Posted on 04/24/2014 6:06:22 AM PDT by xzins
as one who must be obedient to Scripture. And so, I must counter his argument with conviction and urgency. I am concerned for him, and for the thousands who struggle as he does. The church has often failed people with same-sex attractions, and failed them horribly. We must not fail them now by forfeiting the only message that leads to salvation, holiness, and faithfulness. That is the real question before us.
> gay Christians
Lost me right there.
If we allow them to use terminology such as “gay Christians”, then we have to allow for murderer Christinans, adulterer Christians, thieving Christians, drunkard Christians, lying Christians, etc.
1st Corinthians 6:9-11 puts this straight.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
Those who understand this passage know that the serpent twisted what God had said in an effort to first confuse and then deceive. It worked then, it may work in some capacity now.
despite the protestations (and rightly so) from evangeclicals, mr vines will look you straight (more or less) in the eye and say he is being true to scripture, whether you agree with him or not..
aaaaah, the reformation and sole scriptura continue to bare fruit down to this very day....
This probably is, or is the forerunner to, the Great Apostasy of the end times.
So you're saying there are no gay groups pushing for acceptance in the Catholic church?
That is a lie! The Church has done the only responsible thing and denounced homosexual activity as the disordered acts that they are. It has consistently stated that these people have a disordered and disturbed mental process that causes them the unhealthy desire to act out sexually with a member of the same sex.
There is no equivocation in scripture or even any civil society in all of history that even thought of justifying same sex attraction through any form of legal contract prior to this century.
This is hardly enlightenment.
calling good evil and evil good
ping to the article
I disagree. It has failed them by NOT standing firm.
It hasn’t stood firm on marriage.
It hasn’t stood firm on divorce.
It hasn’t stood firm on holiness.
It hasn’t stood firm on evangelism.
It hasn’t stood firm on the Bible.
It hasn’t stood firm on unity.
I could go on and on.
The bottom line is that these wolves look at our hypocrisy and figure “why not try a BIG lie this time?”
I think this lie holds its basis in the Matthew Shepard deception and then further carried by the Fred Phelps/Westboro church actions. Again, lies used to smear the true church.
I have seen within churches so many who have chastised congregations for calling out homosexual activity as sin and morally equating this natural revulsion of sin as equal to the treatment of those with leprosy in Jesus’ day. This is a completely false comparison in my opinion.
Further, the squelching of congregational dissent over of the practice of homosexuality, I believe, led to the rise and the emboldenment of the gay mafia and the place where we are now in cultural acceptance of the practice of homosexuality and the acceptance of marginalizing anyone who disagrees. The Church stood silent or even condemned those who rose to speak up and now we see the consequences of the pervasiveness of this practice of sin.
Perhaps some Evangelical leaders are now at their moment of choosing between fame and fortune and the Word of God, but those who truly seek to follow Christ are at no such crossroad.
Concur. See my post #13.
>>Vines comes back to sexual orientation as the key issue. ‘”The Bible doesn’t directly address the issue of same-sex orientation,”
Matthew 19:4-6 (New King James Version)
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Matthew 19:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 And He [Jesus] answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
Well, then, that was easy. There is no arguing around that.
Sorry. 2+2 will NEVER equal 5. It will ALWAYS and FOREVER equal 4.
These folks can’t change wrong to right by just saying so.
The Bible is clear regarding homosexuality; it DOES address it for what it is.
Hey, if you choose that lifestyle, more power to you. But the Bible states clearly that those who do will NOT see the Kingdom of Heaven. We can’t change that and God WON’T change it because some folks want Him to.
Move along, it is the standard Catholic answer to the reason for everything occurring outside their church (that also occurs in it).
Absolutely. The author of this article vehemently agrees with you.
It is one thing to be engaged in sin.
It is even worse, in my estimation, to say that God is wrong and that any sin He has identified is not a sin.
That is definitely the serpent telling Eve the fruit was good and not at all like God had said.
Essentially, what these apostates are doing is engaging in false prophesy. God has clearly spoken about homosexuality, and these apostates are calling God a liar, saying there’s nothing wrong with a behavior that God has condemned to hell, if not repented of.
Christ said false prophets such as these are damned:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
They delusionally believe they’re children of God, and in response Christ will cast them into hell. False prophesy, calling God a liar, is a profoundly bad idea.
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