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What Made Texas Gov. Rick Perry Get Baptized Again?
Charisma News ^ | 4/30/2014 | Jennifer Leclaire

Posted on 04/30/2014 7:15:17 PM PDT by wonkowasright

Do you remember the Christian prayer rally that filled Houston’s Reliant Stadium? "The Response" made cross-denominational waves, uniting people in prayer in a massive way.

So why would its organizer, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, need to be baptized?

The Associated Press reports that Perry was baptized last month in Little Rocky Creek near the small town of Independence. It was the same little creek where Texas icon Sam Houston was baptized. But again, why?


TOPICS: Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: baptism; perry; politics
Once again Perry the Platypus is trying to look churchy and soon will try his hand at looking tea partyish.
1 posted on 04/30/2014 7:15:17 PM PDT by wonkowasright
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To: wonkowasright

Perry isn’t perfect.....but he would be one of the candidates I would find acceptable if he ran for POTUS.


2 posted on 04/30/2014 7:17:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Perry isn’t perfect.....but he would be one of the candidates I would find acceptable if he ran for POTUS.

Hopefully he forgets he is running for President. Perhaps something safer and easier like a House seat is more appropriate for him.


3 posted on 04/30/2014 7:18:05 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: wonkowasright

“I got baptized for three reasons — my faith in Jesus as my Savior, my belief that it would be politically helpful, and ... uhhhh ... uhhh ... I forget the third reason.”


4 posted on 04/30/2014 7:19:49 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: dfwgator; napscoordinator

If Perry does run in 2016, I hope he remembers MORE THEN 3 Federal government departments he would close down.

This time, don’t forget the BLM :)


5 posted on 04/30/2014 7:21:32 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: wonkowasright

I don’t think it is appropriate to mock a Texan getting baptized.


6 posted on 04/30/2014 7:21:44 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yep!


7 posted on 04/30/2014 7:22:37 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: wonkowasright

I would say that if he didn’t ask anyone’s opinion about it; then it’s no ones business except his and God’s.


8 posted on 04/30/2014 7:24:28 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: wonkowasright
Re-dedication?
9 posted on 04/30/2014 7:24:50 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: wonkowasright
john edwards photo: John Breck Girl Edwards breckgirl.gif

Rick Perry is the Republican answer to John Edwards.

10 posted on 04/30/2014 7:25:29 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: dfwgator

He will have to do a 180 on his stance on immigration reform before I would consider him. That’s like a tiger changing his stripes.


11 posted on 04/30/2014 7:25:45 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: wonkowasright

Since this was done in private with family I am wondering how it was even brought to anyone else’s attention.

I am not so quick to trash what is someone else’s faith efforts. That Mr. Perry felt a need for a recommitment to his faith then good for him. I don’t know his heart and neither do you. Quit being so dimorat in your evaluation


12 posted on 04/30/2014 7:25:59 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: wonkowasright

I doubt if anyone really knows why the Governor was baptized again outside of perhaps his immediate family.

I do know many people are not only baptized “again” as adults, but have also accepted Christ into their life or rededicated themselves. Many people do so the first time as a small child and because their parents or grandparents felt they should, not necessarily because the Holy Spirit moved them to do so or because they truly understood what giving one’s life to Christ was all about.


13 posted on 04/30/2014 7:29:06 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Nifster

Agree. Only God knows his heart.


14 posted on 04/30/2014 7:29:59 PM PDT by Shelayne
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To: ClearCase_guy

WOW was that a tacky statement. What kind of person mocks someone who is accepting the Lord through baptism? Seriously, what on earth were you thinking?


15 posted on 04/30/2014 7:31:21 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Snickering Hound

That doesn’t make any sense.


16 posted on 04/30/2014 7:33:43 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Shelayne

Because he’s going into battle. Spiritual battle.


17 posted on 04/30/2014 7:34:28 PM PDT by txhurl (Trump/Cruz '16, and everybody else for Cabinet members.)
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To: y'all

Pastor Burleson had built a baptistry in the rock bed of Kountz Creek just north of Independence and announced that Houston was to be baptized there later that day. Upon inspection, Burleson found that some pranksters had filled it with mud and tree tops, so he decided to change the venue to Little Rocky Creek nearby. Following the baptism, Burleson is reported to have said “Now Sam, your sins are all washed away.” Houston’s characteristic reply was “God help the fishes!” While the quotes may vary somewhat from account to account, the essence of the exchange is the same. Houston was profoundly changed.

Lesser known is that Houston also is reported to have said, “Well, preacher, you’ve baptized my pocket book!” and thereafter paid half of Rufus Burleson’s salary.


18 posted on 04/30/2014 7:34:46 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: dfwgator

I agree. Right now a PERRY/WALKER ticket looks good to me. I’m sorry I bought into that Perry is a RINO carpola in 2012. We need some mature adults running the country.


19 posted on 04/30/2014 7:35:09 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Nifster
This is the first I've heard about it...and I live in Texas!

Nobody's business but his.

20 posted on 04/30/2014 7:35:26 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: smokingfrog

**Following the baptism, Burleson is reported to have said “Now Sam, your sins are all washed away.”**

Wow, sounds like Burleson agreed with the conversion of Paul, where Ananias said, “And why now tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord”. Acts 22:16

I wonder if Burleson baptized in the name of Jesus like Peter commanded.


21 posted on 04/30/2014 7:57:17 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Snickering Hound

Gov. Goodhair the only thing you can come up with?

Perry has been both the longest Texas Governor in office and one of the most popular ever. Lots of folks have wished they hadn’t underestimated Rick Perry, don’t be one of them.


22 posted on 04/30/2014 7:57:40 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: wonkowasright; All

Good grief .. what a smarmy comment.

In the Christian faith, it is acceptable to “re-dedicate” your life by being Baptized again.

No special deal to it. You just go to the Pastor and ask permission to re-dedicate your life. Usually, I have found that this happens when people have made a firm commitment to God to complete some task God has asked them to do.

It has nothing to do with being “churchy”. However, I’m glad to know this so I can add the Gov to my prayer list.


23 posted on 04/30/2014 7:57:48 PM PDT by CyberAnt (True the Vote: MY AMERICA, "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: wonkowasright

Per Wiki, “Perry grew up in the United Methodist Church”. United Methodist Church believes in paedobaptism. Rick probably got baptized as a baby.

He now attends Lake Hills Church, which believes in believer baptism, or credobaptism. Lake Hills Church probably does not recognize paedobaptism, etc. etc.

Also, here is Ricks testimony in Sept, 2011:

“My faith journey is not the story of someone who turned to God because I wanted to. It was because I had nowhere else to turn. I was 27. I’d been an officer in the United States Air Force commanding a fairly substantial piece of sophisticated equipment, telling men and women what to do. But I was lost spiritually and emotionally. And I didn’t know how to fix it,” Perry said.

At another point in the speech he said that “Christian values” should be given supremacy over other religions in guiding the U.S. government.”


24 posted on 04/30/2014 8:02:11 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: Nifster

Since this was done in private with family I am wondering how it was even brought to anyone else’s attention.

I am not so quick to trash what is someone else’s faith efforts. That Mr. Perry felt a need for a recommitment to his faith then good for him. I don’t know his heart and neither do you. Quit being so dimorat in your evaluation

I concur

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25 posted on 04/30/2014 8:03:20 PM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: ForYourChildren

I just found this link which pretty much sums it all up:
http://www.texastribune.org/2014/04/29/perry-baptized-anew-historic-creek/


26 posted on 04/30/2014 8:04:58 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: CyberAnt

No it isn’t. A valid Christian baptism confers an ontological character that’s permanent. An attempted second baptism has no such effect.


27 posted on 04/30/2014 8:14:31 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: ForYourChildren
And then there is this link on FreeRepublic:

United Methodist Church to Grant Benefits to Employees in Same-Sex Marriages http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3150667/posts

United Methodist Church is a very liberal church in general.

No wonder why Rick would out of that church.

Also notice who is a member of United Methodist Church, from wiki: "former President George W. Bush (R-TX) is United Methodist and former Vice President Dick Cheney (R-WY) attends a United Methodist Church, although he is not a member. The junior U.S. Senator from Ohio, Rob Portman (R-OH), attends Hyde Park Community United Methodist Church in Cincinnati. In addition, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (D-NY) and former Senator Max Cleland (D-GA) are also United Methodists. Many practicing United Methodists believe this flexibility is one of the UMC's strongest qualities."

28 posted on 04/30/2014 8:16:45 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: HereInTheHeartland

AMEN
Why question why any man would want to be baptized again?
Many Christians, for personal reasons are baptized a second time and maybe more.
I was baptized when I was 11 yrs. old. At age 55, I was baptized again. You will feel renewed, that was the best feeling.
It all depends on your relationship with God, only you would know. Naysayers should remain quite!


29 posted on 04/30/2014 8:31:44 PM PDT by DaltonNC
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To: Romulus

Hmmmm ..?? Really ..?? What church says that when you are Baptized an ontological character is permanently conferred upon you ..??

Baptism (the submersion into water), is an outward symbol of an inward decision - to follow Christ. The Baptism means, you died with Christ. After you are submerged and then lifted up .. it’s a symbolic gesture of being raised with Christ to a new life.

If you don’t agree .. that’s just fine with me.


30 posted on 04/30/2014 8:37:25 PM PDT by CyberAnt (True the Vote: MY AMERICA, "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: wonkowasright

It’s called “Believer’s Baptism” and it’s the right thing to do after believing that Jesus Christ is Lord of your life. It’s appropriate because it is an opportunity to testify of God’s awesome love for you.
It’s pretty common really~ especially for someone who... Trusts Christ personally.


31 posted on 04/30/2014 9:09:31 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: CyberAnt

* Really ..?? What church says that when you are Baptized an ontological character is permanently conferred upon you ..??*

The Catholic Church. The Orthodox churches. Most mainline protestant communions. About 95% of the Christians in the world don’t agree with your idiosyncratic understanding of baptism.


32 posted on 04/30/2014 9:09:54 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Nifster
"Since this was done in private with family I am wondering how it was even brought to anyone else’s attention."

You're right. Someone thought they could make political hay out of it, that's the bottom line.

Obviously, they were right and a lot of people will go on about it even though there really aren't any details and there shouldn't be since it was private.

33 posted on 04/30/2014 10:08:12 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: wonkowasright
Supposing Governor Perry doesn't have a political or public reason for being baptized. Many people have made professions of faith when they were children--accepting the Lord, asking Him to come into their hearts because He shed his blood and rose again to save us from sin, and the person realizes that need for salvation [Romans 10:9-10, 13].

Then, sometimes, an adult realizes later on in life that they made a profession because of the emotionalism of the moment, or to please their parents, or did so because their friends did. The adult realizes that he or she has never really been saved. So he or she makes a fully-informed profession of faith. The condition for baptism according to the New Testament is faith in Christ. So if the adult did not have saving faith in his hear when he was previously baptized, then he or she has never been Scripturally baptized.

So the adult, having really come to faith later in life, may well choose to be baptized to fulfill the New Testament condition of faith in Christ.

That may have been what happened to Governor Perry. But whatever the reason for his being baptized, that is strictly between him and the Lord. Neither you nor I have any reason to question what is in the heart of another person. I note that a lot of people here at FR frequently made such judgments of someone else's spiritual decisions when it's none of our business. If Governor Perry has made a profession of faith and was baptized, then it my responsibility to accept the word of a brother in Christ, and not the word of of someone else.
34 posted on 04/30/2014 11:03:57 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Romulus

Jesus was taken to the Temple at 12 for a ‘dedication’.
As an adult He was baptized by John.


35 posted on 05/01/2014 5:50:27 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: wonkowasright

When did Barack Obama EVER get baptized?


36 posted on 05/01/2014 7:44:49 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: ansel12

I wonder if it is even safe to mock a Texan for getting baptized...


37 posted on 05/01/2014 8:09:07 AM PDT by Tammy8
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To: Tammy8

Why would someone want to mock any Christian’s baptism, or God at all?


38 posted on 05/01/2014 9:19:56 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

I have no understanding of that. I thought everyone was free to worship in any way- and I have never heard of a limit on baptism.


39 posted on 05/01/2014 11:05:24 AM PDT by Tammy8
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To: wonkowasright

I’d say a private affair isn’t trying to look churchy or teapartish.
********

http://www.texastribune.org/2014/04/29/perry-baptized-anew-historic-creek/

“He had his parents with him and his sister and a couple of guests, just a few. It was
very low key,” Hassell said. “I never met him before, but he was personable, kind
of down to earth.”

While at the church, Perry played a gospel hymn on an 1874 pump organ, which makes
sound with the help of foot-operated bellows.

“It’s not easy to play a pump organ. You’ve got to move your feet while you play,”
Hassell said. “I thought he played well.”

Former Perry aide and speechwriter Eric Bearse said he wasn’t surprised that
Perry renewed his faith in a private, intimate ceremony.

“Baptism is a very personal expression of faith,” Bearse said. “He has a deep and
abiding faith, and it influences his view of the world and how he lives his life,
but not every expression of faith is meant to be a public ceremony.”
end snip


40 posted on 05/01/2014 11:23:06 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport; All

A private affair .... complete with speachwriters commenting, spokesmen making comments, and all the rest of a well managed pr campaign.

Lest we forget Perry the Playtpus campaigned for Albert Gore in the presidential primaries.

He’d claim to be Eleanor Roosevelt if he thought it would get him elected.


41 posted on 05/01/2014 3:17:09 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

Yep all or at least most of us aren’t as pure as the driven snow and have made changes
in our lives. Hell even Reagan was a democrat at one time in his live span.

Take care.


42 posted on 05/01/2014 3:34:47 PM PDT by deport
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To: Romulus

Well .. you’re entitled to your belief and I’m entitled to mine .. I guess we’ll find out who’s right when we get to Heaven.


43 posted on 05/01/2014 3:35:25 PM PDT by CyberAnt (True the Vote: MY AMERICA, "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: wonkowasright

Where was all that?


44 posted on 05/01/2014 9:39:48 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Romulus

Baptists don’t believe that.


45 posted on 05/01/2014 10:05:55 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: ansel12; All

Well..if you mock a Texan’s baptism...one might find one shot with a Texan’s 6 shooter water gun! :)


46 posted on 05/01/2014 10:24:08 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: RobbyS

I know. But I’m sure you know that that belief is very recent in Christian history, and held by only a small minority of those calling themselves Christian.


47 posted on 05/02/2014 7:19:11 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: wonkowasright

http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/22/conservative-ire-with-perry-runs-deep-reflects-racial-politics/


48 posted on 05/02/2014 11:11:27 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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