Skip to comments.Bible Critic Says Jesus Isn't God, Stephen Colbert Leaves Him Speechless (Video)
Posted on 04/20/2014 4:36:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
(Screenshot: Comedy Central)
As we mentioned, Stephen Colbert, heir to David Letterman's chair on "The Late Show," openly talks about his Catholic faith. It's a surprise to those who know the comedian only as the satirical conservative host of "The Colbert Report."
In this April 2009 episode on Maundy Thursday, Colbert hosted Bart Ehrman, a prominent New Testament scholar and biblical critic.
As Ehrman points out contradictions he's found in the Bible, notably in the crucifixion of Jesus, Colbert takes him to task in his usual acerbic tone. But under the caricature, Colbert presents the divinity of Christ in ways that leave Ehrman at a loss for words.
“he satirical conservative host of “
so they’ve started to remake him to be more marketable?
On my list of things to look at Wednesday.
Same old playbook. Every year the leftist dinosaur media trot out the same old bunk about “problems” with the Bible, Christ, etc. Remember the Passover Plot?” It never ends.
Matthew 10:22: You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
There’s a great book out titled “Alleged Discrepancies Of The Bible” by John Haley. Excellent book for rebutting those that say there’s a problem with this verse vs that verse.
Maybe he was born Catholic.
There is something deep within we born to Catholicism that is almost reflexive. We may leave the Faith (for innumerable reasons) but we never forget what She stands for.
We are quick to defend Her as a beloved sister.
I know it sounds strange, but it would be wrong to pretend it isn’t there.
I have had many of the RCC here invite me back in. For many deep spiritual reasons I so far have not been able to tread that path.
Today we celebrated Jesus arisen... and, as with all matters of faith, it is because God tells us this in our hearts.
The LORD God declares : in Isaiah 43:10 [NASV]
...understand that I am He.
(I read chapters 41-43 to grasp the context. The sentence before is crucial to understanding.)
Vs 10 in whole
You are My witnesses, declares the LORD,
And My servant whom I have chosen,
In order that you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
Another is by Gleason Archer, “Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties.’
Thanks for posting this.
Did Jesus claim to be God? You betcha. John 8:58, among other passages.
Lots of resources to answer Ehrman and his unoriginal thinking here:
I've seen that the boss uses the KJV (as do I). Are other translations such as the the American Standard Version and Revised Standard Version okay? My partiality for the KJV comes from its wondrous language and I've personally never much cared for "modernism" when it comes to Christianity.
Trust in your own goodness, Bart. See how well that works for you at the judgement.
He’s not a conservative which casts doubt on the entire article.
I’m tired of liberals who are conservative when its good for them but not any other time.
Screw them and screw Colbert.
Emmett Fox, who was well educated in Scripture, wrote that the KJV is the most accurate translation. If that helps. It’s certainly the most eloquent.
RE: Trust in your own goodness, Bart. See how well that works for you at the judgement.
Bart Ehrman calls himself an agnostic.
To which Colbert replied: “That’s like an atheist without balls...”.
I don’t think there’s any necessary preference for the translation.
I generally quote the King James Version (Authorized Version) because, as you say, the language is wonderful. And also, it was the Bible used, quoted, and referred to by just about every English writer for hundreds of years.
I grew up Episcopalian and converted to the Catholic Church, but I still have a personal preference for the KJV. Realizing that there are just a few minor places where the translation wasn’t quite right—but not really enough to worry about, IMHO.
When I taught the Bible as Literature at NYU, I used the Revised Standard Version. It’s based on the KJV but slightly modernized, and a few minor corrections. Plus, the translation was agreed to by a panel of Catholic and Protestant scholars, with a few notes added to explain disagreements. And including the Apocrypha, with a note explaining that those books are considered part of the Catholic Bible.
Unfortunately, the RSV was updated by the NRSV, which is a piece of cr*p. Politically correct, and full of stupid and misleading changes. I really missed using the Oxford RSV for my Bible course, with its very helpful notes at the bottom of the page, including many citations from the Church Fathers.
Stephen Colbert is a serious Catholic?
Maybe you Catholics can get Madonna to do some outreach for your church. I think she’s a serious Catholic too. Probably as serious as Colbert anyway.
I think it’s just poorly worded.
Colbert’s entire show is based on being a satirical parody of a conservative host, when it’s an open secret that he’s actually quite liberal.
“Somewhat topical to this thread, I’m curious which translation of the Holy Bible is preferred when quoting Scripture here on Free Republic?”
Probably any version except the ones like “New World Translation” that are published by cults like the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Most modern translation actually pretty good.
Actually, it isn’t. It relies to heavily on the Geneva Bible. If you read the Greek and Hebrew, the KJV is really off.
>>Hes not a conservative which casts doubt on the entire article.<<
Catholic and Conservative are far from 1:1
I was looking at the theological aspects...
I’m surprised they haven’t trotted out that tired old THE SACRED MUSHROOM AND THE CROSS book. Maybe they are saving it till Christmas.
Now there's a reason our children, raised in church, strong in their own faith, come home scoffing at the faith of their parents, who've sacrificed mightily to pay for "quality educations" for their offspring!
The copy I have is a small paperback but thick. Easy to carry around. I’ll check out your suggestion. Thanks.
That’s not a change. He’s always played that part on his show.
When the article starts off with a lie it casts doubt on the article. It has nothing to do with the “theological aspects”.
Until he denounces abortion and a myriad of other issues he has supported he is doing the devils work.
I don't see what's so "accurate" about KJV.
|English: Douay-Rheims||Greek NT: Byzantine/Majority Text (2000)||English: King James Version|
|6.||Unto the praise of the glory of his grace, in which he hath graced us in his beloved son.||εις επαινον δοξης της χαριτος αυτου εν η εχαριτωσεν ημας εν τω ηγαπημενω||To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.|
"εχαριτωσεν ημας" = "made us accepted"? Seriously?
|English: Douay-Rheims||Greek NT: Byzantine/Majority Text (2000)||English: King James Version|
|1 Corinthians 11
|27.||Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord.||ωστε ος αν εσθιη τον αρτον τουτον η πινη το ποτηριον του κυριου αναξιως του κυριου ενοχος εσται του σωματος και του αιματος του κυριου||Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.|
These are just nonsensical translations, I leave alone choices biased against Catholicism.
The article doesn’t call him conservative, but satirical conservative.
Oh well that makes it ok then. Lets all look to this bastard for our theological guidance.
Madonna is a kabbalahist - or at least she was until a little while ago: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2013/sep/19/madonna-kabbala-philip-bergs-funeral
I think the King James translators worked from the best sources they had, and they were scholars of Greek and Hebrew.
Yes, I’ve read a number of Fox’s works, to great benefit.
I was told same thing by a trusted friend.
RSV is very good, but hard to find now, NRSV is very bad
When George W. Bush was President, Colbert was the featured comedian at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, and was rather mean-spirited in his jokes about Bush—he is definitely not a conservative. Maybe some liberals find him funny.
Ehrman is not an idiot; he’s a complete cynic who is trying to cash in on a convenient cultural rejection of Christianity. The flaws in his “scholarship” and reasoning have been pointed out to him so many times that he is certainly aware of them.
By John Allegro. I have a copy, two actually, a first edition hard cover with sleeve, and a soft cover. I have yet to read it.
I don't know how to insert Greek letters into my comment, but the Liddell and Scott Intermediate Greek Lexicon has "to shew grace to" as the transaltion of charitoo. I have an Analytical Greek Lexicon (no date--late 19th century?) which gives as meanings "to favour, visit with favour, to make an object of favour, to gift."
Yes, χαριτόω is indeed "I bestow grace" (Greek has no infinitive, so first person is used to refer to verbs). So "εχαριτωσεν" is "bestowed grace", or simply "graced".
The noun here is "χάρις", "grace", or in mundane contexts "favor".
"Made us accepted" sounds like a loose rephrasing.
Regardless of whether Colbert is a liberal or a faux conservative or what, he does make some good points and it does seem to stun the “Bible Scholar.”
I didn’t pass any sort of value judgement on this. I just corrected your assertion that his being a satirical conservative show host was somehow new.
Interesting post. I went to Catholic school thru 12th grade and was a good Catholic for a long while. I did leave the Church, but the Church is still a strong influence on me.
I remember when Pope John Paul II died and I was glued to the TV for the funeral. A friend asked why did I care anymore, since I was no longer Catholic, but I did care. I am grateful for my Catholic education and moral foundation.
Still not sure Colbert is what they are making him up to be for the masses.
Depends on which Greek and Hebrew you compare it to...
>>but the Church is still a strong influence on me.<<
I have yet to meet a Catholic (ex or in good standing) who can stomach wasted food. Ever fiber in my being yells “YOU ARE WASTING FOOD! THAT IS A SINNNNNN!!!”
There was a Carl’s Jr. commercial that had a guy tossing an uneaten hamburger onto the roadway and I just wanted to throttle him.
No one here is saying we should look to him for theological guidance. We are just saying it's nice when Colbert publicly puts down a Christless professor. What is wrong with humiliating anti-Christians? We should be glad anyone is doing so on national television and shows the world what a lie Ehrman is teaching.
Unless he repents, he will be weighed in the balance, and found wanting. I would prefer he repent and believe, similar to the way Josh McDowell did.
Thanks for the recommendation. Just added that to my amazon wish list.
Amen! Today it is Catholic, Christian, Orthodox who rejoice as one at the Risen Christ! Our denominations matter not! Happy Easter!