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Could An SSPX Reconciliation Be In the Works?
Creative Minority Report ^ | May 10, 2014 | Patrick Archbold

Posted on 05/10/2014 2:15:04 PM PDT by NYer

Earlier today I got a mail from a reader that informed my that Bishop Williamson, formerly of the SSPX, warned of an impending reconciliation between the SSPX and Rome.

The news is that the modernists in Rome are offering to the Society a « recognition by tolerance » without the need for any formal agreement or signed document such as raised within the SSPX so much opposition to a deal with Rome in the spring and early summer of 2012. Here is the essence of how the Society's Second Assistant, Fr. Alain Nély, expressed it, with enthusiasm, to two members of religious Orders three months ago : « The solution for the SSPX will be its unilateral recognition by Rome...we will not be asked to sign see how things evolve...we shall see. »

Now I didn't immediately put much (any) credence in the report since it comes from Bp. Williamson of the Diocese of Bonkers.

But then just a little while later comes this startling piece of information from Rorate Caeli.

Rorate has learned and can exclusively confirm that Bishop Bernard Fellay, the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X (Fraternité Sacerdotale Saint Pie X - FSSPX / SSPX), was received by Pope Francis in the Domus Sanctae Marthae sometime in the past few months. In order to protect our sources, we cannot detail the date and persons involved in the meeting, but only generally locate it in time - if the current pontificate so far can be divided into two halves, the meeting took place in the second half.
Rorate goes on to say that Fellay was summoned to Rome and he went. Further, their sources tell them "The Pope has a true interest in resolving this situation."

Again, very interesting.

I have no illusions that is in any way likely at this point, but if this happens, I am totes taking credit for it.  Remember this little thin I wrote in February?

Pope Francis and the SSPX: An Opportunity
So here is what I am asking. I ask the Pope to apply that wide generosity to the SSPX and to normalize relations and their standing within the Church. I am asking the Pope to do this even without the total agreement on the Second Vatican Council. Whatever their disagreements, surely this can be worked out over time with the SSPX firmly implanted in the Church. I think that the Church needs to be more generous toward unity than to insist upon dogmatic adherence to the interpretation of a non-dogmatic council. The issues are real, but they must be worked out with our brothers at home and not with a locked door.
Further, Pope Francis’ commitment to the aims of the Second Vatican Council is unquestioned. Were he to be generous in such a way, nobody would ever interpret it to be a rejection of the Council. How could it be? This perception may not have been the case in the last pontificate. Pope Francis is uniquely suited to this magnanimous moment.

TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Worship
KEYWORDS: fellay; sspx

1 posted on 05/10/2014 2:15:04 PM PDT by NYer
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“Git ‘er done”, ping!

2 posted on 05/10/2014 2:15:31 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer


3 posted on 05/10/2014 2:20:54 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: NYer

An “only Nixon can go to China moment?”

4 posted on 05/10/2014 2:23:03 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I'm a Contra" -- President Ronald Reagan)
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To: NYer
the Church needs to be more generous toward unity than to insist upon dogmatic adherence to the interpretation of a non-dogmatic council.

Very true. It is ridiculous how the Church makes it look as if the Orthodox can re-unify any time they want to, but SSPX must sign away their firstborn to reunify.

5 posted on 05/10/2014 2:28:25 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: NYer

Well, I won’t believe that a reconciliation is happening until it happens, but it WOULD do a lot to negate the perception (held by many across the Catholic spectrum) that the Holy Father has little or no patience for traditionalists.

6 posted on 05/10/2014 3:01:48 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: Dr. Sivana

Good analogy!

Pope Francis probably could do it simply because he’s perceived as anti-traditionalist, whereas BXVI couldn’t do it because he was perceived as traditionalist friendly, thereby enraging the liberals and at the same time giving the traditionalists the impression that they could have their way and make demands on him.

Simply doing it unilaterally and without anything formal might be the best way of handling it. I have often thought that Fellay was very good and very devout and obedient, but was probably between a rock and a hard place. Just taking the pressure off might do it. And probably only Pope Francis could pull this off.

7 posted on 05/10/2014 3:44:29 PM PDT by livius
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8 posted on 05/10/2014 6:59:00 PM PDT by sneakers
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To: NYer

As it is this evidences the diversity among Catholics. And even within the SSPX. Concerning which one priest has the gift of poetry in describing the conflict:

The following dialogue is purportedly written by Bishop Williamson. I have no idea if that is true. But whatever of that, it is an informative exposition of the debate within the SSPX.

SL = SSPX soft-liner. HL = SSPX hard-liner.

SL Outside the Church is not where we should be!
HL Who left the Church? Vatican II! Not we!

SL Once in the Church, we could do so much more!
HL If we detested error, as before.

SL Why should we stop detesting error, pray?
HL Because we would be joining in their fray.

SL We need to live within the Church’s law.
HL Not if it is not serving God any more.

SL The Catholic Church is visible. We’re not there.
HL The Church is holy. Do we see that? Where?

SL But things have changed since the Archbishop’s day.
HL The modernists still hold exclusive sway.

SL What Rome now offers, he would have approved.
HL Never, once Benedict to Assisi moved!

SL The SSPX stands strong, need fear no fall.
HL Let all who stand fear falling, says St. Paul.

SL But our Superiors have grace of state.
HL Did leading churchmen never prevaricate?

SL Our leaders to the SSPX belong!
HL And does that mean they never can do wrong?

SL But, Pre-condition One, Rome freed the Mass.
HL And left in place the “bastard rite”, so crass.

SL Rome also lifted the ban on bishops four.
HL But did that make them more free than before?

SL Yet Benedict is calling for our aid.
HL To make Truth prosper, or to help it fade?

SL Of harming Truth, how can the Pope be accused?
HL His modernist mind is hopelessly confused.

SL Yet truly, Benedict wants us all back in.
HL As a modernist, yes, but modernism is a sin.

SL Then do you still believe that he is Pope?
HL Yes, but we must for his conversion hope.

SL What can you mean by, “As a modernist, yes”?
HL Our true Faith he can only harm, not bless.

SL Our welfare is his genuine concern.
HL Not our true welfare, if our true Faith he spurn.

SL A lack of supernatural spirit you show!
HL If woe I say there is, where there is woe?

SL Not everything in the Church is gloomy, dark!
HL Where do you see of true revival a spark?

SL A movement towards Tradition is under way!
HL While fully in control the modernists stay?

SL Then is the official Church still God’s own Church?
HL Yes, it’s the churchmen left us in the lurch.

SL But surely Pope and Rome have both meant well.
HL So? – “Good intentions pave the way to Hell.”

SL But evils worse that Vatican Two can be.
HL The Archbishop – remember? – called it World War III.

SL You’re harsh. Your attitude to schism will lead.
HL Better than undermine the entire creed!

SL Not all the Church authorities are bad.
HL The good ones have no power. It’s very sad.

SL Priests should not say, authority is untrue.
HL But bishops were the cause of Vatican II!

SL Still, Catholic instincts seek their Catholic home.
HL Today, for Catholics, that’s no longer Rome.

SL Then where is the Church? Just in Tradition? Where?
HL “One, holy, catholic, apostolic” – there.

SL You want to solve this problem overnight!
HL No, just that a start be made to set it right.

SL We trust in God. We trust in his Sacred Heart.
HL Bravo! But humans too must play their part.

SL That part is not for us just to complain.
HL Tradcats work hard, Tradition to maintain.

SL If we went in with Rome, we could turn back.
HL No. More and more we’d follow in Rome’s track.

SL Why stop the Romans making restitution?
HL Because they’re set upon our destitution.

SL Back in the mainstream Church we’d set to work!
HL Rather we’d lose our way in all their murk.

SL But we are strong, with bishops one and three.
HL Alas, the three with the one do not agree.

SL We’re firm in the Faith. Modernists are no threat!
HL We’d easily slide. You want to take a bet?

SL Strong in the Faith, we can afford to agree!
HL But that Faith says, from heretics to flee.

SL But Gott mit uns! We are the SSPX!
HL Not if we choose to ignore all prudent checks.

SL Were we approved, Romans would learn from us!
HL O Heavens, no! They’d throw us under the bus.

SL Were we approved, the earth of Rome could quake.
HL But not before to pieces we would shake.

SL Our leader has graces of state. We must obey.
HL Was Paul the Sixth given graces to betray?

SL Rome is now weak, meaning, we could stay strong.
HL For right, Rome’s feeble. Mighty it is for wrong.

SL So what’s the answer, if you’re always right?
How can the Church be rescued from its plight?

HL The Church belongs to God. In his good time
We’ll see his answer, stunning and sublime.

Till then we grieve, and thirst for right, and trust.
That which we cannot cure, endure we must.

From error and the erring stay away,
Even while for their immortal souls we pray.

And tell God’s truth, however few will hear –
As close as the nearest door, his help is near.

Posted by Fr John on May 11, 2012 in Culture, Current affairs, Liturgy | 23 comments

9 posted on 05/11/2014 11:45:22 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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10 posted on 05/11/2014 12:43:26 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: mountainlion


The Society of Pope Saint Pius X, who prevented the modernists from eradicating the Tridentine Mass completely from the face of the Earth, which was and remains one of their principal goals.

They have done much good in opposing the excesses of the modernists following VatII. For this, they have been calumniated, and many lies have been told about them.

The modernists have taken a couple of them down, with the complicity of the lamestream media.

11 posted on 05/11/2014 2:05:41 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: livius
Simply doing it unilaterally and without anything formal might be the best way of handling it.

Because Vatican II is not worth a schism, and also it has the benefit of letting the "softline" and the "hardline" in the SSPX to sort themselves out without outside coercion.

12 posted on 05/12/2014 4:47:33 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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