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Papal phone calls cannot change Church doctrine, canonist assures (Catholic Caucus)
cna ^ | April 25, 2014 | Andrea Gagliarducci

Posted on 04/25/2014 1:36:51 PM PDT by NYer

Credit: Petr Kratochvil (CC0 1.0).

Credit: Petr Kratochvil (CC0 1.0).

Vatican City, Apr 25, 2014 / 02:04 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Marriage is indissoluble according to the doctrine of the Church and a Pope’s phone call could not change that, a canon lawyer has explained.

Media speculation arose this week over an alleged phone call made by Pope Francis to a divorced and remarried Argentine woman. It is claimed he told her she could receive Communion.

It is simply “impossible Pope Francis would have changed the doctrine on the indissolubility of the marriage” via a phone call, responded Fr. Hector Franceschi, a professor of canon law and matrimony at the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross.

He told CNA April 24 that he has been astonished by “the number of reports about the story, which are clearly expressions of an agenda to change the doctrine of the indissolubility of marriage in view of the next synod of bishops, and to push the Church to change its praxis.”

While some media have made much ado about the alleged conversation, the story is doubtful in its details – Fr. Federico Lombardi, Holy See press officer, noted Thursday that “that which has been communicated in relation to this matter, outside the scope of personal relationships, and the consequent media amplification, cannot be confirmed as reliable, and is a source of misunderstanding and confusion.”

“Therefore, consequences relating to the teaching of the Church are not to be inferred from these occurrences.”

Indeed, the Church’s doctrine cannot develop in contradiction to itself.

Fr. Franceschi stressed that “in a speech given to the Roman Rota in 2000, Pope John Paul II stated that the doctrine of the indissolubility of marriage is definitive, and not even the Pope himself can change this doctrine.”

Bl. John Paul II had told the tribunal on Jan. 21, 2000 that “it is necessary to reaffirm that a ratified and consummated sacramental marriage can never be dissolved, not even by the power of the Roman Pontiff.”

“The opposite assertion would imply the thesis that there is no absolutely indissoluble marriage, which would be contrary to what the Church has taught and still teaches about the indissolubility of the marital bond,” the Pope continued.

Fr. Franceschi continued his reflection, noting that pastoral care must respond to the particularities of any given situation, adding that “a shepherd can handle with discretion peculiar cases, even while he can never go beyond doctrine.”

“In any case, it is more than clear that a person who is divorced and remarried is not excommunicated, and is not sidelined from the life of the Church.”

He suggested that any phone call from Pope Francis was a matter “not of a change in doctrine, but of pastoral care.”

“It is a way to turn upside down the notion that a sinner cannot attend Holy Mass.”

He noted that in Familiaris Consortio, his 1981 post-synodal apostolic exhortation on the Christian family’s role in the modern world, John Paul II similarly “invited those who live in irregular situations to go to Holy Mass, to ask for help and to beg for Lord’s mercy.”

Fr. Franceschi stressed that “in fact, Pope Francis has not make any official statement as Roman Pontiff. In my view, Pope Francis will not officially address the question until the synod of bishops, and any official statement will be in accordance with the doctrine of the Church.”

Pope Francis has asked for courageous pastoral care in response to the divorced and remarried, yet to be courageous “does not mean to change the doctrine of the Church,” Fr. Franceschi noted.

“To be courageous means to address the pain of the divorced and remarried, supporting them and helping them to put into practice what has been said several times in recent years. That is, do not exclude the divorced and remarried from the life of the Church, when in these days people are surprised if a divorced and remarried person even continues to attend Mass.”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: divorce; divorcecommunion; marriage

1 posted on 04/25/2014 1:36:51 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 04/25/2014 1:37:18 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Ping.


3 posted on 04/25/2014 1:39:49 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NYer

Let’s see, a Canon lawyer cites a Pope to say that a Pope can’t change the law.

That must be Common Core Jesuit Logic.


4 posted on 04/25/2014 1:55:21 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: NYer
“To be courageous means to address the pain of the divorced and remarried, supporting them and helping them to put into practice what has been said several times in recent years. That is, do not exclude the divorced and remarried from the life of the Church, when in these days people are surprised if a divorced and remarried person even continues to attend Mass.”

Why not be courageous and address the pain of active homosexual couples, child rapists, murderers, etc.?

5 posted on 04/25/2014 2:30:03 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NYer
“To be courageous means to address the pain of the divorced and remarried, supporting them and helping them to put into practice what has been said several times in recent years.

Why should the Church support unrepentant adulterers in their sins?

6 posted on 04/25/2014 2:32:23 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

“Why should the Church support unrepentant adulterers in their sins?”

No problem. Christian Churches welcome sinners to come to Christ. Send them our way.


7 posted on 04/25/2014 2:42:42 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
welcome sinners to come to Christ

That's what is supposed to be happening. What people want is to be made comfortable in their sins.

8 posted on 04/25/2014 2:55:37 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
"What people want is to be made comfortable in their sins. "

We don't see that. We see people come, meet Christ, repent, publicly be baptized to show they want to follow Him. They are sinners, all ages, pierced, tattooed, divorced, etc. They want to know God and be forgiven, have eternal life and follow Him.

... If the Roman church no longer appreciates a Savior accused of being a "friend of sinners", send the sinners to us. We know the Savior who remains a "friend of sinners."

... If the Roman church has forgotten that "Jesus Christ died for the ungodly", send the ungodly to us. We remember.

We will introduce them to Him. They aren't perfect. They won't be perfect until eternity. We will love them and introduce them to Him.

We remember His Great Commission.

9 posted on 04/25/2014 3:02:45 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Bless your heart.


10 posted on 04/25/2014 3:06:20 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

“Bless your heart.”

No problem. I’m from the south and I understand the expression. I also understand Christ’s command to all true believers...

“By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”


11 posted on 04/25/2014 3:31:12 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

You “church” condones adultery? Care to name it?


12 posted on 04/25/2014 3:31:32 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

“You “church” condones adultery?”

No Christian gathering condones any sin - ever.

Christ came to save exactly those the Bible describes as “ungodly.”

“For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.”

If you are unwilling to fulfill the Gospel at your church, please send us the ungodly. Tax collectors, prostitutes, every manner of sinner - including adulterers.

We will trust Christ to do His part.


13 posted on 04/25/2014 3:37:54 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
No Christian gathering condones any sin - ever.

Cardinal Kasper and Pope Francis have in their recent "gathering".

14 posted on 04/25/2014 3:48:30 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

‘No Christian gathering condones any sin - ever.’

........

“Cardinal Kasper and Pope Francis have in their recent “gathering”.

........

Great, we agree!

“On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.””

Mark 2:17


15 posted on 04/25/2014 3:53:58 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ebb tide
Whatever it is it's not Catholic and the way the "Catholic Caucus" header is ignored speaks volumes about what such folks think of anything other than their own opinion.

Of course, for such folks Sola Yourselfa, their own opinion, is their doctrine.

16 posted on 04/25/2014 3:54:45 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

“Whatever it is it’s not Catholic and the way the “Catholic Caucus” header is ignored speaks volumes about what such folks think of anything other than their own opinion.”

Wow. Until you said that, I did not realize this was a caucus thread and I stand corrected. Please excuse the intrusion on a Caucus. The Mod should certainly remove my discussions about Christ.


17 posted on 04/25/2014 3:56:46 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

No. We don’t agree. Many Christian churches condone sinful homosexual unions, abortions, birth control, etc.


18 posted on 04/25/2014 4:00:53 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Perhaps if you knew Him your smartazz wouldn't be the first thing people notice about you.

have a nice day

19 posted on 04/25/2014 4:02:34 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

“Whatever it is it’s not Catholic and the way the “Catholic Caucus” header is ignored speaks volumes about what such folks think of anything other than their own opinion.
Of course, for such folks Sola Yourselfa, their own opinion, is their doctrine.”

Thank-you for making my Friday night! :)


20 posted on 04/25/2014 5:19:28 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Are not churches suppose to be as Pope Francis has said, “field hospitals” for the sick?


21 posted on 04/25/2014 5:29:09 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: NYer

BTTT!


22 posted on 04/25/2014 6:50:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Talisker
I don't think you're following this. If Jesus Christ says that remarriage after divorce is adultery, then a pope who teaches this teaches infallibly by simply repeating the command of the Lord. Any Pope must say the same. There's no wiggle room in the case of a valid marriage: it's by definition (God's definition) indissoluble...

You may enjoy this: 2 minute explanation of papal infallibility, featuring rubber ducks, deluded pope, and bad math:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUjst9SSgXk

Can't tell me that isn't funny!

23 posted on 04/26/2014 10:43:39 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Her eyes, opening, looked as if they would keep on enlarging until they turned her wrongsideout. ")
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To: ebb tide; NYer
"Why not be courageous and address the pain of active homosexual couples, child rapists, murderers, etc.?"

Well yes, that too. By unrepentant mortal sin, they could not benefit from Communion even if it were (sacrilegiously) given to them -- God forbid. But nobody should be be excluded from the Church's pastoral care, leading to repentance and hope and healing from the Lord Himself.

24 posted on 04/26/2014 10:48:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Quite right, AMPU. That’s why repentance and conversion must always be preached; and hope and healing must always be practiced.


25 posted on 04/26/2014 10:49:45 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Good Catholic doctrine there!


26 posted on 04/26/2014 10:50:33 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy)
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To: ebb tide

Quote with link.


27 posted on 04/26/2014 10:51:22 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You forgot to post the link.


28 posted on 04/26/2014 12:28:39 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Sorry, I didn't explain myself properly. You said, ........ “Cardinal Kasper and Pope Francis have [condoned sin] in their recent “gathering”

I meant to say, I need a quote and link to verify that. I don't think Pope Francis condoned sin.

29 posted on 04/26/2014 1:08:20 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Save us from the fires of hell; lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy)
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