate

It’s a two-fold answer, if you read Christ’s parable fully. The first is that you shouldn’t be concerned about other people’s sins, only your own. However, if you see the need to serve in terms of pointing out somebody’s sins, you’d better be walking the walk because will be looking to see if you’re consistent in your speech and actions.


45 posted on 04/20/2014 1:51:36 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Hoodat
15 “If your brother sins against you,[a] go and rebuke him in private.[b] If he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 But if he won’t listen, take one or two more with you, so that by the testimony[c] of two or three witnesses every fact may be established.[d]
46 posted on 04/20/2014 1:52:10 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Hoodat
"When we judge others, we are effectively saying that we don't trust God to see it and resolve it the way we think it should be done."

So open adultery, lying, fornication, sexual immorality, apostasy, etc. should run rampant in the Church?

How about leaders ordering you to defy God's commands?

Also, does God wants us to be Spiritually gutless assuming He will take care of converting "free willers" in the Church?

And finally, does God want us to worship under false teachers?

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone (Judging others, hmmm). If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

Contradicts your quote in bold at the top, hmmm... What exactly does "judge" mean in the different CONTEXT throughout the Word? We are to be wise while building strong foundations, not fools and excusing behaviors based on Spiritual impotence.
47 posted on 04/20/2014 1:52:49 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Doomonyou

What is the context of Matthew 7? I get hypocrisy, not discernment because if this is strictly discernment, then Jesus was one *hypocritical* teacher based on what he says later in Matthew.


48 posted on 04/20/2014 1:56:39 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi
What is the context of Matthew 7? I get hypocrisy, not discernment because if this is strictly discernment, then Jesus was one *hypocritical* teacher based on what he says later in Matthew.

21 “I did one work, and you are all amazed,” Jesus answered. 22 “Consider this: Moses has given you circumcision—not that it comes from Moses but from the fathers—and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. 23 If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses won’t be broken, are you angry at Me because I made a man entirely well on the Sabbath? 24 Stop judging according to outward appearances; rather judge according to righteous judgment.”

This is the context of John 7.

Mathew 7:

7 “Do not judge, so that you won’t be judged. 2 For with the judgment you use,[a] you will be judged, and with the measure you use,[b] it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye but don’t notice the log in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and look, there’s a log in your eye? 5 Hypocrite! First take the log out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. 6 Don’t give what is holy to dogs or toss your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them with their feet, turn, and tear you to pieces.

Can't see the difference?

49 posted on 04/20/2014 2:07:28 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: rollo tomasi
So open adultery, lying, fornication, sexual immorality, apostasy, etc. should run rampant in the Church?

The statement I made above has absolutely no connection whatsoever to the question you posed. I am truly at a loss as to how easily you confused 'judgment' with 'sin'. But to answer your question, it already does.

Contradicts your quote in bold at the top, hmmm...

Making another person aware of their sin is not the same as judging them. Not even close.

When you pass judgment on another, you are effectively passing a sentence upon that person. Pointing out the sin of another out of love in order that they may turn away from that sin is not what judgment is.

50 posted on 04/20/2014 2:16:29 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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