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Are There Souls in Hell Right Now?
Catholic.com ^ | April 11, 2014 | Tim Staples

Posted on 04/21/2014 11:30:24 AM PDT by GonzoII

It has become fashionable in some Catholic quarters these days to question where there are now or will ever be any souls populating hell. Hell, it is taught, is a "real possibility," but whether there are any souls actually there, or whether there will ever be any souls there, is unknown to us.

It is, of course, true that hell is a "real possibility" for each of us. And that is a sobering thought. But it is also true that souls are actually in hell now, and will be for all eternity. This is a teaching of our Catholic Faith.



TOPICS: Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: afterlife; catholic; damnation; fireandbrimstone; gehenna; hell; hellfire; timstaples

1 posted on 04/21/2014 11:30:24 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII
I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about what hell is, and that answers the questions about are there any people in there now? How about for eternity?

If you think of hell as the place where the unsaved people go after their death, that is the punishment side of Sheol, then yes there are lots of people there. They are being punished with real flames, waiting for the resurrection when they will have to face the White Throne Judgment.

If you think of hell as the place of eternal punishment, that is the Lake of Fire, nobody will be there until after the White Throne Judgment (except for the Anti Christ and the False Prophet who are thrown there at the end of Armageddon), but everybody will be tormented there for eternity.

To me, the bottom line is that there are people who are suffering in Sheol now, and there will be people suffering in the Lake of Fire later on and for eternity. It should spur us to try to reach these people before it is too late, rather than argue whether Sheol, the Lake of Fire, or both, are hell

2 posted on 04/21/2014 11:47:53 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: GonzoII

The dead know not anything. I read that somewhere.


3 posted on 04/21/2014 11:48:08 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: GonzoII

Will Many Be Saved?: What Vatican II Actually Teaches and Its Implications for the New Evangelization

Book Description
Publication Date: September 7, 2012
The question of whether and how people who have not had the chance to hear the gospel can be saved goes back to the beginnings of Christian reflection. It has also become a much-debated topic in current theology. In Will Many Be Saved? Ralph Martin focuses primarily on the history of debate and the development of responses to this question within the Roman Catholic Church, but much of Martin’s discussion is also relevant to the wider debate happening in many churches around the world.

In particular, Martin analyzes the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, the document from the Second Vatican Council that directly relates to this question. Contrary to popular opinion, Martin argues that according to this text, the conditions under which people who have not heard the gospel can be saved are very often, in fact, not fulfilled, with strong implications for evangelization.


4 posted on 04/21/2014 11:50:59 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BipolarBob

The dead know not anything. I read that somewhere....I see it in Congress every day.


5 posted on 04/21/2014 11:54:36 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: BipolarBob

Sort of like 0bama and congress and senate.


6 posted on 04/21/2014 12:27:17 PM PDT by SkyDancer (I Believe In The Law Until It Intereferes With Justice. And Pay Your Liberty Tax Citizen.)
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To: GonzoII

Look around.


7 posted on 04/21/2014 12:33:44 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: GonzoII

God knows, I only have to know that it is a possibility and I don’t want to go there.


8 posted on 04/21/2014 12:37:23 PM PDT by tiki
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To: GonzoII

“some Catholic quarters”, should correctly read “Some so-called Catholic quarters.”


9 posted on 04/21/2014 12:38:57 PM PDT by Gumdrop (Q)
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To: GonzoII

No. That happens at the Great White Throne judgement. See the closing chapters of Revelation.


10 posted on 04/21/2014 12:47:44 PM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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To: GonzoII
to question where there are now or will ever be any souls populating hell. Hell, it is taught, is a "real possibility," but whether there are any souls actually there, or whether there will ever be any souls there, is unknown to us.

The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Ps. 9:17

but the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremonters, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev. 21:8

Lazarus

Luke 16

11 posted on 04/21/2014 1:40:38 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: BlatherNaut

“Many are called, few are chosen.”


12 posted on 04/21/2014 2:12:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GonzoII

**Are There Souls in Hell Right Now?**

At the moment of our death, we undergo what Catholics call the particular judgment.

Then souls are sent to three places: Heaven, Purgatory or Hell.

At the General Judgment everyone else will know about it when the sheep are divided from the goats.

I’ll be happy with Purgatory, for I know after I am purified I can enter heaven.


13 posted on 04/21/2014 2:15:28 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GonzoII
Tim Staples: It has become fashionable in some Catholic quarters these days to question where there are now or will ever be any souls populating hell. Hell, it is taught, is a "real possibility," but whether there are any souls actually there, or whether there will ever be any souls there, is unknown to us.

PFL

14 posted on 04/21/2014 2:34:57 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: GonzoII

Hades is temporary, the lake of fire is permanent. The suffering in either one is probably the same.


15 posted on 04/21/2014 2:36:47 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: GonzoII

I’d take Jesus word on the subject....


16 posted on 04/21/2014 2:43:44 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Salvation

FYI- There are ways to shorten or eliminate purgatory for yourself and others, including among them:

Wearing the Scapular and the Five First Saturdays of Reparation to Our Lady -—

http://themostholyrosary.com/appendix2.htm

The 30 days of St. Gregory the Great -—

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/how-to-help-the-holy-souls-in-purgatory/ The Pious Union of St. Joseph is the least expensive place I’ve found to say these Masses — 30 Masses for $200. A priest or a monastery, etc., has to receive some type of official approval to say these Masses.

http://www.piousunionofstjoseph.org/mass/mass-stipend/gregorian-masses/

The Twelve Years Prayers of St. Bridget of Sweden. (Very easy to say. Don’t be intimidated by the ‘12 Years’. It includes other benefits as well, but the individual who says them is promised to avoid Purgatory completely.) -—
http://www.jesusmariasite.org/Salvation/pdf/12PrayersStBrigit.pdf

The Prayer for souls by St. Gertrude the Great:

http://olrl.org/pray/stgertrude.shtml


17 posted on 04/21/2014 2:57:05 PM PDT by stisidore (MM, let's see here)
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To: stisidore

Thanks I do some of those already, but others I had not heard of.


18 posted on 04/21/2014 3:21:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GonzoII

Yes, and they’re still voting Democrat.


19 posted on 04/21/2014 3:30:44 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Salvation
I know after I am purified I can enter heaven

I know I have been purified by the blood of Jesus, I have been imputed His righteousness, and there isn't anything else needed.

20 posted on 04/21/2014 3:44:49 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus

Are you saying that you are not a sinner? No human can be completely pure.


21 posted on 04/21/2014 5:34:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Not even a Pope?


22 posted on 04/21/2014 5:56:39 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Salvation

What human being is Pure, Salvation? Just give a list.


23 posted on 04/21/2014 6:00:12 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Salvation

Am I not worthy of Salvation?


24 posted on 04/21/2014 6:05:11 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: BipolarBob

But they vote early and often!


25 posted on 04/21/2014 6:06:08 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: RedHeeler

I didn’t say anything about eternal salvation. I approached the subject that we are all imperfect humans and thus are sinners.


26 posted on 04/21/2014 6:14:42 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Former Fetus

Are blacks allowed in the white thrown judgment? :D


27 posted on 04/21/2014 6:16:41 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: RedHeeler

Popes are human. They sin too — look at the example of St. Peter who denied Christ three times, but then repented. In fact, I’ve heard it said that Pope John Paul II went to Confession weekly if not more often.

So are you better than Pope John Paul II by saying that you are not a sinner?


28 posted on 04/21/2014 6:17:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

” I didn’t say anything about eternal salvation.” Well, then there is no salvation, according to you, right? Or, is there daily, weekly or annual salvation? Kinda like the paganistic folks? You know, by offerings to long past deities?


29 posted on 04/21/2014 6:27:20 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Salvation

I am a sinner, just like everybody else. But I am a FORGIVEN sinner. I have been imputed the righteousness of Christ and I know exactly where I’m going!


30 posted on 04/21/2014 6:32:15 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Salvation

By the by, I never said that any Pope or myself, are not in sin. Good swing and a miss, holy one.


31 posted on 04/21/2014 6:32:27 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Former Fetus

Who told you that you were forgiven? At least when I go to Confession I hear the words that God forgives me.

How do you know for sure?


32 posted on 04/21/2014 6:40:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Eternal Salvation, by the Roman Catholic church is all you proffer, proscribe and profess by a self-supposed doctrine. Good, you are well worthy of your faith. May the breath of God be upon your shoulders


33 posted on 04/21/2014 6:41:26 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: RedHeeler

Aren’t you misconstruing my words. I was speaking about the fact that all humans are born with original sin and thus are sinners.

Do you believe that we are all born imperfectly?

Wasn’t Christ, fully human and fully God born without sin? You aren’t putting yourself on his level, are you?

I would fall at Christ’s feet and ask for his blessing and forgiveness, were I to meet him in person, not put myself on a sinless level with him.


34 posted on 04/21/2014 6:44:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RedHeeler
Here is what we profess:

Catholic belief is succinctly expressed in the profession of faith or credo called the Nicene Creed:

The Nicene Creed

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
(At the words that follow, up to and including "and became man." all bow.)

and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.


35 posted on 04/21/2014 6:50:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Well, then, fall at Christ’s feet. He probably isn’t concerned about that kind of subservience. We won’t be turned away. Good deal.


36 posted on 04/21/2014 7:06:07 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Salvation
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9).

The disagreement between Catholics and Baptists is that we don't read "if we confess our sins to a priest". I confess daily to God, knowing that Jesus has paid the price for my sins, and that He keeps me safe in His hand. I don't need to hear a person tell me that my sins are forgiven, I can read it in the Bible and believe it.

How do I know for sure? "These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life" (1 John 5:13)

Salvation, we have discussed in the past the "once saved always saved". I know you have very strong opinions about it, and I respect you for it. But neither one of us is going to change her mind, so let's just be Christians, ok?

37 posted on 04/21/2014 8:02:55 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Salvation

Purgatory is beyond me.. Limbo was my last best hope but the Church no longer allows it’s existence..


38 posted on 04/21/2014 8:29:01 PM PDT by late bloomer ( Neglegere homo pone aulaeum. semi-retired warlord)
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To: RedHeeler

When the hemorrhaging woman touched the hem of his garment, Christ knew and cared.

How can you say that Christ would not care about someone seeking help?

Because he felt the energy go out of him, he asked about it. Only then did the woman fall at his feet and say she had touched the hem of his garment.


39 posted on 04/21/2014 8:32:52 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Your claim is misguided.


40 posted on 04/21/2014 8:38:34 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: RedHeeler

You really did say **He probably isn’t concerned about that kind of subservience** didn’t you?

How am I misguided in addressing that?


41 posted on 04/21/2014 8:41:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GonzoII

Well Jesus, being God, could be considered an authority on this subject, which He addressed in LUKE 16:

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’


42 posted on 04/21/2014 8:43:58 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: Salvation

Yes, I surely believe that Christ is not concerned, with any kind of subservience. We have never been misguided, except by ourselves. That is Christ, in our logic, right?


43 posted on 04/21/2014 9:18:25 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: stisidore
"FYI- There are ways to shorten or eliminate purgatory for yourself and others"

But I thought purgatory provided a good and necessary "cleansing" before entering Heaven? Why would anyone want to shorten or eliminate such a blessing??
44 posted on 04/23/2014 10:26:44 AM PDT by armydoc
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