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Matthew Vines holding a Bible in a photo dated Aug. 16.

Andrew Walker's full review of God and the Gay Christian, which includes pastoral considerations, can be read here

1 posted on 04/23/2014 8:23:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Al Mohler, Jim Hamilton, Denny Burk, Owen Strachan, and Heath Lambert have put together a booklet responding to Matthew Vines.

Here are the chapters:

“God, the Gospel and the Gay Challenge: A Response to Matthew Vines”

“How to Condone What the Bible Condemns: Matthew Vines Takes on the
Old Testament”

“Suppressing the Truth in Unrighteousness: Matthew Vines Takes on the New Testament”

“What Has the Church Believed and Taught? Have Christians Been Wrong All Along?”

“Is a ‘Gay Christian’ Consistent with the Gospel of Christ?”

Read the booklet by clicking here

2 posted on 04/23/2014 8:24:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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“The former Harvard University student, who is gay, rejected traditional Christian teaching on homosexuality and explained in an over hour-long argument using Scripture that the Bible does not condemn loving, same-sex relationships.”

Well, sure, the Bible in fact demands that we love everyone regardless of their sex. Having homosexual sex, on the other hand, is roundly denounced as an abomination.


3 posted on 04/23/2014 8:27:00 AM PDT by Boogieman
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And Luther’s great work continues.


4 posted on 04/23/2014 8:28:18 AM PDT by wideawake
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Well, today we have three lesbians in a marriage in Massachussets. Hopefully Vine will write a wonderful book about how that’s God’s will too. </s>


9 posted on 04/23/2014 8:40:38 AM PDT by struggle
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Dude looks possessed literally...


12 posted on 04/23/2014 8:49:46 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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“nor is there any call to lifelong celibacy for gay people”

No, there isn’t, since God does not acknowledge ‘gay’ as a real thing. Same sex attracted people are free to find a wife or husband of the opposite sex and engage in sexual activity within marriage with that person.

What does God say about same-sex sexual activities?

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Lev 20:13

Pretty damn clear on the moral law their. The word abomination doesn’t have double-meanings.


13 posted on 04/23/2014 8:52:18 AM PDT by Viennacon
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the gay christian along with the virgin prostitute and the honest thief.


14 posted on 04/23/2014 8:54:43 AM PDT by MNDude
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Butt boy drivel


17 posted on 04/23/2014 8:59:36 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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...using Scripture that the Bible does not condemn loving, same-sex relationships...

Sure ... those are called friendships.
When those "same-sex relationships" turn sexual -- they are condemned throughout the Bible for the perversions that they are.
Sodom and Gomorrah got a front row preview seat regarding those that 'go after strange flesh' (Jude 1:7).
We are told not to deceive ourselves into believing that God will 'wink' at these sins (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God).
And the first Chapter of Paul's letter to the Romans tells us that a Nation should expect this outbreak of 'perversion' when it forgets God (or as Psalm 9 puts it: Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God).

20 posted on 04/23/2014 9:11:01 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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You just have to LAUGH at these fools. Don’t give them one smidgen of credibility. Anyone who thinks that the bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality can’t read.

I won’t list the many old and new testament verses, we all know them, but I will address the word “ABOMINATION”, used in several of those verses.

“Abomination” is what God thinks of homosexual activity (gay sex acts). It has always been my understanding that the strongest word you could use to describe something vile, is abomination.

noun: abomination; plural noun: abominations

1. a thing that causes disgust or hatred.

synonyms: atrocity, disgrace, horror, obscenity, outrage, evil, crime, monstrosity, anathema, bane

1. Abhorrence; disgust.

2. A cause of abhorrence or disgust.

1. a person or thing that is disgusting

2. an action that is vicious, vile

3. intense loathing

1. something greatly disliked or abhorred.

2. intense aversion or loathing; detestation.

3. a vile or shameful action, condition, or habit.

Abomination translated from Hebrew, means... abomination

Abomination translated from Greek, means... abomination

There is NO WAY a sane person can think that homosexuality and Christianity are compatible in any form.

There is HOPE. REPENT

•2 Chronicles 7:14 “If My people, which are called by My Name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from Heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

If you stop homosexual activity, you are no longer homosexual. Homosexual sex is what PROVES that a person is a homosexual.


32 posted on 04/23/2014 9:58:35 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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Matthew Vines is but fuel for the fire.

His evil heart will leave him with no defense when his judgement comes before God.

He can change, and even accept Christ as his Lord and savior, but the damage he has done will make it very difficult.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a tough one to overcome.

History is replete with reprobates who joined Satan’s army.


35 posted on 04/23/2014 10:01:33 AM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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“Vines, who was raised in a Christian home in Wichita”

Very telling quote. If Vines was not raised in a Christian home but in say an atheist or agnostic home, would he be doing this?

I have more intellectual respect for secularists who will agree that the Bible condemns homosexual behavior but sadly reject it than I do for folks like Vines who are desperately looking for intellectually dishonest loopholes and scripture-twisting to justify their sins.


69 posted on 04/23/2014 6:14:33 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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Libtards truly believe that everything is politics - even God’s Word. Sorry, no sale here. Anyone advocating that Christians ignore God’s clear Word for political gain is not doing God’s work.


73 posted on 04/23/2014 7:22:24 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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Matthew Vines is really no different than any other sinner who seeks to assuage his guilt over an action he KNOWS deep within his heart is an abomination to God. This is not something God forgot to lead us about, but He plainly and unequivocally commands those who want to live holy lives in honor of Him to FLEE sexual immorality - whether it is hetero or homo sexual acts. He leaves NO escape clause for those who claim to be in "loving and committed" relationships to rationalize their error. Sin is sin and nobody gets to tell God what they will or will not obey without having to expect the full consequences He has already warned us about. Vines is not fooling God and I suspect even he is not fooled either.
74 posted on 04/23/2014 10:23:26 PM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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