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Scientists uncover what may be an early image of Christ
Deacon's Bench ^ | May 1, 2014 | Deacon Greg Kendra

Posted on 05/01/2014 1:57:07 PM PDT by NYer

Some intriguing news from the world of archeology:

Spanish archaeologists have discovered what may be one of the earliest depictions of Jesus in an ancient Egyptian tomb.

Painted on the walls of a mysterious underground stone structure in the ancient Egyptian city of Oxyrhynchus, about 100 miles south of Cairo, the image shows a young man with curly hair and dressed in a short tunic.

“He raises his hand as if making a blessing,” said Egyptologist Josep Padró, who has spent over 20 years excavating sites in the area.

In this expedition, he led a team of archaeologists from the University of Barcelona, the Catalan Egyptology Society and the University of Montpellier.

“We could be dealing with a very early image of Jesus Christ,” Padró added.

Oxyrhynchus is known for the worship of the Egyptian god of the afterlife Osiris: indeed the underground structure was located in the middle of a processional route that joins the Nile with the Osireion, the temple dedicated to Osiris.

But the painting is from much later, dating from between the sixth and seventh century A.D.

Read the rest.


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: archaeology; christ; egypt; godsgravesglyphs; jesus; jesuschrist; osireion; osiris; oxyrhynchus; oxyrhynchuspapyri

1 posted on 05/01/2014 1:57:07 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
Once inside, the archaeologists found five or six coats of paint on the walls, the last of which was from the Coptic period of the first Christians. In addition to the image of the curly man, the walls feature symbols and images of plants and inscriptions written in the Coptic language, which are currently being translated.

Ping!

2 posted on 05/01/2014 1:57:45 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

yeh...right


3 posted on 05/01/2014 1:58:56 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SunkenCiv

For the ping list?


4 posted on 05/01/2014 2:00:58 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: NYer
dating from between the sixth and seventh century A.D.

When Egypt was Monophysite.

5 posted on 05/01/2014 2:02:33 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: NYer

6 posted on 05/01/2014 2:03:07 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Land of the Free and the home of the Brave!)
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To: NYer
But the painting is from much later, dating from between the sixth and seventh century A.D.

Unless the painter was somebody who actually saw Christ, or had somebody who did guiding his painting, he's no more likely to paint an accurate image then I am.

7 posted on 05/01/2014 2:06:35 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: NYer

Very difficult to make out.


8 posted on 05/01/2014 2:09:46 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: All
behold the monkey
9 posted on 05/01/2014 2:10:02 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: NYer

Must be true


10 posted on 05/01/2014 2:13:10 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: PapaBear3625
Unless the painter was somebody who actually saw Christ, or had somebody who did guiding his painting, he's no more likely to paint an accurate image then I am.

No one is claiming this is an accurate portrait. It is just historically and archaeologically significant to find an image of Jesus from such an early period.

11 posted on 05/01/2014 2:14:36 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: NYer

Doesn’t matter what he looked like.


12 posted on 05/01/2014 2:15:43 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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To: Dallas59

I’m gonna see Him some where/when so I can wait for the real McCoy.


13 posted on 05/01/2014 2:18:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Dallas59

Michelle Obama? Odumbo?


14 posted on 05/01/2014 2:27:11 PM PDT by SgtHooper (This is my tag!)
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To: PapaBear3625

Agree.


15 posted on 05/01/2014 2:30:30 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: NYer

.... In my
expert opinion .... I usd a copy of the Picture in the article and did a very exhaustive search ..... Procured an 8
Million dollar federal Grant to study and research the subject and after evaluating the data have arrived at the profound conclusion that this Is definitely an image.


16 posted on 05/01/2014 2:31:32 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: Dallas59

“He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.”


17 posted on 05/01/2014 2:33:33 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: NYer

Actual footage!


18 posted on 05/01/2014 2:37:50 PM PDT by MNnice
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To: NYer

probably St. Mark


19 posted on 05/01/2014 3:03:28 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Lurking Libertarian

How can you even think it’s Jesus?? Ridiculous.


20 posted on 05/01/2014 3:28:11 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: NYer

Scientists uncover what may be an early untalented artist’s depiction of Christ.


21 posted on 05/01/2014 3:33:40 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Sacajaweau
How can you even think it’s Jesus?? Ridiculous.

I'm not sure what you mean. Do I think Jesus looked like that? No, and I'm sure he didn't look the way Michelangelo or Rembrandt depicted him either.

22 posted on 05/01/2014 3:34:21 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Beowulf9
Scientists uncover what may be an early untalented artist’s depiction of Christ.

But since they found it in a temple of Osiris, maybe it's a picture of, Osiris...

23 posted on 05/01/2014 6:22:47 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: NYer

**“We could be dealing with a very early image of Jesus Christ,” Padró added.**

Or not.


24 posted on 05/01/2014 6:25:44 PM PDT by Gamecock (The covenant is a stunning blend of law and love. (TK))
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To: SunkenCiv
ping

"Painted on the walls of a mysterious underground stone structure in the ancient Egyptian city of Oxyrhynchus, about 100 miles south of Cairo, the image shows a young man with curly hair and dressed in a short tunic."

25 posted on 05/01/2014 7:08:56 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: Alex Murphy
I know I should be appalled but that story makes me laugh:


26 posted on 05/01/2014 8:08:36 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: NYer
At first glance anyway, the painting used in the "Heaven Is For Real" movie doesn't seem to match this Coptic image very closely...


27 posted on 05/01/2014 8:22:53 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: Dallas59

“..doesn’t matter what he looked like...

It matters when the secular humanists and certain sects get it wrong and start depicting Jesus in an ethnic group other than semite. The semites are descended from Shem, one of the sons of Noah in Genesis. Jesus was an actual historical Jewish person in his human nature, and when people start to get this wrong they start to come up with errors abotu His Divine Nature as well, and heresies about Jesus’ true nature begin. Jehovah Witnesses claim that Jesus did not rise bodily but spiritually.

Jesus rose from the dead in the same physical body he was incarnated with here on earth.

Luke 24:42-43 And when he had eaten before them, taking the remains, he gave to them.

It becomes easier to get Jesus’ true nature wrong when we lose sight of his actual historical incarnated appearance.

The Shroud of Turn is quite definitive on how Jesus actually looked, and the very earliest icons look like the shroud.

Read “the Shroud of Turn” and “The Blood and the Shroud” by Ian Wilson for further proof.


28 posted on 05/02/2014 4:27:39 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: stonehouse01

sorry about typoes

Shroud of Turin


29 posted on 05/02/2014 4:29:11 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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To: Jeff Chandler

The image on the left looks like Peter Ustinov. On the right... a print of Rosie O’Donnell with artsy camera pastel smudge...$5 dollars at a garage sale!


30 posted on 05/02/2014 4:36:55 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Lurking Libertarian; Dajjal; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; ...
Thanks for the pings!
KEYWORDS: oxyrhynchus; oxyrhynchuspapyri

31 posted on 05/02/2014 8:36:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NYer; SunkenCiv

Since Christianity became the official religion of Rome in the 4th century AD and had to be growing in influence and acceptance before that, I find it difficult to believe that no one attempted some kind of icon or painted image before 600 AD.

So why would this be a remarkable discovery even if the image is of Jesus? Am I missing something—or it this just another archeologist publicly hyping his ‘find’ in the hope of recognition??


32 posted on 05/02/2014 9:19:54 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill
I find it difficult to believe that no one attempted some kind of icon or painted image before 600 AD.

I'm sure there were icons or painted images from that time but we no longer have any of them. Significant from a art history or religious history standpoint rather than from a theological one.

33 posted on 05/02/2014 10:12:51 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: wildbill

Two things, one, this is merely a very early *known* one, and two, given that the Mohammenazis took over in the 7th century makes it somewhat unsurprising that few artistic representations of anyone or anything survived. Islam prohibits the human image (technically speaking, that includes photography; oddly enough, the muzzies love family photography, all the women covered except for their eyes).

In one of the towns covered by Vesuvius in 79 AD (I think probably Herculaneum, because if memory serves, this find was on the second floor, and the survival of the second storey is more usually found there than in Pompeii) in a windowless room a pattern of old nail holes on a wall is evidence that a cross had been mounted there, in a private place of Christian worship in a private home. It’s not known, obviously, if the cross was removed as the family fled, or had been removed when the previous owner moved out.


34 posted on 05/02/2014 10:46:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Same here. The “restored” one on the right looks like that fake bigfoot in a block of ice that traveled around in the 1960s.


35 posted on 05/02/2014 10:48:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NYer

Or maybe Harpo


36 posted on 05/02/2014 10:50:44 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: NYer
I don't see Christ.

One arm extended stiffly, other arm pulled in making a jazz hand, big epaulettes on the jacket, big necklace, wearing a fedora, big eyes showing excitement (WOO!), and dark hole showing nose missing....

Im pretty sure that that's Michl-Osiris Jacks-Ho-Tep.

37 posted on 05/02/2014 12:45:36 PM PDT by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: wildbill; Straight Vermonter; SunkenCiv
So why would this be a remarkable discovery even if the image is of Jesus?

It was discovered in an Egyptian tomb.

38 posted on 05/02/2014 3:14:01 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Lots of Christians in Egypt in those days and the Coptic sect is still around in Egypt


39 posted on 05/02/2014 7:02:15 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill

some better info about the Herculaneum cross than my memory could provide:

http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/books/herculan.pdf

image search:

https://www.google.com/search?q=cross+on+wall+herculaneum&tbm=isch


40 posted on 05/03/2014 7:49:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: stonehouse01

Thank you for that thoughtful response.


41 posted on 05/08/2014 6:03:05 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Mohammenazis

***
Good one. May I use that? I will not capitalize it, though, as I don’t think they deserve it.


42 posted on 05/08/2014 6:05:25 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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