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Bible Critic Says Jesus Isn't God, Stephen Colbert Leaves Him Speechless (Video)
Christian Post ^ | 04/17/2014 | BY JARED FREEMAN

Posted on 04/20/2014 4:36:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Stephen Colbert, Bart Ehrman (Screenshot: Comedy Central)

As we mentioned, Stephen Colbert, heir to David Letterman's chair on "The Late Show," openly talks about his Catholic faith. It's a surprise to those who know the comedian only as the satirical conservative host of "The Colbert Report."

In this April 2009 episode on Maundy Thursday, Colbert hosted Bart Ehrman, a prominent New Testament scholar and biblical critic.

As Ehrman points out contradictions he's found in the Bible, notably in the crucifixion of Jesus, Colbert takes him to task in his usual acerbic tone. But under the caricature, Colbert presents the divinity of Christ in ways that leave Ehrman at a loss for words.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; History; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: april2009; bartehrman; cbs; damagecontrol; davidletterman; divinity; jesus; maundythursday; romancatholicism; seebs; stephencolbert; thelateshow; tiffanynutward
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1 posted on 04/20/2014 4:36:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“he satirical conservative host of “

so they’ve started to remake him to be more marketable?


2 posted on 04/20/2014 4:39:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

On my list of things to look at Wednesday.


3 posted on 04/20/2014 4:42:28 PM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: SeekAndFind

Same old playbook. Every year the leftist dinosaur media trot out the same old bunk about “problems” with the Bible, Christ, etc. Remember the Passover Plot?” It never ends.

Matthew 10:22: You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.


4 posted on 04/20/2014 4:48:23 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: Fungi

There’s a great book out titled “Alleged Discrepancies Of The Bible” by John Haley. Excellent book for rebutting those that say there’s a problem with this verse vs that verse.


5 posted on 04/20/2014 4:51:05 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: driftdiver

Maybe he was born Catholic.

There is something deep within we born to Catholicism that is almost reflexive. We may leave the Faith (for innumerable reasons) but we never forget what She stands for.

We are quick to defend Her as a beloved sister.

I know it sounds strange, but it would be wrong to pretend it isn’t there.

I have had many of the RCC here invite me back in. For many deep spiritual reasons I so far have not been able to tread that path.

Today we celebrated Jesus arisen... and, as with all matters of faith, it is because God tells us this in our hearts.


6 posted on 04/20/2014 4:51:50 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The LORD God declares : in Isaiah 43:10 [NASV]

“...understand that I am He.”

(I read chapters 41-43 to grasp the context. The sentence before is crucial to understanding.)

Vs 10 in whole
“You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
And My servant whom I have chosen,
In order that you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.”


7 posted on 04/20/2014 4:54:55 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: SkyDancer

Another is by Gleason Archer, “Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties.’


8 posted on 04/20/2014 4:55:40 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: Fungi
Matthew 10:22: You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Thanks for posting this.

9 posted on 04/20/2014 4:57:44 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: SeekAndFind
Ehrman is neither a scholar, nor is he prominent. He is merely a run of a the mill critique, with only laughable default assertions that cannot be backed up.

Did Jesus claim to be God? You betcha. John 8:58, among other passages.

10 posted on 04/20/2014 4:59:12 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lots of resources to answer Ehrman and his unoriginal thinking here:

http://www.str.org/Search?q=bart+ehrman


11 posted on 04/20/2014 4:59:32 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind; Jim Robinson; Religion Moderator
Somewhat topical to this thread, I'm curious which translation of the Holy Bible is preferred when quoting Scripture here on Free Republic?

I've seen that the boss uses the KJV (as do I). Are other translations such as the the American Standard Version and Revised Standard Version okay? My partiality for the KJV comes from its wondrous language and I've personally never much cared for "modernism" when it comes to Christianity.

12 posted on 04/20/2014 5:01:03 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trust in your own goodness, Bart. See how well that works for you at the judgement.


13 posted on 04/20/2014 5:05:50 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: freedumb2003

He’s not a conservative which casts doubt on the entire article.

I’m tired of liberals who are conservative when its good for them but not any other time.

Screw them and screw Colbert.


14 posted on 04/20/2014 5:08:38 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: re_nortex

Emmett Fox, who was well educated in Scripture, wrote that the KJV is the most accurate translation. If that helps. It’s certainly the most eloquent.


15 posted on 04/20/2014 5:12:32 PM PDT by Argus
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To: beethovenfan

RE: Trust in your own goodness, Bart. See how well that works for you at the judgement.

Bart Ehrman calls himself an agnostic.

To which Colbert replied: “That’s like an atheist without balls...”.


16 posted on 04/20/2014 5:17:43 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: re_nortex

I don’t think there’s any necessary preference for the translation.

I generally quote the King James Version (Authorized Version) because, as you say, the language is wonderful. And also, it was the Bible used, quoted, and referred to by just about every English writer for hundreds of years.

I grew up Episcopalian and converted to the Catholic Church, but I still have a personal preference for the KJV. Realizing that there are just a few minor places where the translation wasn’t quite right—but not really enough to worry about, IMHO.

When I taught the Bible as Literature at NYU, I used the Revised Standard Version. It’s based on the KJV but slightly modernized, and a few minor corrections. Plus, the translation was agreed to by a panel of Catholic and Protestant scholars, with a few notes added to explain disagreements. And including the Apocrypha, with a note explaining that those books are considered part of the Catholic Bible.

Unfortunately, the RSV was updated by the NRSV, which is a piece of cr*p. Politically correct, and full of stupid and misleading changes. I really missed using the Oxford RSV for my Bible course, with its very helpful notes at the bottom of the page, including many citations from the Church Fathers.


17 posted on 04/20/2014 5:19:18 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SeekAndFind

Stephen Colbert is a serious Catholic?

......

Maybe you Catholics can get Madonna to do some outreach for your church. I think she’s a serious Catholic too. Probably as serious as Colbert anyway.


18 posted on 04/20/2014 5:20:03 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: driftdiver

I think it’s just poorly worded.

Colbert’s entire show is based on being a satirical parody of a conservative host, when it’s an open secret that he’s actually quite liberal.


19 posted on 04/20/2014 5:20:17 PM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: Corporate Democrat

Screw colbert


20 posted on 04/20/2014 5:24:09 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: re_nortex

“Somewhat topical to this thread, I’m curious which translation of the Holy Bible is preferred when quoting Scripture here on Free Republic?”

Probably any version except the ones like “New World Translation” that are published by cults like the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Most modern translation actually pretty good.


21 posted on 04/20/2014 5:36:51 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Argus

Actually, it isn’t. It relies to heavily on the Geneva Bible. If you read the Greek and Hebrew, the KJV is really off.


22 posted on 04/20/2014 5:40:08 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: driftdiver

>>He’s not a conservative which casts doubt on the entire article.<<

Catholic and Conservative are far from 1:1

I was looking at the theological aspects...


23 posted on 04/20/2014 5:43:21 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Fungi

I’m surprised they haven’t trotted out that tired old THE SACRED MUSHROOM AND THE CROSS book. Maybe they are saving it till Christmas.


24 posted on 04/20/2014 5:45:22 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Bart Ehrman, Chairman of the Dept. of Religious Studies at the University of No. Carolina????

Now there's a reason our children, raised in church, strong in their own faith, come home scoffing at the faith of their parents, who've sacrificed mightily to pay for "quality educations" for their offspring!

25 posted on 04/20/2014 5:49:02 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Argus
Have you ever read Sermon on the Mount?
26 posted on 04/20/2014 5:50:57 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Fungi

The copy I have is a small paperback but thick. Easy to carry around. I’ll check out your suggestion. Thanks.


27 posted on 04/20/2014 5:51:21 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: driftdiver

That’s not a change. He’s always played that part on his show.


28 posted on 04/20/2014 5:54:23 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: freedumb2003

When the article starts off with a lie it casts doubt on the article. It has nothing to do with the “theological aspects”.

Until he denounces abortion and a myriad of other issues he has supported he is doing the devils work.


29 posted on 04/20/2014 5:56:05 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: re_nortex
Douay-Rheims Bible

I don't see what's so "accurate" about KJV.

Ephesians
  English: Douay-Rheims Greek NT: Byzantine/Majority Text (2000) English: King James Version
  Ephesians 1
6 Unto the praise of the glory of his grace, in which he hath graced us in his beloved son. εις επαινον δοξης της χαριτος αυτου εν η εχαριτωσεν ημας εν τω ηγαπημενω To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

"εχαριτωσεν ημας" = "made us accepted"? Seriously?

1 Corinthians
  English: Douay-Rheims Greek NT: Byzantine/Majority Text (2000) English: King James Version
  1 Corinthians 11
27 Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. ωστε ος αν εσθιη τον αρτον τουτον η πινη το ποτηριον του κυριου αναξιως του κυριου ενοχος εσται του σωματος και του αιματος του κυριου Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

These are just nonsensical translations, I leave alone choices biased against Catholicism.

30 posted on 04/20/2014 5:56:06 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: driftdiver

The article doesn’t call him conservative, but satirical conservative.


31 posted on 04/20/2014 5:56:07 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: SeekAndFind

BM


32 posted on 04/20/2014 5:56:47 PM PDT by Vision (Living in beauty)
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To: Jonty30

Oh well that makes it ok then. Lets all look to this bastard for our theological guidance.


33 posted on 04/20/2014 5:57:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Tzimisce

Madonna is a kabbalahist - or at least she was until a little while ago: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2013/sep/19/madonna-kabbala-philip-bergs-funeral


34 posted on 04/20/2014 5:57:31 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: AppyPappy; Hoodat

I think the King James translators worked from the best sources they had, and they were scholars of Greek and Hebrew.

Yes, I’ve read a number of Fox’s works, to great benefit.


35 posted on 04/20/2014 6:07:26 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Cicero

I was told same thing by a trusted friend.
RSV is very good, but hard to find now, NRSV is very bad


36 posted on 04/20/2014 6:07:36 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Corporate Democrat

When George W. Bush was President, Colbert was the featured comedian at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, and was rather mean-spirited in his jokes about Bush—he is definitely not a conservative. Maybe some liberals find him funny.


37 posted on 04/20/2014 6:14:08 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus (ADES)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ehrman is not an idiot; he’s a complete cynic who is trying to cash in on a convenient cultural rejection of Christianity. The flaws in his “scholarship” and reasoning have been pointed out to him so many times that he is certainly aware of them.


38 posted on 04/20/2014 6:24:33 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

By John Allegro. I have a copy, two actually, a first edition hard cover with sleeve, and a soft cover. I have yet to read it.


39 posted on 04/20/2014 6:26:33 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: annalex
The "Byzantine Majority Text" varies slightly from the text given in the United Bible Societies edition.

I don't know how to insert Greek letters into my comment, but the Liddell and Scott Intermediate Greek Lexicon has "to shew grace to" as the transaltion of charitoo. I have an Analytical Greek Lexicon (no date--late 19th century?) which gives as meanings "to favour, visit with favour, to make an object of favour, to gift."

40 posted on 04/20/2014 6:29:34 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus (ADES)
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To: Verginius Rufus
Just copy and paste from a Greek source, e.g. from Liddell-Scott.

Yes, χαριτόω is indeed "I bestow grace" (Greek has no infinitive, so first person is used to refer to verbs). So "εχαριτωσεν" is "bestowed grace", or simply "graced".

The noun here is "χάρις", "grace", or in mundane contexts "favor".

"Made us accepted" sounds like a loose rephrasing.

41 posted on 04/20/2014 6:40:19 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: driftdiver

Regardless of whether Colbert is a liberal or a faux conservative or what, he does make some good points and it does seem to stun the “Bible Scholar.”


42 posted on 04/20/2014 6:41:15 PM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: driftdiver

I didn’t pass any sort of value judgement on this. I just corrected your assertion that his being a satirical conservative show host was somehow new.


43 posted on 04/20/2014 6:42:31 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: freedumb2003

Interesting post. I went to Catholic school thru 12th grade and was a good Catholic for a long while. I did leave the Church, but the Church is still a strong influence on me.

I remember when Pope John Paul II died and I was glued to the TV for the funeral. A friend asked why did I care anymore, since I was no longer Catholic, but I did care. I am grateful for my Catholic education and moral foundation.

Still not sure Colbert is what they are making him up to be for the masses.


44 posted on 04/20/2014 6:50:26 PM PDT by radiohead
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To: AppyPappy
Actually, it isn’t. It relies to heavily on the Geneva Bible. If you read the Greek and Hebrew, the KJV is really off.

Depends on which Greek and Hebrew you compare it to...

45 posted on 04/20/2014 6:59:08 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: radiohead

>>but the Church is still a strong influence on me.<<

I have yet to meet a Catholic (ex or in good standing) who can stomach wasted food. Ever fiber in my being yells “YOU ARE WASTING FOOD! THAT IS A SINNNNNN!!!”

There was a Carl’s Jr. commercial that had a guy tossing an uneaten hamburger onto the roadway and I just wanted to throttle him.


46 posted on 04/20/2014 7:03:28 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: driftdiver
Oh well that makes it ok then. Lets all look to this bastard for our theological guidance.

No one here is saying we should look to him for theological guidance. We are just saying it's nice when Colbert publicly puts down a Christless professor. What is wrong with humiliating anti-Christians? We should be glad anyone is doing so on national television and shows the world what a lie Ehrman is teaching.

47 posted on 04/20/2014 7:06:11 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: beethovenfan
Trust in your own goodness, Bart. See how well that works for you at the judgement.

Unless he repents, he will be weighed in the balance, and found wanting. I would prefer he repent and believe, similar to the way Josh McDowell did.

48 posted on 04/20/2014 7:09:59 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: SkyDancer

Thanks for the recommendation. Just added that to my amazon wish list.


49 posted on 04/20/2014 7:13:17 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: freedumb2003

Amen! Today it is Catholic, Christian, Orthodox who rejoice as one at the Risen Christ! Our denominations matter not! Happy Easter!


50 posted on 04/20/2014 7:14:03 PM PDT by sassy steel magnolia
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