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Church Puts up Stained Glass Window of Judas' Suicide
Creative Minority Report ^ | May 5, 2014 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on 05/06/2014 10:10:31 AM PDT by NYer

There are bad ideas, really bad ideas, and then there's this...



Yup. It's a picture of Judas hanging himself and the coins dropping out of his hand are turning into flowers. Why? I'm not really sure.

The Church Times reports that the window had been turned down in years past because "church authorities at the time deemed the subject of suicide unfitting."

No!!!!?
Two years ago, the Rector, the Revd Jacqueline Birdseye, and her parishioners re-examined the issue. She said on Tuesday: "It seemed that everybody wanted it to go ahead; we had a PCC meeting, and the vote was unanimous. We spent a long time just making sure that we got the procedure right.

"Back then, many people regarded suicide as an unforgivable sin; but people's attitudes have changed. I have known several families who have been touched by suicide, and we felt that it was the right thing to have in church. Churches are not just about angels and Easter happiness."
Yes, let's put Jesus' crucifixion and Judas' suicide on the same plane. That sounds like a brilliant idea. Never mind that Jesus said it would've been better if he had not been born.



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Judas window allowed into church -Original Article

1 posted on 05/06/2014 10:10:31 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

FYI ping!


2 posted on 05/06/2014 10:11:02 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

So he was wearing jeans & tennis shoes when he dropped from the tree?


3 posted on 05/06/2014 10:12:10 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: NYer

Human beings are fallible. The Church is made up of human beings. Ergo the Church is fallible...except when the Pope makes a pronouncement on faith and morals.


4 posted on 05/06/2014 10:13:23 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
So he was wearing jeans & tennis shoes when he dropped from the tree?

Contemporary 'artistic license' interpretation of robe and sandals?


5 posted on 05/06/2014 10:15:59 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: Don Corleone

It’s not a REAL church, because the pasture is female.


6 posted on 05/06/2014 10:16:25 AM PDT by BarbM (Portuguese Dog--Kenyan president)
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To: NYer

Some things you just can’t make up.


7 posted on 05/06/2014 10:16:25 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Could be Michael Hutchence or David Carradine.


8 posted on 05/06/2014 10:20:21 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: NYer

I agree it’s distasteful, but I don’t really have a problem with it.

Rejection of Christ results in death (and worse).

You go to the Vatican, and there are some rather gruesome pictures of the fate of bad folk like Judas, Haman, etc.


9 posted on 05/06/2014 10:22:19 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: NYer

This is a Church of England parish in Dorset AKA the Synagogue of Satan.


10 posted on 05/06/2014 10:22:35 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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"Back then, many people regarded suicide as an unforgivable sin;

Back then? Unforgivable? No less an authority than a medieval Pope declared that jumping from a burning tower (clearly an act of suicide) wasn't a mortal sin.

11 posted on 05/06/2014 10:36:58 AM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: NYer
"Revd Jacqueline" is as far as I needed to go to find out why that church is so screwed up.
12 posted on 05/06/2014 10:46:34 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: NYer
Most interesting sermon I've heard in awhile was this past Easter, when our Priest took 5 minutes to explain how Jesus had forgiven all of his disciples; and that in all likelihood, had Judas been there as well, would have been forgiven too.

The message beyond forgiveness I got was that, in essence, suicide is not the answer. That you CAN be forgiven.

Gave me pause for thought.

13 posted on 05/06/2014 10:46:36 AM PDT by onona (I’ve pretty much given up on sanity returning.)
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To: BarbM
"It’s not a REAL church, because the pasture is female."

Fertile fields?

14 posted on 05/06/2014 11:06:46 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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Two years ago, the Rector, the Revd Jacqueline Birdseye, and her parishioners re-examined the issue. She said on Tuesday: "It seemed that everybody wanted it to go ahead; we had a PCC meeting, and the vote was unanimous. We spent a long time just making sure that we got the procedure right. "Back then, many people regarded suicide as an unforgivable sin; but people's attitudes have changed. I have known several families who have been touched by suicide, and we felt that it was the right thing to have in church. Churches are not just about angels and Easter happiness." It's a picture of Judas hanging himself and the coins dropping out of his hand are turning into flowers. Why? I'm not really sure.

PFL

15 posted on 05/06/2014 11:09:16 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: onona

“That you CAN be forgiven. “

Absolutely.
Satan tells the lie that we can’t be forgiven; but the cross took care of it for us if we accept it.


16 posted on 05/06/2014 11:10:47 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: NYer
"Back then, many people regarded suicide as an unforgivable sin; but people's attitudes have changed. I have known several families who have been touched by suicide, and we felt that it was the right thing to have in church. Churches are not just about angels and Easter happiness.

"We felt it was a comfort for people who thought that their loved ones were beyond redemption."

Ah. Nope. That would not work for me. My father committed suicide, and to see a man in the process of doing so would not be a comfort to me. Nor would the idea of Judas the betrayer as a representative of suicide.

Although it's an odd thing - we get used to a man on a cross. The image of a man hanged by his neck is somehow disturbing.

17 posted on 05/06/2014 11:12:20 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: null and void
No less an authority than a medieval Pope declared that jumping from a burning tower (clearly an act of suicide) wasn't a mortal sin.

... we can see why suicide has traditionally been considered a gravely wrong moral action, i.e. a mortal sin. Our Holy Father affirmed this position in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae (#66). (Please note that suicide is distinguished from the sacrifice of one's life for God or another, as in the cases of martyrdom, or of offering one's life or risking it to save another person.)

The Sin of Suicide

18 posted on 05/06/2014 11:35:29 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Weird, weirder, weirdest, slight pause, weirder, weirder, weirder...


19 posted on 05/06/2014 11:42:05 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Land of the Free and the home of the Brave!)
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To: muir_redwoods

I didn’t thing pastures had sex, either.


20 posted on 05/06/2014 11:46:16 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: NYer

Where there are worse ideas to be executed, the C of E will execute them. And how.


21 posted on 05/06/2014 12:38:36 PM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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To: NYer

And by the way, you know you can’t get to heaven on roller skates.


22 posted on 05/06/2014 12:39:15 PM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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To: Albion Wilde

The baby pasture wanted to watch TV. Dad told him, “It’s pasture bedtime, son.”


23 posted on 05/06/2014 12:47:09 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good)
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To: null and void

nully, mortal sin is based on your doing something gravely wrong, knowing it’s gravely wrong and choosing to do it anyway. You’re probably going to die if you jump off a burning tower, but at that point you may not have much if any choice in the matter of whether you’re going to die anyway. (See the World Trade Center, 9/11/01.)


24 posted on 05/06/2014 3:38:27 PM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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To: RichInOC

Yes. Despite my lack of faith, the medieval Pope’s stance gave me some slight comfort that dark day.


25 posted on 05/06/2014 3:42:12 PM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: gitmo
“It’s pasture bedtime, son.”

LOL!!

26 posted on 05/06/2014 6:22:22 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: null and void
No less an authority than a medieval Pope declared that jumping from a burning tower (clearly an act of suicide) wasn't a mortal sin.

There is such a thing as a "Noble" suicide. a scriptural example would be Samson, a modern one might be Thích Quảng Đức, or the soldier that throws himself on a hand grenade to save another.

27 posted on 05/06/2014 6:33:01 PM PDT by verga (When protestants post scripture I am reminded that even the devil can quote scripture.)
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