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Top 10 most interesting popes who have been declared saints
cns ^ | April 27, 2014 | Emily Antenucci and Carol Glatz

Posted on 04/27/2014 2:02:42 PM PDT by NYer


Workers carry flowers to place near the altar in St. Peter's Square April 26 in advance of the canonization of Blesseds John XXIII and John Paul II. (CNS/Paul Haring)

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- From St. Peter to Pope Francis, there have been 266 popes; 78 of them are recognized as saints, and that number will jump to 80 after the April 27 canonizations of Blesseds John XXIII and John Paul II.

The earliest popes were martyred for their faith, which the Catholic Church takes as a clear sign of holiness. Once the persecution of the church ended, the clusters of pope's names with the title "saint" before them got thinner.

Over the past 701 years, and as of April 27, only four popes will have been declared saints.

Here's a quick look at some of the top 10 most interesting of the earliest popes who are saints:

1. St. Peter, who was first named Simon, was the first to refer to Jesus as Christ, the Son of the living God. His special stature in the Gospels to "feed the sheep" of Christ helped form his mission to proclaim, protect and nourish the faith. He is also considered the first pope. Early tradition says he was crucified at the foot of Vatican Hill in the mid-60s during the reign of Emperor Nero, martyred because of his Christian faith and preaching. His tomb is believed to have been found under St. Peter's Basilica.

2. St. Soter was Bishop of Rome from around 167 A.D. to his death about seven years later. It's believed St. Soter formally introduced the annual celebration of Easter in Rome.

3. St. Fabian was pope 236-250. He is famous for the miraculous nature of his election, in which a dove is said to have descended on his head to mark him as the Holy Spirit's unexpected choice to become the next pope.

4. St. Damasus was born in Rome and served as pope 366-384. His papacy coincided with the establishment of Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire in 380, and he was a staunch advocate of the primacy of the bishop of Rome as being the direct successor of Peter. He is said to have established Latin as the standard liturgical language in Rome.

5. St. Leo the Great was born with the name Leo, which he kept as pope. Serving as pope 440-461, he was the first pope to be called "the great" and is a doctor of the church. He confirmed the church's position on the incarnation of Christ -- that Christ was both divine and human. He is best known for having met Attila the Hun in 452 and persuading him to turn back from his invasion of Italy.

6. St. Gregory the Great was pope 590-604 and was the second pope to be referred to as "the Great," after Leo. He was related to two popes, and his mother and two aunts were also canonized, leading him to be considered "a saint among saints." He had been a monk and did not want to serve as pope upon his election. He often lamented his new duties as pontiff as having to "bear with secular business" and no longer being part of the peaceful and contemplative life of the monastery. Nonetheless, he put great emphasis on simplicity and charity and donated food to Rome's poor as well as invited poor people to eat with him each day.

7. St. Nicholas I the Great was pope 858-867. He was the third and last pope to receive the title of "great." He worked to strengthen papal authority and denied anyone had the right to depose a bishop without papal authority. He staunchly upheld marriage laws and urged bishops of their duty to excommunicate a royal Catholic who left her spouse for another. He did support freedom to marry and did not endorse some bishops when they excommunicated another royal for marrying without her father's consent.

8. St. Gregory VII was pope 1073-1085. He enacted many reforms such as reversing centuries of civil control over church affairs and giving the pope of Rome full sovereignty over all church affairs in the West. He promoted a more saintly episcopacy and priesthood and fought against simony, the buying and selling of church office. He introduced the legislation that locked in the observance of celibacy, despite frequent debates over the issue. He decreed the Roman rite for all of Europe and established Nov. 1 as All Saints' Day. He lifted the excommunication of Emperor Henry IV in 1077 after the emperor did public penance of walking barefoot in the snow.

9. St. Celestine V was a Benedictine monk and hermit who resigned from the papacy just a few months after his election in 1294 because he wanted to return to his humble monastic life. He issued a papal bull articulating the ability of a pope to resign and establishing rules for an abdication. Pope Benedict XVI, the next pope in history who would voluntarily resign in 2013, placed the pallium he received when he was elected in 2005 on the saint's tomb in L'Aquila, Italy, in 2009 and left it there as a gift.

10. St. Pius X was elected pope in 1903 and served until his death in 1914. He promoted greater piety among the faithful, encouraged the frequent reception of the sacraments of penance and the Eucharist, and insisted on proper decorum during the celebration of the Mass. He highlighted the beauty and appropriateness of Gregorian chant, cautioned against using popular musical styles and encouraged efforts to ensure that the faithful could participate actively in the Mass by singing. He reorganized the Roman Curia and established a congregation of cardinals to codify Canon Law. He embraced scientific inquiry and designed sundials. However, when given the first papal car in 1909 by then-Archbishop John M. Farley of New York, the pope never used it, sticking with his horse and landau carriage.


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1 posted on 04/27/2014 2:02:42 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 04/27/2014 2:03:01 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Officially, what are Pope John XXIII and Pope John Paul II to be called? I haven’t seen anything except supposition.


3 posted on 04/27/2014 2:23:41 PM PDT by NCC-1701 (I am proud of what America USED TO BE.)
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To: NYer

Does canonization mean they get better benefits? What is the point of all this?


4 posted on 04/27/2014 2:25:10 PM PDT by SgtHooper (This is my tag!)
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To: NYer
He is also considered the first pope.

I suspect it's news to him.

5 posted on 04/27/2014 2:29:42 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: NCC-1701

Pope Saint John XXIII and Pope Saint John Paul II.


6 posted on 04/27/2014 2:29:59 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: NYer
Pope Gregory VII (Hildebrand) is famous for his lengthy battle with the Emperor Henry IV. He died in Salerno; his last words were "I have loved justice and hated iniquity, and therefore I die in exile."

His tomb is in the Norman cathedral in Salerno, which had just recently been built. Somehow it survived WWII. The Normans conquered Southern Italy and later also Sicily.

7 posted on 04/27/2014 2:35:53 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: NCC-1701

On feast days, the title will look like this:
St. John XXII, Pope
St. John Paul II, Pope

just as we now have
St. Pius X, Pope

Some will also have the word Martyr in the explanation of the title if they were martyred for the faith.


8 posted on 04/27/2014 2:36:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SgtHooper

Respect from those on earth.


9 posted on 04/27/2014 2:37:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SgtHooper
What is the point of all this?

Heros! Simply put, saints are ordinary people, like you and me, who achieved extraordinary things through faith in Christ. What is a saint? First of all, one who knows he is a sinner. A saint knows all the news, both the bad news of sin and the good news of salvation.

There are many saints in heaven who are unknown to us. The point of this is to set an example for us to follow .. essentially, a role model .. whose life is a testimony to heroic value. The secularists have Superman or Spiderman; we have saints.

10 posted on 04/27/2014 2:37:42 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: SgtHooper
Does canonization mean they get better benefits?

Of course. They get more frequent flier miles/points when they get their wings. They get the Platinum Health Heavencare Plan. And their pick of the harps.

11 posted on 04/27/2014 2:38:43 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: NYer
Interesting post!

Thanks!

ABC :o) J/K.

12 posted on 04/27/2014 3:03:40 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NCC-1701

Pope St John XXIII and Pope St John Paul II.


13 posted on 04/27/2014 3:06:31 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: SgtHooper

“Does canonization mean they get better benefits? What is the point of all this?”

Point:

1) To publically offer glory to God for the great works He has wrought.
2) To declare what is known.
3) To add the saints to the calendar for public commemoration and veneration with the liturgy.
4) To offer the new saints as models for people to emulate in service to Christ and His Church.


14 posted on 04/27/2014 3:09:15 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; SgtHooper
“Does canonization mean they get better benefits? What is the point of all this?”

The Roman Catholic cult is full of such nonsense. They claim to be the authors of the Bible, yet deny the actions of the Holy Spirit which caused it to be recorded. They raise Peter, the liar, as their primate, and deny Paul (the Apostle previously known as Saul, who persecuted the new Christians, until God struck him down on the road to Damascus) has much credibility and discount his teachings. Yet, it is Paul's writings that give us the clearest intent of what God requires of us.

The Roman cult acts similar to the Pharisees of Jesus's time.

Micah 6: 8 He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.

....

Matthew 23: ... 16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ 17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started! ...

....

Romans2: ...5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

15 posted on 04/27/2014 4:02:05 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Let's keep the grassroots momentum going ..." -Sarah Palin 4/19/14)
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To: WVKayaker

When Protestant anti-Catholics have nothing worthwhile to say they go out of their way to throw the kitchen sink at you.


16 posted on 04/27/2014 4:04:10 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: NYer

He turned me into a newt! Is that a miracle?


17 posted on 04/27/2014 4:09:22 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: NYer

So a commoner like me can recommend other commoners for sainthood? Why not elevate more commoners than the notorious?


18 posted on 04/27/2014 4:11:07 PM PDT by SgtHooper (This is my tag!)
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To: WVKayaker
deny Paul (the Apostle previously known as Saul, who persecuted the new Christians, until God struck him down on the road to Damascus) has much credibility and discount his teachings

We put Paul in the Bible and studied his teaching a thousand years before your heretical cult was hatched.

19 posted on 04/27/2014 4:13:54 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
We put Paul in the Bible and studied his teaching a thousand years before your heretical cult was hatched.

Ahhh, the ubiquitous "we". I see nothing that links Scripture to belonging to some distinct group of men. Paul is the one who is was called by Christ and became the most prolific writer to the new church. He wrote directly about those at Rome, and aptly placed them in the right place. Paul's ministry ws to the Gentiles, whereas your claim to Peter defies the logic of his calling to preach to the Jews.

My faith is in Christ, not in some group of men in fancy costumes, claiming to be the ones called as leaders of some group. I do not belong to a 'cult', but I do see any religious structure based on a designated hierarchy making claims of infallibility as a classic cult. The age of the constituency doesn't matter, it is the content that completes the description. Therefore, it is reasonable to presume the Roman Catholic religion is also the largest cult of personality.

Romans 11: ... 13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

20 posted on 04/27/2014 4:44:10 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Let's keep the grassroots momentum going ..." -Sarah Palin 4/19/14)
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To: NYer
7. St. Nicholas I the Great was pope 858-867. He was the third and last pope to receive the title of "great." He worked to strengthen papal authority and denied anyone had the right to depose a bishop without papal authority. He staunchly upheld marriage laws and urged bishops of their duty to excommunicate a royal Catholic who left her spouse for another. He did support freedom to marry and did not endorse some bishops when they excommunicated another royal for marrying without her father's consent.

Unlike the current pontiff who seems hell bent on giving Holy Communion to adulterers.

21 posted on 04/27/2014 5:55:57 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: SgtHooper
Why not elevate more commoners than the notorious?

Like this one?


St. Gianna Beretta Molla
In 1961, Gianna was once again expecting. During the second month, Gianna developed a fibroma on her uterus. After examination, the doctors gave her three choices: an abortion, which would save her life and allow her to continue to have children; a complete hysterectomy, which would preserve her life, but take the unborn child's life, and prevent further pregnancy; or removal of only the fibroma, with the potential of further complications. After the operation, complications continued throughout her pregnancy. Gianna was quite clear about her wishes, expressing to her family, "This time it will be a difficult delivery, and they may have to save one or the other -- I want them to save my baby."

On April 21, 1962, Good Friday of that year, Gianna went to the hospital, where her fourth child, Gianna Emanuela, was successfully delivered via Caesarean section. However, Gianna continued to have severe pain, and died of septic peritonitis 7 days after the birth.

On April 21, 1962, Good Friday of that year, Gianna went to the hospital, where her fourth child, Gianna Emanuela, was successfully delivered via Caesarean section. However, Gianna continued to have severe pain, and died of septic peritonitis 7 days after the birth.

The miracle recognized by the Roman Catholic Church to canonize Gianna Molla involved a mother, Elizabeth Comparini, who was 16 weeks pregnant in 2003 and sustained a tear in her placenta that drained her womb of all amniotic fluid. Because a normal term of pregnancy is 40 weeks, Comparini was told by her doctors the baby's chance of survival was "nil."

Through praying to Gianna Molla and asking for her intercession, Comparini delivered by Caesarean a healthy baby despite the lack of amniotic fluid for the remainder of her pregnancy.

22 posted on 04/27/2014 7:32:33 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: vladimir998; Campion; SgtHooper
When Protestant anti-Catholics have nothing worthwhile to say they go out of their way to throw the kitchen sink at you.

When Catholic anti-Protestants have nothing worthwhile to say, they spam FreeRepublic hourly with their liturgical nonsense.

Hebrews 13: ... 9 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. It is good for our hearts to be strengthened by grace, not by eating ceremonial foods, which is of no benefit to those who do so. 10 We have an altar from which those who minister at the tabernacle have no right to eat.

11 The high priest carries the blood of animals into the Most Holy Place as a sin offering, but the bodies are burned outside the camp. 12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. 13 Let us, then, go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore. 14 For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come.

15 Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise—the fruit of lips that openly profess his name. 16 And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.

23 posted on 04/27/2014 7:55:18 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Let's keep the grassroots momentum going ..." -Sarah Palin 4/19/14)
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To: WVKayaker

Amen.


24 posted on 04/27/2014 7:57:45 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: NYer
I love the Pope Fabian story. The Dove landed on him. Which made this obscure man the Pope. Lol

http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=47

25 posted on 04/27/2014 8:50:40 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=47


26 posted on 04/27/2014 8:50:58 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

Early life and accession
According to the Liber Pontificalis, Fabian was a noble Roman by birth, and his father’s name was Fabius. Nothing more is known about his background. The legend concerning the circumstances of his election is preserved by the fourth-century writer Eusebius of Caesarea (Church History, VI. 29).[5] After the short reign of Pope Anterus, Fabian had come to Rome from the countryside when the new papal election began. “Although present,” says Eusebius, Fabian “was in the mind of none.” While the names of several illustrious and noble churchmen were being considered over the course of thirteen days, a dove suddenly descended upon the head of Fabian. To the assembled electors, this strange sight recalled the gospel scene of the descent of the Holy Spirit on Jesus at the time of his baptism by John the Baptist. The congregation took this as a sign that he was marked out for this dignity, and Fabian was at once proclaimed bishop by acclamation, although there were several famous men amongst the candidates for the vacant position.[5]


27 posted on 04/27/2014 8:52:46 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: NYer

Stay faithful, my friends.


28 posted on 04/28/2014 1:51:05 AM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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To: WVKayaker

“When Catholic anti-Protestants have nothing worthwhile to say, they spam FreeRepublic hourly with their liturgical nonsense.”

Such as?


29 posted on 04/28/2014 4:07:34 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
“When Catholic anti-Protestants have nothing worthwhile to say, they spam FreeRepublic hourly with their liturgical nonsense.” -wvk

Such as? -vlad

You asked for an example, and I will post the words from Jesus mouth! It is illustrative of how hypocritical the Roman Catholic cult is perceived...

Matthew 6: 1 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

30 posted on 04/28/2014 4:48:39 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("Let's keep the grassroots momentum going ..." -Sarah Palin 4/19/14)
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To: WVKayaker

I did ask for an example. I asked for an example of this: “When Catholic anti-Protestants have nothing worthwhile to say, they spam FreeRepublic hourly with their liturgical nonsense.”

You failed to post such an example. I am not surprised that you failed.


31 posted on 04/28/2014 4:55:13 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
You failed to post such an example.

No fail here, except in simple minded people! I am not surprised at the puerile response.

You still have nothing to say in response, but decided to deride the Scripture I posted. It is a clear response to the spam from the RCC within FreeRepublic.

32 posted on 04/28/2014 5:02:24 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("Let's keep the grassroots momentum going ..." -Sarah Palin 4/19/14)
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To: WVKayaker

“No fail here, except in simple minded people!”

You’re clearly talking about yourself.

“I am not surprised at the puerile response.”

I am not surprised that you would say such a thing when you failed to provide evidence in support of your own claim.

“You still have nothing to say in response,”

Clearly I responded with a question. Clearly you failed to answer it with what evidence I asked for.

“but decided to deride the Scripture I posted.”

I derided no scripture. Are you now simply going to make up false things I never said? Why is it that anti-Catholics so quickly resort to posting outright falsehoods?

“It is a clear response to the spam from the RCC within FreeRepublic.”

What “liturgical nonsense” is posted as spam here? Can you answer the question or not?


33 posted on 04/28/2014 5:09:50 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: johngrace

Thank you for posting that fascinating history of the saint.


34 posted on 04/28/2014 5:32:06 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: vladimir998
Why is it that anti-Catholics so quickly resort to posting outright falsehoods?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa...

Your question is not a response. Your posts are nonsensical diatribes against those you accuse of being anti-cultists.

You also make rash statements about others who make a mark on your beloved cult. The statements I posted from from Christ's mouth are enough to indict your cult!

What “liturgical nonsense” is posted as spam here?

Vain repetitious prayers posted repeatedly, malconceived appeals to dead people and a constant elevating a human woman as equal to Christ, among other things ...!

But, I am sure you will snark again! You have no answers!

35 posted on 04/28/2014 5:43:19 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("Let's keep the grassroots momentum going ..." -Sarah Palin 4/19/14)
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To: NYer

Thank you for your posts always. I just love this man’s story. The dove landed on him. He blossomed into a great leader and martyr. I read the cardinals had a miracle like this with Pope Francis.


36 posted on 04/28/2014 6:05:22 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: WVKayaker

“Vain repetitious prayers posted repeatedly, malconceived appeals to dead people and a constant elevating a human woman as equal to Christ, among other things ...!”

Again, will you actually post examples of “liturgical nonsense”? All you’re doing is venting about things - none of which even appear to be liturgical matters. Will you post any examples or not?

“But, I am sure you will snark again! You have no answers!”

Clearly you have no answers. You have failed, again.


37 posted on 04/28/2014 10:40:32 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Nice try, again, but the only failure is in your apparent inability to understand simple English. I posted examples of your cult's liturgical nonsense...

Liturgy- Liturgy is the customary public worship done by a specific religious group, according to its particular traditions. -wiki

ie: “Vain repetitious prayers posted repeatedly, malconceived appeals to dead people and a constant elevating of a human woman as an equal to Christ, among other things ...!”

Have a nice day! I'm done with your nonsense. You can post about alleged failures all you wish, but the readers can easily see your lack of a decisive response. I have done my job. I am just following Paul's advice to Timothy...

1 Timothy 1: 3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. 5 The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. 7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. 8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

38 posted on 04/28/2014 2:20:29 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Let's keep the grassroots momentum going ..." -Sarah Palin 4/19/14)
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To: WVKayaker

“I posted examples of your cult’s liturgical nonsense...”

No, actually you didn’t. You can quote Wikipedia all you want. What you can’t do is be taken seriously when you think anything liturgical among Christians is “Vain repetitious prayers”.

You failed. Again.


39 posted on 04/28/2014 4:17:51 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
...anything liturgical among Christians Roman Catholics is “Vain repetitious prayers”.

Whatever!

So, go say 14 "Hail Mary's" and 17 "Our Father's" and don't forget to give my regards to Saint Whoever...

Hebrews 5: ... Page Options Share on facebook Share on twitter Share on email << < = = > >> Show resourcesAdd parallel Hebrews 5 New International Version (NIV) 5 Every high priest is selected from among the people and is appointed to represent the people in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. 2 He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness. 3 This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people. 4 And no one takes this honor on himself, but he receives it when called by God, just as Aaron was. 5 In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.”[a] 6 And he says in another place, “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.”[b] 7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

11 We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand. 12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

40 posted on 04/28/2014 4:35:13 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Let's keep the grassroots momentum going ..." -Sarah Palin 4/19/14)
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To: WVKayaker

“Whatever!”

Ah, the last resort of every teenager.

You fail. Again.


41 posted on 04/28/2014 6:30:53 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
You fail. Again.

How could I have failed?

My intent was to expose the hypocrisy of your cult. I succeeded far beyond what I wanted, when I got you to repeat your same old worn-out Q&A without answering a single point with a valid refutation!!!

YOU FAIL on all counts!

Romans 8: 14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.


42 posted on 04/28/2014 6:41:05 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Let's keep the grassroots momentum going ..." -Sarah Palin 4/19/14)
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To: WVKayaker

“How could I have failed?”

You showed up. That’s all it took.


43 posted on 04/28/2014 7:28:00 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
You have no response other than to attack me? There is no argument against my points.

Poor thing... I will not feel sorry, though! You deserve the obscurity of anonymity! Channel your dead pope or pray to your dead saints, and I will live my Christian life to the fullest!

Romans 8: 37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. .

44 posted on 04/28/2014 8:20:03 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Let's keep the grassroots momentum going ..." -Sarah Palin 4/19/14)
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You showed up. That’s all it took.

Perfect.

45 posted on 04/28/2014 8:25:38 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: vladimir998; WVKayaker

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


47 posted on 04/28/2014 8:50:48 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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