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Teachers protest new Catholic teacher contract prohibiting gay “lifestyles,” IVF
The Deacon's Bench ^ | April 25, 2014 | Deacon Greg Kendra

Posted on 04/25/2014 2:22:07 PM PDT by NYer

You may remember when this made news a few weeks back.

Now, some teachers are challenging the contract:

About 60 people gathered Tuesday on Fountain Square to protest new language in the Cincinnati archdiocese’s teacher contract.

They walked to the archdiocese offices on East Eighth Street, they said, to hand-deliver petitions – including an online version initiated locally – with more than 24,000 signatures.

The contract, which all teachers in the 19-county archdiocesan school system are required to sign for the 2014-15 school year, includes so-called morality clauses that are more detailed and restrictive than in past teacher contracts.

The contract for the first time spells out that archdiocesan teachers are not allowed to support publicly behavior that is in contrast to Roman Catholic teachings on gay “lifestyles,” out-of-wedlock relationships, abortions and certain fertility methods.

Some participants in the “March to Fix the Contract,” however, feel alienated. They said the restrictions don’t jibe with their own views as Catholics.

“They aren’t listening to all Catholics,” said Tom Flautt of Anderson Township. “They’re only listening to a small group.”

He thinks the contract is a thinly veiled attempt to shield the archdiocese from potential lawsuits – if, for example, a teacher is fired because of his or her personal beliefs.

“The whole thing is about money,” said Flautt. “This contract is an attempt to keep them from having to pay for improper labor actions.”

The march drew a mix of parents, students, former teachers and others who support their cause.

Read the rest.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; prolife; romancatholic

1 posted on 04/25/2014 2:22:07 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
They said the restrictions don’t jibe with their own views as Catholics.

And that is why the contracts have been amended.

2 posted on 04/25/2014 2:23:06 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Anyone who does not like it is free to go work in the PUBLIC schools - if they can take it.


3 posted on 04/25/2014 2:25:56 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: NYer

Libtard termites are always free to start the Sodomite Catholic Church, Gay Scouting or whatever. But they never do because they want to take over or at least neutralize any organization which opposes them.


4 posted on 04/25/2014 2:26:40 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: NYer
"They said the restrictions don’t jibe with their own views as Catholics."

Then let them leave the church and become Unitarians or atheists or whatever they are or want to be.
5 posted on 04/25/2014 2:27:08 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: NYer
The march drew a mix of parents, students, former teachers and others who support their cause.

Most notibly absent - the teachers themselves. My guess this massive crowd of 60 mostly contained the last group "others who support their cause".

6 posted on 04/25/2014 2:27:15 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: NYer

Tough.


7 posted on 04/25/2014 2:28:34 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: NYer

>>They aren’t listening to all Catholics,” said Tom Flautt of Anderson Township. “They’re only listening to a small group.”<<

Jesus, Peter and every Pope since then.

Catholics should know Catholicism isn’t a buffet-style faith.


8 posted on 04/25/2014 2:29:59 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: NYer

“They aren’t listening to all Catholics,” said Tom Flautt of Anderson Township. “They’re only listening to a small group.”

Earth to Tom: The Church is supposed to listen to the Holy Spirit, not “all Catholics”.


9 posted on 04/25/2014 2:30:01 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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Catholic school. Privately funded. Sorry CINOs ... it’s their right.


10 posted on 04/25/2014 2:31:51 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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“They said the restrictions don’t jibe with their own views as Catholics.
And that is why the contracts have been amended.”

“Their views as Catholics” are irrelevant. If they don’t subscribe to (believe in, even though they may sin from time to time) the Church doctrine, they are simply NOT Catholics.


11 posted on 04/25/2014 2:31:52 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: freedumb2003

Catholics should know Catholicism isn’t a buffet-style faith.

The gulf separating what Catholics know about their faith from what they don’t know about it is, well, big.

*sigh*


12 posted on 04/25/2014 2:32:53 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: Last Dakotan

Just so. None of them are teachers. And there’s nothing in the article to indicate that any of them have children in the Catholic school system, either.

I suspect that almost all, or maybe all, of these protestors are gay-loving outsiders. Frankly, it’s none of their business.

The Bishop is tightening up the rules now because it wasn’t necessary earlier. But better to do it now than have a bunch of trouble down the line with renegade teachers.


13 posted on 04/25/2014 2:36:02 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NYer

Really? Sixty whole people showed up? What a groundswell!


14 posted on 04/25/2014 2:38:29 PM PDT by Inwoodian
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and this is why the contracts have been amended

I don't see any reason for private religious schools NOT imposing a strict interpretation of their religious tenets on employees. If parents and teachers don't like it, they can work or have their children go to the public schools and the mayham that a lack of high standards has caused.

The problem could happen if religious schools get any kind of aid, including voucher students. It has opened the doors to federal and state regulation.

15 posted on 04/25/2014 2:41:40 PM PDT by grania
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To: NYer
The two main reasons to get a job teaching in a Catholic archdiocese school are 1) you have strong beliefs in the foundations of a good Catholic education, or 2) you aren't good enough/qualified enough/clever enough to get a job with better pay and benefits in the public school system.

Conversely, if you are good enough to get a job as a public school teacher but don't get one, you must have reasons for wanting to be at a parochial school. That would preclude being against their teachings and doctrines.

As this causes a paradox, the answer is that you are unqualified to be a school teacher, so go away.

16 posted on 04/25/2014 3:02:11 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: NYer

I imagine these marchers were delighted with the Lesbian Threesome who were recently Married to each other.


17 posted on 04/25/2014 3:04:51 PM PDT by chatham
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“The contract for the first time spells out that archdiocesan teachers are not allowed to support publicly behavior that is in contrast to Roman Catholic teachings on gay “lifestyles,” out-of-wedlock relationships, abortions and certain fertility methods.”

What horrible, brutal requirements. It’s almost like a North Korean labor camp.


18 posted on 04/25/2014 3:16:44 PM PDT by heye2monn (MO)
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To: NYer

I suspect, too, that many organizations need to shore up their bona fides regarding such issues and Obamacare or other challenges present or future.


19 posted on 04/25/2014 3:23:03 PM PDT by Apogee (Just when I thought I was All done with sleepless contemplation of jus ad bellum and jus in bello,)
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If the teachers are unhappy about this they should take it up with God. Or they can chose to not to be Christians and not teach in Christian schools.


20 posted on 04/25/2014 3:24:35 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American - Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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“What horrible, brutal requirements. It’s almost like a North Korean labor camp.”

That was very funny. But over on DU Land it would have been quite serious.


21 posted on 04/25/2014 3:30:11 PM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: NYer

Seems to me there are going to be some job openings in that Catholic School system.


22 posted on 04/25/2014 3:33:52 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, but leaning Libertarian.)
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Who’s forcing gays to teach in Catholic schools?

For making up 2-3% of the population, this group make a hell of a lot of demands on the patience of the rest of us.


23 posted on 04/25/2014 3:36:52 PM PDT by Argus
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Hey, guys! You might try Protestant schools like the one I went to!

Oh, wait, no. The one I went to, at least, is just as up-front and just as serious about expecting the staff to live what they teach, and explicity expects a lot of the same standards. So no, that wouldn’t work for you, either.

Look. I realize those standards aren’t everybody’s thing. If they’re not for you, maybe your calling to teaching really doesn’t include Christian schools.


24 posted on 04/25/2014 3:54:04 PM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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25 posted on 04/25/2014 4:00:03 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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Cincinnati is my childhood home, I still live an 1.5-2 hours away from it, and I have much family still there.

One of my grandsons will begin kgarten at the local Catholic school this next schoolyear. (My d-I-l is Catholic)

Cincinnati Parochial Schools are without doubt, and this is based on test scores, the premier schools in the entire state, not just in the city.

If they wish to maintain standards, spiritual/religious standards, then more power to them. Apparently, the entire mix of training, spiritual emphasis, standards, etc., is working beyond fabulously well.

It is a PRIVATE, RELIGIOUS school. These teachers don’t have to sign a contract and they don’t have to work there. There will be no lack of replacements.


26 posted on 04/25/2014 4:13:46 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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Catholic schools can absolutely demand fidelity to the Church’s teaching, when they’re hiring teachers. These men and women will be directly affecting the souls of the children in their charge by the example of the way they live their lives of Faith.


27 posted on 04/25/2014 4:21:25 PM PDT by SuziQ
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Tom Flautt VP of Emmeagram Society of the U. of Cincinnati has already been the subject of pastoral letter by the bishop warning Catholics to steer away from his heretic, gnostic mumble-jumble.
http://www.skepdic.com/enneagr.html


28 posted on 04/25/2014 4:33:50 PM PDT by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.r)
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To: NYer

Teachers think they can’t be replaced by faithful Catholics, but they can.


29 posted on 04/25/2014 4:47:52 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Celebrating the return of Piper after 16 days on the lam. Have a drink!)
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Gee whiz, I had a homosexual teacher in my grade school when I was going there. He was a priest, and he taught relgion classes. And he later got caught molesting little boys and sentenced to prison. And that’s why they don’t want homosexuals teaching in their schools.


30 posted on 04/25/2014 5:05:06 PM PDT by driftless2
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HEY NYER if was California not only stupid court would go on teacher side they tell school pay damages trust me


31 posted on 04/25/2014 5:43:03 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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OK, I'm confused. I'm not Catholic, but if you teach at a Catholic school, shouldn't you support Catholic standards?

The Catholic Church doesn't keep homosexuals out. They just don't want homosexuals acting on their desires, kind of like adulterers and drunks. When I was in the Marine Corps the BEST chaplain I served with was a homosexual. He had more medals than the regimental commander (he was Vietnam vet as an enlisted man). Everyone loved that guy. He never said he was homosexual, but it was kind of obvious (gentle, kind, very soft voice and a silver star, bronze star and two purple hearts- and about 10 other medals). He was always there for people and was very compassionate, but didn't mind saying, "sometimes life sucks and you move through it."

I can tell story after story about the guy, but basically, if you had a problem, he was the person you sought out.

32 posted on 04/25/2014 6:22:33 PM PDT by fini
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**Teachers protest new Catholic teacher contract prohibiting gay “lifestyles,” IVF**

Then they need to find another place to work....period.


33 posted on 04/25/2014 6:43:33 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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For making up 2-3% of the population, this group make a hell of a lot of demands on the patience of the rest of us.

The love that dare not speak it's name won't shut the H3LL up any more.

34 posted on 04/26/2014 3:36:32 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, but leaning Libertarian.)
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To: driftless2

Still no one will identify them as homosexual.


35 posted on 04/26/2014 11:17:28 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: fini
but basically, if you had a problem, he was the person you sought out.

Not me.

36 posted on 04/26/2014 11:30:18 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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they should quit if they don’t like it.


37 posted on 04/27/2014 5:24:45 PM PDT by Coleus
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If you don’t like it, leave.

The school should not just look at failure to sign the contract as grounds for dismissal, but ANY opposition should result in the same.


38 posted on 04/27/2014 8:33:50 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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