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To: mindburglar

“How am I making it up out of thin air?”

Simple: He’s never advocated communism.

“I provided a link and others have said, if he’s being misinterpreted it’s up to him to clarify what he means.”

If you’re misrepresenting him - and you are - it’s up to you to stop doing it. Take some responsibility for your actions. You made a claim. Show me where he ever once advocated communism. And explain this away: http://www.newsy.com/videos/pope-francis-the-marxist-ideology-is-wrong/

“Why is he lobbying the UN for wealth redistribution?”

I don’t think he’s lobbying anyone. I think he is saying those who have can help those who don’t and that governments can organize this through taxation. I don’t think that’s a good idea. To me it smacks of forced “charity” but he is entitled to his view. What I don’t do is make things up that are untrue. I’m leaving that to you.

“Call it whatever you want, but it’s not the Popes business to ask governments to redistribute wealth.”

Sure it is - if that’s what he believes will help the poor. You can disagree with his ideas, but to say he has no business doing it is at the very least hypocritical since anyone could just as easily point out it isn’t your business what the pope does. See how that works?

“When government does it it’s theft, not charity.”

I agree it isn’t charity, although I can’t call all taxation outright theft since we agree to it in some fashion.

“I don’t trust Jesuits.”

I don’t trust people who make things up. Which distrust is based more on reality here?

“They have their own agenda and it doesn’t include me.”

And yet you’re posting about something that you say doesn’t include you?


29 posted on 05/11/2014 6:52:32 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Ok. Wealth redistribution is not technically communism, it’s also not slavery, but it is the same concept and it is morally wrong.

Fine let the Pope do what he thinks is best, although I disagree and think he doesn’t understand basic economics well enough to speak about them competently. He also provides a lot of undue stress on Catholics who don’t agree with his “socialistic’ viewpoints.

Jesuits are the same order who covered the cross at Georgetown University when Obama spoke. Some defenders of the faith. As a Catholic, they don’t like conservatives, so I may not fit their plans, but the Jesuits don’t represent most Catholics.

I had high hopes for this outsider Pope and they are diminishing day by day. There’s only so much you can attribute to spin.


31 posted on 05/11/2014 7:14:28 AM PDT by mindburglar (When Superman and Batman fight, the only winner is crime.)
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To: vladimir998

It’s not about you. Whether you trust me or not is irrelevant. I don’t speak for a billion Catholics.

I also didn’t make it up. Euphemisms may make things sound less onerous than they are, but nevertheless they remain what they are.


34 posted on 05/11/2014 7:27:26 AM PDT by mindburglar (When Superman and Batman fight, the only winner is crime.)
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To: vladimir998

I’m a little puzzled, because he never says “wealth redistribution” and yet the press and 95% of the Freeper universe is claiming that he was out there urging the seizure of property...

He urges personal charity and tells government institutions that they must make sure that wealth benefits everybody. Governments already collect taxes on individuals and businesses and other forms of income and even wealth, so it’s not as if nobody was paying taxes until the Pope came along. But in some countries, even where the wealthy pay a huge percentage in taxes...the poor still don’t have running water in their villages, there’s about one watt of electricity available, and the police services are so corrupt that crime is out of control so people don’t even have basic stability.

I think he’s a little too trusting that the state will be honorable - which is a puzzling attitude for an Argentinian! - but I certainly don’t think he’s advocating for Marxism.


36 posted on 05/11/2014 7:28:26 AM PDT by livius
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