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The canonization of Vatican II continues: Paul VI beatification in October
WDTPRS ^ | 5/7/2014 | Fr John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 05/07/2014 2:34:45 AM PDT by markomalley

I read today at Vatican Insider that the Congregation of the Causes of Saints has approved unanimously (what else) a miracle through the intercession of Ven. Paul VI.

I suppose now the only thing left to do is beatify the Pope everyone forgets to remember and the set will be complete… at least until the pool grows by one more.

This morning, cardinals and bishops of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints gave their final approval for the late Pope’s healing of an unborn child

ANDREA TORNIELLI
VATICAN CITY
Giovanni Battista Montini’s beatification is near: this morning cardinals and bishops of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints unanimously approved the miracle attributed to the intercession of the Italian Pope from Brescia, who died in August 1978. The year which marked the canonization of two Popes – John XXIII and John Paul II – will also be the year of Paul VI’s beatification. In the next few days Pope Francis will be promulgating the decree on the miracle attributed to the late Pope and the date suggested for the actual beatification is 19 October. The beatification is expected to take place in Rome on the occasion of the concluding ceremony of the Extraordinary Synod of Bishops on the Family: [HEY!  This is the canonization of HUMANAE VITAE too!] it was Paul VI himself who established the Synod in September 1965 in response to a request made by the Council fathers. [And what a day's work that was.] It should be noted that next August will mark the 50th anniversary of the publication of Paul VI’s first big encyclical, the “Ecclesiam Suam”, which he wrote and edited entirely by himself.

The miracle attributed to the intercession of Paul VI was witnessed in the United States in 2001. It involved the healing of an unborn child, which was found to have serious problems and a high risk of brain damage: the foetus’ bladder was damaged and doctors reported ascites (presence of liquid in the abdomen) and anhydramnios (absence of fluid in the amniotic sac). All attempts to correct the problem proved futile and in the end the doctors said the child would either die in the womb or it would be born with severe renal impairment. Abortion was offered as an option but the mother refused. Instead, she took the advice given to her by a nun who was a friend of the family and had met Montini: she decided to pray for Paul VI’s intercession using a fragment of the Pope’s vestments which the nun had given her.

Ten weeks later the results of the medical tests showed a substantial improvement in the child’s health and it was born by Caesarean section in the 39th week of pregnancy. The case was presented to the former Postulator of the Cause, the Jesuit Paolo Molinari – who passed away last week – in Rome. Faith weekly Credere revealed that the diocesan inquiry was launched in 2003 and all witnesses agree that the case in question cannot be explained scientifically.

The child has made it to thirteen and his health is constantly monitored to ensure that his psychophysical state is normal. [Healing miracles have to be sudden, complete and lasting.] Doctors are especially keeping an eye on the child’s renal function. On 12 December last year the medical consultation of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints headed by Professor Patrizio Polisca, confirmed the impossibility of explaining the healing and the dicastery’s theologians gave their approval last 18 February. [Along with the doctors' and scientists' statement that the healing can't be explained, then theologians have to judge whether people were praying to Paul VI, and not, for example, to "Jesus, Mary, Joseph and all the saints and holy angels, and St. Rita and St. Jude, and Paul VI, and Fulton Sheen and Pauline Jaricot and....] Benedict XVI promulgated Paul VI’s heroic virtues on 20 December 2012.

In honor of Paul VI, Pope Francis should, at the beatification, bring back the sedia gestatoria, far humbler than the expensive Popemobile and far greener.

If it was good enough for St. John XXIII and Bl. Paul VI, it is good enough for any Pope!


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1 posted on 05/07/2014 2:34:45 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

The worst Pope in the last 500 years, at least.

The Church is making itself ridiculous.


2 posted on 05/07/2014 5:09:12 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

Look for more making blesseds to come for a few more popes.


3 posted on 05/07/2014 5:22:29 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Arthur McGowan

What next, canonize Mohammed?

Montini did more damage to the Catholic Church than any man since Martin Luther.


4 posted on 05/07/2014 5:47:22 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Worse than Leo X (1513-1521)? (Just barely within the last 500 years.)


5 posted on 05/07/2014 5:57:43 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: NTHockey

http://the-american-catholic.com/2011/12/04/pope-paul-vi-and-the-smoke-of-satan/

Pope Paul VI and the “Smoke of Satan”.


6 posted on 05/07/2014 7:10:00 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: markomalley

Canonizing every single Council participant would not reconcile the peculiar contradictions between pre- and post-Vatican II beliefs and practices. By current papal standards, St. Isaac Jogues was engaged in “solemn nonsense” and St. Thomas More’s refusal to compromise with Henry VIII was a rejection of “mercy”. Post-VII faux ecumenism is at the root of these strange new perceptions.


7 posted on 05/07/2014 8:28:30 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: markomalley
[HEY! This is the canonization of HUMANAE VITAE too!]

Father Z, I agree.

8 posted on 05/07/2014 8:36:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Arthur McGowan
[HEY! This is the canonization of HUMANAE VITAE too!]
9 posted on 05/07/2014 8:37:31 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Funny, Arthur, that you term Pope Paul VI the worst pope in 500 years, when he gave us Humanae Vitae, the most important Magisterial teaching since Trent, maybe since Nicaea --- and faced down the whole world, faced down every wayward human power, including wayward ecclesiastical powers, and all the citadels of demonic power-- in order to do it.

It's a paradox, isn't it?

Because if the world is still in existence 500 years from now --- and I mean an inhabited planet with human beings on it, who know they are human and not machines, animals, cyborgs or pure hellions --- they will have Paul VI to thank for it. Paul VI, Servus Servorum Dei.

10 posted on 05/07/2014 2:03:05 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." - Jesus Christ - Matthew 19:17)
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To: BlatherNaut; markomalley
" By current papal standards, St. Isaac Jogues was engaged in “solemn nonsense” and St. Thomas More’s refusal to compromise with Henry VIII was a rejection of “mercy”."

I know exactly the allusions you are making here, and I would argue nevertheless that your statement is unjust.

A Few Words from St. Thomas More (LINK)
11 posted on 05/07/2014 2:42:40 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." - Jesus Christ - Matthew 19:17)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Even counting HV, he’s still the worst Pope in centuries.

He should never have appointed the commission on contraception. During the time they were operating, millions of couples started using the Pill.

Destroyed the Roman Rite. Appointed WRETCHED bishops. Sent Jean Jadot to America, who recommended the absolute scum of the priesthood to be made bishops. Weakland, Clark, Hubbard, Bernardin, Roach, Malone, Hickey. On and on and on. All of them vicious enemies of the pro-life movement.

The only American bishop who unambiguously upheld HV was Patrick A. O’Boyle, Archbishop of Washington. Paul VI allowed the homosexual John Cardinal Wright to cut O’Boyle off at the knees. Wright’s homosexual secretary, Donald Wuerl, became a bishop, and has devoted himself for decades to coddling Dignity and defending pro-aborts’ right to receive Communion.

I don’t think Paul VI or any modern Pope is in hell! But I am opposed to canonizing Popes who were a disaster for the Church. The Papacy was their “state in life,” and official sainthood should be reserved for those who fulfilled the duties of their state in life, no matter how humble or exalted, not those who botched one thing after another.


12 posted on 05/07/2014 2:55:13 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Salvation

Wait a minute!!!

We’ve been told that canonization DOES NOT CONCERN a Pope’s PAPACY—just his personal holiness!


13 posted on 05/07/2014 2:56:40 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
Surely "Humanae Vitae" demonstrated in most dramatic fashion that the Holy Spirit would preserve the Church from the formal promulgation of error. In this matter it was Paul VI (and the Holy Spirit) contra mundum.

I agree that canonizations recently have been too many, too fast and too casually vetted. You should still need two rigorously well-attested post-mortem miracles, and 50 years after the fellow's in the grave --- in my opinion.

But if it were not for Humanae Vitae, there would scarcely be a faithful Catholic left anywhere in the Church.

IMVVHHO.

So I give my profound respect --- notwithstanding all your serious points --- to Pope Paul VI. To me, Humanae Vitae was the practical equivalent of raising the dead.

14 posted on 05/07/2014 3:22:58 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." - Jesus Christ - Matthew 19:17)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Arthur McGowan

And his promulgation of Vatican II more than cancels out any positive that came from HV.


15 posted on 05/07/2014 4:03:55 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv; Arthur McGowan
"And his promulgation of Vatican II more than cancels out any positive that came from HV [Humanae Vitae]."

Pio, I am amazed at your curt, smack-down confidence in your own sweeping negative judgments. Who told you this revelation that the sin/crime of having convened the Second Vatican Council "cancels" the positives of Humanae Vitae? Are you a clairvoyant --- or a prosecutor --- in the sifting of souls? You sound more like "the Accuser of our Brothers" than a son/daughter of the Church.

I would not dare to anathematize you or Arthur or anyonew else --- let alone Pope Paul VI--- in this manner. If I thought my failures --- and they are many --- "cancelled" the work of the Holy Spirit in me, I would despair. I would not dare --- I would be terrified --- to measure by such a measure.

16 posted on 05/07/2014 5:37:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Arthur McGowan; piusv; BlatherNaut; Salvation; Biggirl
Paul VI to be Canonized? The Triumph of Wayward Sentiment
17 posted on 05/07/2014 6:12:06 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Arthur McGowan; BlatherNaut; piusv; Salvation; Biggirl
Paul VI beatified?
18 posted on 05/07/2014 6:18:42 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Mrs. Don-o
To me, Humanae Vitae was the practical equivalent of raising the dead.

That statement is absolute hogwash. Will you say the same thing when Pope Francis finally comes to his senses and stops entertaining giving Holy Communion to adulterers?

19 posted on 05/07/2014 6:23:29 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Salvation

Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day.


20 posted on 05/07/2014 8:21:00 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

No need to be a clairvoyant. Just need to have one’s head out of the sand and look around at the fruits of Vatican II.

You keep cheering it on there girlfriend!


21 posted on 05/08/2014 2:52:53 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Pope Francis:

"I give a thought, too, to the dear Muslim immigrants that are beginning the fast of Ramadan, with best wishes for abundant spiritual fruits. The Church is near to you in the search for a more dignified life for yourselves and for your families. I say to you “O’ scia’!” [trans.: a friendly greeting in the local dialect]."

http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-on-lampedusa-the-globalization-of-indifferenc

Why is the Vicar of Christ associating Ramadan with "abundant spiritual fruits"? Why is he encouraging people in a mode of worship which denies the Divinity of Christ? This is not evangelization; it is ecumenism, and coming from the Vicar of Christ it is astounding. How is it possible to rationally equate such ecumenism with the example of St. Isaac Jogues?

As to the speculation that Pope Francis would reject St. Thomas More's defense of the King Henry VIII/ Queen Catherine marriage bond as a denial of 'mercy' --- again, this isn't even just sloppy casuistry, it's the most reckless kind of extrapolation. This argument does not demonstrate a diligent attention to accuracy and a fair evaluation of evidence.

Reckless extrapolation? Seriously?!!! Apparently you read my comment (intended to be a general analogy) in a literal sense.

The point I was attempting to make is that, based on public comments by the Pope regarding the Orthodox and remarriage and communion and his praise of Kasper's theology and talk of "mercy" in relation to the issue of divorce/remarriage/communion and the mixed messages that are emanating from him and from his inner circle, his standards are APPARENTLY more flexible than More's on the issue, with "mercy" as the basis. Perhaps I (and the many others who share the same interpretation) am wrong. Time will tell. However, at this point, there is certainly reason to wonder where things are heading.

I think you owe that much to the pope.

What the Pope owes to Christ and to His Church is "to pass on what he has received" in its entirety. He is spreading mixed messages and confusion, which is harmful to TRUE evangelization. I, and all Catholics, owe him our fervent prayers. Burying our heads in the sand is not a prerequisite.

22 posted on 05/08/2014 6:54:16 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: piusv

My overall judgment is that the lamentable sequelae of Vat II were not “fruits” of Vat. II, but rather perversions thereof.


23 posted on 05/08/2014 7:02:12 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." - St. John Chrysostom, Bishop)
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To: BlatherNaut
"I, and all Catholics, owe him our fervent prayers. Burying our heads in the sand is not a prerequisite."

Amen.

24 posted on 05/08/2014 7:04:10 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops." - St. John Chrysostom, Bishop)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

If it were just perversions then we would see changes being made by the heirarchy. Instead we have Francis talking about the “enormous fruits” of it.


25 posted on 05/08/2014 8:22:12 AM PDT by piusv
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To: BlatherNaut

Oh, it’s the new springtime of the Church BlatherNaut. We don’t need no stinkin pre-Vatican II church ways.

/s


26 posted on 05/08/2014 8:25:08 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

:)


27 posted on 05/08/2014 9:22:18 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Mrs. Don-o; piusv
My overall judgment is that the lamentable sequelae of Vat II were not “fruits” of Vat. II, but rather perversions thereof.

So putting the "perversions" aside, can you name a few tangible fruits of VC II?

28 posted on 05/09/2014 5:12:56 PM PDT by ebb tide
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