Posted on 04/24/2014 6:06:22 AM PDT by xzins
perfect verse. It’s creepy how relevant it is here.
“And they do it with Maradiaga’s sophisms, which state that, yes, Jesus’ words on marriage are binding, “but they can be interpreted” as today there are many new situations of cohabitation and “answers which can no longer be based on authoritarianism and moralism” are needed. “
Unique marriage being discussed in the Catholic church too.
Isn’t Maradiaga the Coordinator of the Council of Cardinals.
I think the “fame and fortune vs. the Word of God” argument is valid, but I think there’s another. The decision that not only preachers and teachers have, but also everyday people in the church as a whole have is...do I want to go along with accepting this, or do I stand firm in scriptural truth and face the possibility of real persecution?
I know that there are many who claim they wouldn’t care what happens to them because they are “firm in their stance” on the truth of the Word of God. They figure persecution is ‘part of the package’ of being a Christian...which it is.
People face losing friends (Facebook and/or real-time), getting called names, facing boycotts (which haven’t really worked), and face protests from people who support homosexual marriage...or homosexual inclusion into the church.
What I wonder is...how many of them who say that would stand firm will fold when real pressure is applied? What would happen when ‘bigotry’ of any sort against homosexuals is codified as law? Some say it is now...but what if it was made MUCH easier for someone to take your livelihood, your property, or to put you in prison for taking a Biblical stand?
What I am saying is that the time is fast approaching where the stand you take may mean that you really are leaving everything on the table and you will face actual persecution.
Ignore him and he will go back to sleep shortly ...
sola scriptura
So you’re saying there are no gay groups pushing for acceptance in the Catholic church?
it’s not a matter of groups pushing for this in His catholic church, since His church has steadfastly taught the sin that is homosexual behavior, whereas thru the wonderful ‘gift’ of sola scriptura, this person can again, look you in the eye and say the scripture means this and says that, and his version of the word is being guided by the holy spirit just as you say that yours is....
Mr. B that is exactly what went through my mind. Also, love your tag line : )
This is the issue of the day for 21st century Christians in America.
The problem isn’t Sola Scriptura. The problem is apostates/heretics perverting what scripture plainly says, thereby engaging in false prophesy and calling God a liar.
So, they're doing it on some basis, aren't they? One group uses one dodge, and a Catholic group uses a different dodge.
And for some reason that is a reason to attack the GOOD people who are doing the right thing.
You don't understand when to exercise unity and present a unified Christian front.
And...for the record...they AREN'T using sola scriptura, as Dr. Mohler painstakingly points out throughout this article. Sola Scriptura only applies when one is using a biblical hermeneutic.
It is when a BIBLICAL hermeneutic arrives at a wrong destination that you should say, "see, sola scriptura has problems." This is NOT one of those cases. Dr Mohler, the only one applying a biblical interpretive system, arrives at an extremely sound biblical conclusion, and apparently its a conclusion that you agree with.
Our Messiah, who is the Word that became flesh ( and we all believe that right? He didn’t just stumble into this world at Mathew?)
He gave us the command written in Leviticus 18:22
New King James Version (NKJV)
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination
The word, sharper than two edge sword, except to those who don’t want to offend someone.
Any pastor, preacher, minister, priest, pope or christian leader who cannot give us The Word that became flesh’s answer to gay sexual relations or any other sinful act , is a false teacher... there is no moral relativism in I change not.
This is a commandment as much as thou shalt not steal is...
Not tickling to the ears, but Truth is hate to all of us who hate the Truth..
The author of this thoughtful piece left out one other key scripture, a quote from Christ Himself:
“4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” (Matt. 19:4)
He says nothing about homosexual marriage. Did the Creator not know about “sexual orientation”?
Silence of the Scriptures is never an argument for license to do something different from what is specified. See the Hebrews writer’s argument in 7:14: If God through Moses “spake nothing” about it, it was NOT authorized.
The problem isn’t Sola Scriptura. The problem is apostates/heretics perverting what scripture plainly says, thereby engaging in false prophesy and calling God a liar.
Really? back in the beginning when there were heresies and apostates, what body did the correcting and excommunicating and rectifying of the issues?
Once corrected, it was gone, and not to be confused with genuine teaching of His church.
Now, 2000 years later you have folks using the word of God alone, the bible alone, and allowing the holy spirit (as they believe) to guide them, afterall, the word is all you need...and you end up with Matthew Vine, et al.
Exactly.
Dennis Prager, Why Judaism Rejected Homosexuality
Yes, you agree with the author of this article.
Is your IQ really that low, or do you just like squeezing all the truth out of your position before you post?
So what about the 1st option, that you left out, that the person is actually lying, since he is perverting the word of God and cannot be in fellowship with Christ by stating that something is OK with God when God has declared it a sin?
Why skip over the obvious and go straight to the slander or Protestants?
Im not slandering anyone, i happen to believe mr vines is dead wrong, im just pointing out the issue of protestants who claim all you need is the bible and study it and all the pieces will fall into place, this is not happening, and Mr vines is taking scripture, just like you would, on perhaps another subject, and saying, as you would, that this is what the word means, and that he has been guided by study and prayer, as well.
you can call that lying if you will, fine, but dont deny him his right to use the same scriptural techniques you use to come to theological conclusions, though not necessarily on this subject, based on sola scriptura.
The Matthew quote is Jesus actually quoting from Genesis. The author does touch on the Genesis part of the Matthew quote.
Natural law teaches that there is no means whatsoever that a penis in a rectum is going to produce combined DNA....a baby... the ULTIMATE “one flesh” that is created by a Godly union of man and woman, of sperm and egg.
Hmmm... yes, I see you point and I think you may be on to something. It is coming for all of us. And a testing of the Church is not a bad thing as a rite of purification.
Exactly. It looks like You agree strongly with the author of this article. Good.
Have been studying Genesis, the creation, fall and flood series with Kay Arthur. No serious Bible “scholar” can claim that God is okay with homosexuality. When you reference all the scriptures pertaining to the act, it is clear that God is condemning the act, and not only that, but He says that He gives men/women over to this state (act of homosexuality) when they have denied Him and refuse to believe the Truth. You cannot reconcile Matthew Vine’s book with the Bible. He should know better, as well. He has been reading commentary until he found something that he can twist into his view. That is all.
This past week, our study was about capital punishment and abortion. There is no other way to put this, but we are NOW under condemnation as a nation from God. Not just for abortion, but I think it goes back to the beginning of the 20th century, when Turkey was annihilating the Armenians and our ships were in the harbor in Izmir and refused to take the refugees on, then in WWII, when we sent the ships of Jews back to their deaths, etc. We followed WWII with the sexual revolution and legalization of abortion. Since then, we’ve had nothing but trouble in one form or another, whether it be earthquake, hurricane, fire, flooding, etc. Now it grows worse and worse.
There has not been a serious revival or spiritual awakening since the end of the 19th century, beginning of the 20th....over a hundred years. I see no evidence of anything other than a local awakening here or there in small communities. People don’t care, they have their new god, and it is government. So, fellow believers, I do believe we are going to experience some very dark days ahead and we need to prepare. God gave us Obama to bring judgment, and he is faithful in delivering it to us. Yes, God uses the unjust to judge the just...over and over in Scripture, God gave us that picture. We really need to quit complaining about Obama and how bad he is and start asking God to examine our hearts to show us every wicked thing that lies therein. Get our hearts right with Him and then begin praying for revival, getting involved in helping godly men/women get elected, and look for evidence of what God is doing around us and get involved in that to bring His kingdom closer. We are to be about His business of preparing for the kingdom. It is not until that last person that God already knows will be saved that brings Christ back, but it will be during severe persecution...as that is what will bring a revival of sorts...unsaved seeing True believers willing to die for their Faith, then they will see that it is the Truth...else why would one die for a myth or a lie? May God deal with each of us and open our eyes to see what He is clearly revealing to those with “eyes to see and ears to hear”.
God bless!
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