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How Pius XII helped Jews before the Nazi regime occupied Rome
Rome Reports ^ | May 10, 2014

Posted on 05/11/2014 4:27:19 AM PDT by NYer

October 16, 1943, is engrained in Italy's history as a day of clear and direct anti-semitism. It's the day when Nazi soldiers evacuated Jews from the Roman Ghetto.


Now, new details show Pius XII helped Jews in Rome, before the events of the so-called "Black Saturday.” Even before the arrival of the Nazis to the Eternal City.

DOMINIEK OVERSTEYNS 
L'Opera della Chiesa
"By July 9th, a monastery was already taking in Jews, and on July 20, a letter from the Diocese arrived. It read: 'This is Papal territory, please do not enter.' And this happened seven weeks before the German occupation of Rome.”

In all, 43 monasteries opened their doors to Rome's Jewish population, before the occupation.

These details were discussed during a conference on Pius XII at Rome's Pontifical Lateran University.
Help continued even after the German Army occupied Rome.

DOMINIEK OVERSTEYNS 
L'Opera della Chiesa
"After Italy's occupation, Rome's Jewish population increased. On June 4, 1944, there were about 9,930, out of which 6,300 received help. That's almost two thirds.”

In a three part investigation, Belgian researcher Dominiek Oversteyns looked into all the details of that dark chapter. From the name of each Jewish person, to where they hid, and for how long.

This specific information was introduced publicly for the first time, and it could change the perception of the role Pope Pius XII played during World War II. 




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Krupp on Pius XII: The “black legend” is over

Krupp, the founder of the Pave The Way Foundation, a non-profit organization dedicated to bridging the gap between world religions, is well known for being one of the most passionate defenders of Pius XII's reputation for heroism in his relations with the Jewish people.

As a Jew from New York who grew up, like many others of his generation, with an indoctrinated hatred of the wartime Pope for his alleged anti-Semitism and unwillingness to help Jews during the Holocaust, his anger at realizing this was all a lie, and his willingness to reveal the truth, is both heartfelt and compelling.

Now he and his team of researchers have uncovered more documented evidence that Pave the Way believes should act as incontrovertible proof to any serious historian that Pius XII did all he could to protect and defend Jews before, during and after the Second World War. All the documentation can be viewed on the organization's Web site: Pave The Way.


1 posted on 05/11/2014 4:27:19 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

The truth is finally being revealed, ping!


2 posted on 05/11/2014 4:27:58 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/pius.html#cries

Cries for Help

Throughout the Holocaust, Pius XII was consistently besieged with pleas for help on behalf of the Jews.

In the spring of 1940, the Chief Rabbi of Palestine, Isaac Herzog, asked the papal Secretary of State, Cardinal Luigi Maglione to intercede to keep Jews in Spain from being deported to Germany. He later made a similar request for Jews in Lithuania. The papacy did nothing.(5)

Within the Pope's own church, Cardinal Theodor Innitzer of Vienna told Pius XII about Jewish deportations in 1941. In 1942, the Slovakian charge d'affaires, a position under the supervision of the Pope, reported to Rome that Slovakian Jews were being systematically deported and sent to death camps.(6)

In October 1941, the Assistant Chief of the U.S. delegation to the Vatican, Harold Tittman, asked the Pope to condemn the atrocities. The response came that the Holy See wanted to remain "neutral," and that condemning the atrocities would have a negative influence on Catholics in German-held lands.(7)

In late August 1942, after more than 200,000 Ukrainian Jews had been killed, Ukrainian Metropolitan Andrej Septyckyj wrote a long letter to the Pope, referring to the German government as a regime of terror and corruption, more diabolical than that of the Bolsheviks. The Pope replied by quoting verses from Psalms and advising Septyckyj to "bear adversity with serene patience."(8)

On September 18, 1942, Monsignor Giovanni Battista Montini, the future Pope Paul VI, wrote, "The massacres of the Jews reach frightening proportions and forms."(9) Yet, that same month when Myron Taylor, U.S. representative to the Vatican, warned the Pope that his silence was endangering his moral prestige, the Secretary of State responded on the Pope's behalf that it was impossible to verify rumors about crimes committed against the Jews.(10)

Wladislaw Raczkiewicz, president of the Polish government-in-exile, appealed to the Pope in January 1943 to publicly denounce Nazi violence. Bishop Preysing of Berlin did the same, at least twice. Pius XII refused.(11)

Papal Reasons & Responses

The Pope finally gave a reason for his consistent refusals to make a public statement in December 1942. The Allied governments issued a declaration, "German Policy of Extermination of the Jewish Race," which stated that there would be retribution for the perpetrators of Jewish murders. When Tittman asked Secretary of State Maglione if the Pope could issue a similar proclamation, Maglione said the papacy was "unable to denounce publicly particular atrocities."(12) One reason for this position was that the staunchly anti-communist Pope felt he could not denounce the Nazis without including the Communists; therefore, Pius XII would only condemn general atrocities.(13)

The Pope did speak generally against the extermination campaign. On January 18, 1940, after the death toll of Polish civilians was estimated at 15,000, the Pope said in a broadcast, "The horror and inexcusable excesses committed on a helpless and a homeless people have been established by the unimpeachable testimony of eye-witnesses."(14) During his Christmas Eve radio broadcast in 1942, he referred to the "hundreds of thousands who through no fault of their own, and solely because of their nation or race, have been condemned to death or progressive extinction."(15) The Pope never mentioned the Jews by name.

In a September 1940 broadcast, the Vatican called its policy "neutrality," but stated in the same broadcast that where morality was involved, no neutrality was possible.(18) This could only imply that mass murder was not a moral issue.

The Pope's indifference to the mistreatment of Jews was often clear. In 1941, for example, after being asked by French Marshal Henri Philippe Petain if the Vatican would object to anti-Jewish laws, Pius XII answered that the church condemned racism, but did not repudiate every rule against the Jews.(16) When Petain's French puppet government introduced "Jewish statutes," the Vichy ambassador to the Holy See informed Petain that the Vatican did not consider the legislation in conflict with Catholic teachings, as long as they were carried out with "charity" and "justice."(17)

Robert Wistrich notes that “by the end of 1942, the Vatican was among the best-informed institutions in Europe concerning the Holocaust. Except for the Germans or perhaps British intelligence, few people were more aware of the local details as well as the larger picture.”(17a)

On September 8, 1943, the Nazis invaded Italy and, suddenly, the Vatican was the local authority. The Nazis gave the Jews 36 hours to come up with 50 kilograms of gold or else the Nazis would take 300 hostages. The Vatican was willing to loan 15 kilos, an offer that eventually proved unnecessary when the Jews obtained an extension for the delivery.(19)

Pius XII knew that Jewish deportations from Italy were impending. The Vatican even found out from SS First Lieutenant Kurt Gerstein the fate of those who were to be deported.(20) Publicly, the Pope stayed silent. Privately, Pius did instruct Catholic institutions to take in Jews. The Vatican itself hid 477 Jews and another 4,238 Jews were protected in Roman monasteries and convents.(21)

On October 16, the Nazis arrested 1,007 Roman Jews, the majority of whom were women and children. They were taken to Auschwitz, where 811 were gassed immediately. Of those sent to the concentration camp, 16 survived.(22)

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Any "evidence" held up today to defend the Pius XII is, even at best, a mixed bag. For every piece of "evidence" signaling any aid or assistance given to the Jews under the Holocaust, there are three pieces of evidence to negate any positive.

The Catholic church suffers to this day from "Replacement Theology" regarding the Jewish people.

http://truthfortoday.net/page195.php

The Jews are still God's people, and the world will witness them being, once again, the focus of His plan during the Tribulation.

3 posted on 05/11/2014 4:40:26 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
Do we really need to refute this tired communist-inspired lie again? Here, on FR, supposedly an anti-communist site?

(NB: Ion Pacepa, who was in the Romanian secret police during the cold war, says it's a KGB disinformation campaign. That's not my opinion; it's a fact.)

Your picture isn't one of the Pope. Why do you post it without a caption, implying that it is? I believe it's the Vatican nuncio in Berlin, who was required to greet Hitler at official functions. It was his job.

Pinchas Lapide, a rabbi who was also an Israeli consul in Italy at one point, credits the Pope with saving 860,000 Jewish lives during the war. Was he a liar?

Golda Meir eulogized Pius XII in the UN General Assembly, saying:

We share the grief of the world over the death of His Holiness Pius XII. During a generation of wars and dissensions, he affirmed the high ideals of peace and compassion. During the 10 years of Nazi terror, when our people went through the horrors of martyrdom, the Pope raised his voice to condemn the persecutors and to commiserate with their victims. The life of our time has been enriched by a voice which expressed the great moral truths above the tumults of daily conflicts. We grieve over the loss of a great defender of peace.
Was she a liar?

Jeno Levai, an eminent Jewish historian, wrote in 1968:

the one person (Pius XII) who did more than anyone else to halt the dreadful crime and alleviate its consequences, is today made the scapegoat for the failures of others.
Was he a liar?

The New York Times wrote of the Pope's Christmas message in 1942:

The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas... He is about the only ruler left on the Continent of Europe who dares to raise his voice at all.

A Gestapo report on the same speech:

In a manner never known before... the Pope has repudiated the National Socialist New European Order [Nazism]. It is true, the Pope does not refer to the National Socialists in Germany by name, but his speech is one long attack on everything we stand for. Here he is clearly speaking on behalf of the Jews.
Everyone, including the Nazis, knew whose side Pius XII was on. The 860,000 Jews whose lives he saved knew whose side he was on, as well.

Why do you post recycled communist propaganda defaming a man who should rightly be considered a hero?

4 posted on 05/11/2014 4:57:10 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion

bogus attempt to rewrite history, its hasn’t worked all this time and it won’t succeed now. the truth is otherwise.


5 posted on 05/11/2014 5:16:08 AM PDT by Zenjitsuman (New Boss Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Zenjitsuman

The Jews knew better.

THE GOOD SAMARITAN: JEWISH PRAISE FOR POPE PIUS XII
Dimitri Cavalli

Inside the Vatican has given considerable space in its pages to coverage of the fierce debate over the wartime role of Pope Pius XII and his alleged “silence” in the face of the Nazi persecution of the Jews (see particularly our June 1997 and our October 1999 issues). We will continue to do so as long as the debate rages. The article we print here brings together a considerable amount of previously scattered evidence for how Jews during Pius’s lifetime viewed Pius’s conduct. Reading Cavalli’s piece, it is striking to see how different the general Jewish opinion of Pius XII was in the years during and immediately following the war from what it is today. This prompts a fundamental question: Were the Jews who praised and thanked Pius after the war all mistaken or insincere, or are the attacks on Pius today unfair?—The Editor

During World War II, many Jews around the world had the chance to observe Pope Pius XII’s conduct. They listened to his every word, and scrutinized his every action. Instead of seeing “Hitler’s Pope,” most Jews concluded that Pius XII’s public statements were directed against the Nazis, and that he and his subordinates in many Nazi-occupied and Axis countries were trying to save Jewish lives. The many extraordinary and eloquent tributes that the Pope once received from Jews show that the allegations that he was a Nazi collaborator and indifferent toward the extermination of Jews would have seem completely unjustified and unjust to those who closely following his career.

Allegations that Pope Pius XII was pro-Nazi are often supported by his time in Germany from 1917 to 1929 as the papal nuncio and his direct role, as Secretary of State, in negotiating the Vatican’s concordat with Germany in 1933. These facts were universally known when Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli was elected Pope on March 2, 1939. How did Jews around the world react to his election? Were they concerned by his former ties to Germany?

In a March 6, 1939 editorial, “Leadership for Peace,” the Palestine Post in Jerusalem said: “Pius XII has clearly shown that he intends to carry on the late Pope’s [Pius XI] work for freedom and peace... we remember that he must have had a large part to play in the recent Papal opposition to pernicious race theories and certain aspects of totalitarianism...”

In praising Cardinal Pacelli’s election, the Jewish Chronicle in London on March 10, quoted an anti-Nazi speech he delivered in Lourdes in April 1935 and the hostile statements expressed about him in the Nazi press. “It is interesting to recall... on January 22 [1939], the Voelkischer Beobachter published pictures of Cardinal Pacelli and other Church dignitaries beneath a collective heading of ‘Agitators in the Vatican against Fascism and National Socialism,”’ the Jewish Chronicle noted.

Also on March 10, the Canadian Jewish Chronicle commended the College of Cardinals for resisting Nazi attempts to influence the election and prevent Cardinal Pacelli from becoming Pope. “The plot to pilfer the Ring of Fisherman has gone up in white smoke,” the editorial quipped.

Many Jewish organizations also expressed their enthusiasm for the new Pope. According to the Jewish Chronicle in London (March 10), the Vatican received congratulatory messages from “the Anglo-Jewish Community, the Synagogue Council of America, the Canadian Jewish Congress, and the Polish Rabbinical Council.”

Pius XII’s decision to appoint Luigi Cardinal Maglione as the Vatican’s new Secretary of State also brought favorable reactions. The March 16, 1939 Zionist Review in London said that the Cardinal’s appointment “confirms the view that the new Pope means to conduct an anti-Nazi and anti-Fascist policy.”

Certainly, such statements made by Jewish newspapers and organizations show they considered the newly elected Pope Pius XII a friend of democracy and peace, and an enemy of racism and totalitarianism. Cardinal Pacelli’s role in negotiating the concordat with the Nazis did not cause any concern. Instead, many Jews cited his anti-Nazi speeches, and his role as Vatican Secretary of State, which helped produce the 1937 anti-Nazi encyclical, Mit brennender Sorge, and numerous protests against the persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany.

Less than two months after World War II broke out, on October 27, Pius XII issued his first encyclical, Summi Pontificatus. On the same day, the New York-based Jewish Telegraphic Agency, the equivalent of the Associated Press, reported that, “the unqualified condemnation which Pope Pius XII heaped on totalitarian, racist and materialistic theories of government in his encyclical Summi Pontificatus caused a profound stir... Although it had been expected that the Pope would attack ideologies hostile to the Catholic Church, few observers had expected so outspoken a document...”

In a November 9, 1939 editorial, “Endowed with Reason,” the American Israelite in Cincinnati also discussed the encyclical. “In decrying totalitarianism, Pope Pius XII called the individual the end and the state the means of bringing out the fundamental equality of men because men are endowed with reason,” the editorial said. “This concept of democracy is reiterated in the Pope’s Encyclical, stressing again the inviolability of the human person as a sacred being...”

In January 1940, the United Jewish Appeal for Refugees and Overseas Needs donated $125,000 to the Vatican in order to assist its efforts on behalf of all victims of racial persecution. On January 19, the Jewish Ledger in Hartford, Connecticut described the United Jewish Appeal’s gift as an “eloquent gesture,” which “should prove an important step in the direction of cementing the bonds of sympathy and understanding” between Catholics and Jews. An account of how the money was spent is in the Vatican’s official wartime documents, Actes et documents du Saint Siege relatifs a la Seconde Guerre Mondiale, (Vol. VI, pp. 282-283.)

On January 26, 1940, the Jewish Advocate in Boston reported, “The Vatican radio this week broadcast an outspoken denunciation of German atrocities in Nazi [occupied] Poland, declaring they affronted the moral conscience of mankind.” Exiled Polish Cardinal August Hlond of Gnezo and Poznan had given the Vatican detailed reports about the Nazi persecution of the Church in Poland. On the Pope’s orders, Vatican Radio broadcast the cardinal’s reports. The front-page story quoted one Vatican Radio broadcast as saying, “Jews and Poles are being herded into separate ghettos, hermetically sealed and pitifully inadequate for the economic subsistence of the millions designed to live there.” This broadcast was also important because it gave independent confirmation of media reports about Nazi atrocities, which were previously dismissed as Allied propaganda.

Also, on January 26, the Canadian Jewish Chronicle published a brief item about Jacob Freedman, a Boston tailor. Mr. Freedman was concerned about the fate of his sister and nephews in German-occupied Poland. He wrote the State Department and the Red Cross, but they were unable to provide any information. Mr. Freedman then sought Pope Pius XII’s assistance.

Several months later, Cardinal Maglione informed Mr. Freedman that his family were alive and well in Warsaw. “I don’t know the words to express what I feel, that they should take an interest in us with all the other things in the world to worry them, “ said Mr. Freedman. “I think it’s the finest, most wonderful thing.” According to Pinchas Lapide’s 1967 book, Three Popes and the Jews, the Vatican Information Office helped tens of thousands of Jews locate missing relatives in Europe.

On March 14, 1940, the Jewish Chronicle in London commented on Pope Pius XII’s conditions for a “just and honorable peace,” which he articulated in his 1939 Christmas message. The Chronicle said that the Pope’s conditions, especially the protection of racial minorities, were a “welcome feature,” and praised him for standing up for “rights of the common man.”

Also, in March, Italy’s anti-Semitic laws went into effect, and many Jews were dismissed from the government, universities, and other professions. In response, Pius XII appointed several displaced Jewish scholars, including geographer Prof. Roberto Almagia, to posts in the Vatican Library. The March 29 Kansas City Jewish Chronicle said that the Pope’s actions showed “his disapproval of the dastardly anti-Semitic decrees.”

On April 29, 1941, a group of Jewish refugees interned at an Italian concentration camp thanked Pius XII after being visited by Bishop Francesco Borgognini-Duca, the papal nuncio in Italy. The prisoners wrote that the nuncio’s visit gave them “new courage to go on living,” and they described the Pope as a “revered personality who has stood up for the rights of all afflicted and powerless people.” (Actes, VIII, pp. 178-179).

On January 2, 1942, the front page of the California Jewish Voice published a report on the Pope’s 1941 Christmas address. “Religious persecution and oppression of minorities must have no place in the world of the future, declared Pope Pius XII in his annual Christmas Eve message,” the article said.

By early 1942, the Nazis began to implement their plans to exterminate the Jews. The Vatican had no practical way of bringing these plans to a halt, but sought to assist endangered Jews and other victims on a case-by-case basis. This assistance ranged from actively opposing the deportations to meeting the material and spiritual needs of refugees. For example, on April 14, 1942, Rabbi Naftali Adler and Dr. Max Pereles, the representatives of thousands of Jewish refugees interned at the Ferramonti concentration camp in southern Italy, sent a letter of thanks to the Pope, who sent “an abundant supply of clothing and linen” to the children at the camp, and took care of the prisoners’ other needs. “This noble and generous gift proves anew what the whole world knows and admires that Your Holiness is... also the paternal guardian and promoter of the ideal of humanity for all mankind,” they wrote. (Actes, VIII, pp. 505-507).

In 1942, Croatia’s Jews were being brutally persecuted by the Nazi-installed dictatorship. On August 4, Chief Rabbi Miroslav Freiberger of Zagreb, Croatia’s capital, sought more assistance from Pius XII. Already, the Vatican’s unofficial diplomatic representative in Croatia, Msgr. Joseph Marcone, who was acting on Cardinal Maglione’s instructions, and Archbishop Alois Stepinac opposed the anti-Jewish persecutions. In his letter, Chief Rabbi Freiberger appreciated “the limitless goodness that the representatives of the Holy See and the leaders of the Church showed to our poor brothers.” (Actes, VIII, p. 611). Throughout the war, the Chief Rabbi continued to express his gratitude to the Vatican for helping Croatian Jews.

The deportations of French Jews also began in late July 1942. Msgr. Valerio Valeri, the papal nuncio in France, protested the deportations with Marshall Henri Philippe Petain and Prime Minister Pierre Laval in August. The nuncio’s intervention became publicly known by the end of the month. On August 28, the California Jewish Voice said, “Pope Pius XII has asked the Papal Nuncio at Vichy to protest to the Laval Government against ‘the inhuman arrests and deportations’ of Jews in France... Previously, reports from Geneva had indicated that the Pope had tried, though vainly, to use his good offices in Slovakia to prevent deportations and other cruelties.”

The Voice’s account is confirmed by the Actes. On October 31, 1941, Cardinal Maglione had given Msgr. Valeri and Pierre Cardinal Gerlier of Lyon a blank check to “tone down” the practical application of the anti-Semitic laws, which would include any deportations. In April 1942, the Vatican protested the deportations of Slovak Jews with a note to the Slovak Government.

Although Msgr. Valeri actually made the protest, the Jewish press understood that he was acting on behalf of Pius XII. In a September II editorial, the Jewish Chronicle in London said, “The Pope’s action is also a striking affirmation of the dictum of one of the Pope’s predecessors that no true Christian can be an anti-Semite...”

In his 1942 Christmas message, the Pope condemned the treatment of “hundreds of thousands who, without any fault on their own, sometimes only by reason of their nationality or race, are marked down for death or a progressive extinction.” The Pope’s defenders argue that this was a clear reference to the Holocaust. The Pope’s detractors insist that he didn’t go far enough, and should have condemned the Nazis by name. But the Nazis understood the Pope very clearly. “In a manner never known before the Pope has repudiated the National Socialist New European Order,” complained a January 22, 1943 report by the Reich Central Security Office. “Here he is virtually accusing the German people of injustice towards the Jews, and makes himself the mouthpiece of the Jewish war criminals.” (Anthony Rhodes, The Vatican in the Age of Dictators (1973), pp. 272-273). I was unable to find any references to the Pope’s address in the many Jewish newspapers that I examined. However, in a January 20, 1943 letter to Msgr. Arthur Hughes, the apostolic delegate in Egypt, Chaim Barlas, the Jewish Agency’s Turkish Representative, wrote, “The highly humanitarian attitude of His Saintety [meaning, Holiness] expressing His indignation against racial persecutions, was a source of comfort for our brethren.” (Actes, IX, p. 90). If Pius XII was “silent” in the literal sense of the word, then the Reich Central Security Office and Chaim Barlas could not have made these conclusions.

In late 1942, Chief Rabbi Isaac Herzog of Jerusalem sought the Pope’s intervention to rescue Jews from the Nazis. On February 12, 1943, the Vatican’s reply to Chief Rabbi Herzog was noted on the front page of the California Jewish Voice. “The Vatican this week cabled Chief Rabbi Herzog, assuring him that it is doing everything possible for all the victims of Nazi persecution, including the Jews,” the article said. The Jewish Chronicle in London and the Australian Jewish News also reported the Vatican’s assurance to the Chief Rabbi.

On April 16, 1943, the Australian Jewish News published a brief article about Cardinal Gerlier, who had strongly opposed the deportations of French Jews, and was sheltering Jewish children. The article quoted the cardinal as saying that he was obeying Pius XII’s instructions by continuing to oppose France’s anti-Semitic measures.

In his June 2 address to the College of Cardinals, Pope Pius XII spoke up again. He referred to persons “tormented as they are, because of their nationality or their race... delivered, without any fault on their part, to measures of extermination.” The July 16, 1943 Jewish Chronicle in London published a slightly different version of these words on its front page under the title, “The Pope’s Solicitude.”

On September 24, Alex Easterman, the British representative of the World Jewish Congress, contacted Msgr. William Godfrey, the apostolic delegate in London. Easterman informed him that about 4,000 Jewish refugees from Croatia were safely evacuated to an island in the Adriatic Sea. “I feel sure that efforts of your Grace and of the Holy See have brought about this fortunate result,” Easterman wrote. (Actes, IX, pp. 488-489).

After Benito Mussolini’s fall from power, the new Italian government surrendered to the Allies in September 1943. German troops occupied Italy, including Rome, in order to stop the Allied offensive. During the occupation of Rome, the Nazis threatened to arrest Roman Jews unless their leaders paid them 50 kilograms of gold. When the Roman Jews were able to raise only 42 kilograms of gold, they turned to the Pope, who agreed to provide the balance. Meanwhile, the Jews raised the balance from ordinary Catholics and informed the Vatican that the Pope’s contribution was not needed. On October 28, 1943, however, the Palestine Post in Jerusalem noted Pius XII’s offer on the front page under the headline, “The Pope’s Gift to the Jews.”

On October 16, the Nazis also seized about 1,000 Jews and deported them to Auschwitz. On October 29 Jewish Chronicle in London reported the Vatican’s response to the arrests: “The Vatican has made strong representations to the German Government and the German High Command in Italy against the persecution of Jews in Nazi-occupied Italy...”

This account of the Vatican’s actions was exactly correct. On Pius XII’s orders, Cardinal Maglione made an immediate protest with Germany’s Ambassador. Bishop Alois Hudal, the Rector of the German Catholic Church in Rome, protested the arrests of Jews with the German Military Governor of Rome. Along with the Vatican’s protests, 4,700 Jews disappeared into Rome’s convents, monasteries and the Vatican itself. The remaining 2,300 Jews were able to find shelter elsewhere because Vatican protests brought the round-ups to an end.

By 1943, the Vatican’s many rescue efforts on behalf of Jews were being universally acknowledged. In the fall of 1943, the Jewish communities of Chile, Uruguay, and Bolivia sent letters to Pope Pius XII, and thanked him for assisting Jews (Actes, IX, pp. 498, 501-502, and 567).

The 1943-1944 American Jewish Yearbook said that Pius XII “took an unequivocal stand against the oppression of Jews throughout Europe.” In his February 18, 1944 letter to Msgr. Amleto Cicognani, the apostolic delegate in Washington, D.C., Rabbi Maurice Perlzweig, the political director of the World Jewish Congress, wrote that “the repeated interventions of the Holy Father on behalf of Jewish Communities in Europe has evoked the profoundest sentiments of appreciation and gratitude from Jews throughout the world.” (Actes, X, p. 140).

Two important Jewish leaders who worked with the Vatican to save Jews also expressed similar sentiments. “The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion which form the very foundations of true civilization, are doing for our unfortunate brothers and sisters in this most tragic hour of history, which is living proof of divine Providence in this world,” Chief Rabbi Herzog declared on February 28. (Actes, X, p. 292). In his April 7 letter to the papal nuncio in Romania, Chief Rabbi Alexander Shafran of Bucharest wrote, “It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the warmth and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the Supreme Pontiff, who offered a large sum to relive the sufferings of deported Jews... The Jews of Romania will never forget these facts of historic importance...” (Actes, X, pp. 291-292).

In June 1944, two separate events helped establish the Pope’s reputation as a rescuer of Jews, at least temporarily. When the Allies liberated Rome, thousands of Jews came out of their hiding places, and told the world of their salvation by the Vatican. On June 25, the Pope openly protested the deportations of Hungarian Jews.

The many tributes to Pius XII began in July. “It is gradually being revealed that Jews have been sheltered within the walls of the Vatican during the German occupation of Rome,” reported the July 7 Jewish News in Detroit. A July 14 editorial in the Congress Weekly, the official journal of the American Jewish Congress, added that the Vatican also provided Jewish refugees with kosher food.

Also on July 14, American Hebrew in New York published an interview with Chief Rabbi Israel Zolli of Rome. “The Vatican has always helped the Jews and the Jews are very grateful for the charitable work of the Vatican, all done without distinction of race,” Rabbi Zolli said. After the war, Rabbi Zolli converted to Catholicism, which brought him much severe criticism from some Jews. Dr. Zolli’s conversion was widely attributed to his gratitude for what the Pope did for Jews. In his 1954 memoirs, Before the Dawn, however, Dr. Zolli strongly denied this assertion. Instead, he claimed to have witnessed a vision of Christ, who called him to the faith.

A week later on July 21, the Vatican received telegrams from the National Jewish Welfare Board and the World Jewish Congress. The National Jewish Welfare Board expressed its gratitude to the Pope for “the aid and protection given to so many Italian Jews by the Vatican...” (Actes, X, pp. 358-359). The World Jewish Congress also acknowledged the Vatican’s “noble humanitarian work” on behalf of Hungarian Jews. (Actes, X, pp. 359).

The deportations of Hungarian Jews horrified the Allied and neutral nations. The American Jewish Committee and other Jewish groups organized a rally in Manhattan’s Madison Square Park on July 31 to mobilize public opinion against the deportations. In his address, Judge Joseph Proskauer, the Committee’s president, declared, “We have heard... what a great part the Holy Father has played in the salvation of the refugees in Italy, and we know from sources that must be credited that this great Pope has reached forth his mighty and sheltering hand to help the oppressed of Hungary.” (Speech obtained from American Committee Library in Manhattan).

During the following months, Rabbi Stephen Wise, the president of the American Jewish Congress, Chief Rabbi Joseph Hertz of the British Empire, composer Irving Berlin, Congressman Emmanuel Cellar of Brooklyn, the Emergency Committee to Save the Jews of Europe, the Union of Orthodox Rabbis of the United States and Canada, and the World Agudas Organization also lauded Pius XII for helping endangered Jews. At the time, Rabbi Wise also condemned Christian indifference toward the extermination of Jews.

With Rome liberated, the Pope frequently greeted Allied soldiers. During one meeting, he blessed a Jewish soldier from Palestine in Hebrew. In the Congress Weekly (October 20, 1944), Elias Gilner found great significance in this event. Gilner wrote that the Pope’s blessing “becomes a memorable act, a far-flung message of good-will, an expression of the Christian spirit at its highest.” Gilner added that Pius XII by this blessing also began a “new course” in Catholic-Jewish relations.

The tributes to Pope Pius XII from Jews continued after the war in Europe ended. On April 22, 1945, Moshe Sharrett, the future Foreign Minister and Prime Minister of Israel sent a report of his meeting with the Pope to the Executive of the Jewish Agency. Sharrett wrote that “my first duty was to thank him, and through him, the Catholic Church, on behalf of the Jewish public, for all they had done in the various countries to rescue Jews, to save children, and Jews in general.” (Lapide, pp. 225-226)

On October 11, the World Jewish Congress donated $20,000 to Vatican charities. According to the New York Times (October 12, 1945), the gift was “made in recognition of the work of the Holy See in rescuing Jews from Fascist and Nazi persecution.” Although the current leaders of the World Jewish Congress have a much different view of the Vatican’s wartime actions, they never retracted that recognition.

During a St. Louis conference on the plight of displaced Jewish refugees on March 17, 1946, William Rosenwald, the chairman of the United Jewish Appeal for Refugees, Overseas Needs and Palestine, said, “I wish to take this opportunity to pay tribute to Pope Pius for his appeal in behalf of the victims of war and oppression. He provided aid for Jews in Italy and intervened in behalf of refugees to lighten their burden.” (New York Times, March 18, 1946.) The previous week, the Pope granted Mr. Rosenwald an audience. According to Mr. Rosenwald, the Pope said that Holocaust survivors and Jewish refugees should be allowed to resettle in the United States.

In an article for Commentary (November 1950), French scholar and Holocaust survivor Leon Poliakov discussed the Vatican’s conduct during the war. Poliakov suggested that the Vatican during the Holocaust retreated to its “medieval tradition” of protecting Jews from state persecution. “There is no doubt that secret instructions went out from the Vatican urging the national churches to intervene in favor of the Jews by every possible means,” Poliakov wrote. In fact, according to Volumes VI, VIII, IX, and X of the Actes, these instructions were sent to the Vatican’s many diplomatic representatives.

Still, Poliakov was troubled because he believed that Pius XII’s public statements were too vague. But Poliakov conceded the argument that “public protests would have brought no help to the victims, and might have produced contrary effects.” He cited the tragic case of Holland where the protests against the deportations of Jews by the Dutch Catholic bishops in 1942 led to the arrest of Catholic Jews, who were previously spared for deportation by the Nazis.

In 1955, the Israeli Philharmonic Orchestra, which was composed of Jewish refugees from many nations, toured Italy. The Orchestra performed a concert at the Vatican on May 26, 1955. According to the Jerusalem Post (May 29, 1955), “Conductor Paul Klecki had requested that the Orchestra on its first visit to Italy play for the Pope as a gesture of gratitude for the help his Church had given to all those persecuted by Nazi Fascism.”

In 1957, the Pope received a delegation from the American Jewish Committee. The New York Times on June 29, 1957 reported that the Committee’s representatives described the Pope as a “great friend” in the battle against racism and anti-Semitism in the United States. The Pope also praised the Committee’s work, and issued a strong statement condemning anti-Semitism.

Pope Pius XII died on October 8, 1958. Many Jewish organizations and newspapers around the world mourned his passing, and recalled his wartime efforts to rescue Jews. At the United Nations, Golda Meir, Israel’s Foreign Minister, said, “When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was raised for the victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out on the great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict.” The Zionist Record (October 17) in South Africa published Meir’s moving eulogy along with tributes from Jewish organizations to the late Pope.

“Adherents of all creeds and parties will recall how Pius XII faced the responsibilities of his exalted office with courage and devotion,” declared the Jewish Chronicle in London on October 10. “Before, during, and after the Second World War, he constantly preached the message of peace. Confronted by the monstrous cruelties of Nazism, Fascism, and Communism, he repeatedly proclaimed the virtues of humanity and compassion.”

In the Canadian Jewish Chronicle (October 17), Rabbi J. Stern recalled that Pius XII “made it possible for thousands of Jewish victims of Nazism and Fascism to be hidden away...” In the November 6 edition of the Jewish Post in Winnipeg, William Zukerman, the former American Hebrew columnist, wrote that no other leader “did more to help the Jews in their hour of greatest tragedy, during the Nazi occupation of Europe, than the late Pope.”

Representatives of the World Jewish Congress, American Jewish Congress, American Jewish Committee, Synagogue Council of America, New York Board of Rabbis, the Anti-Defamation League, Massachusetts Board of Rabbis, Rabbinical Council of America, National Council of Jewish Women, and the Union of American Hebrew Congregations also gracefully eulogized Pope Pius XII. The Chief Rabbis of London, Rome, Jerusalem, France, Egypt, Argentina and many other Jewish newspapers also paid tribute to the late Pope.

How do Pius XII’s detractors explain these many statements of praise from Jews? They prefer to ignore them. Any acknowledgment of these tributes immediately undermines the case against him.

Instead, critics always focus on the Pope’s “silence” without discussing what he actually said during the war, and how his addresses were received by all sides; insist that the Pope did little or nothing to help Jews escape from the Nazis; exclusively cite authors who attack him while ignoring those who defend him; and assign him sinister motives by using suspicion and a selective interpretation of evidence.

Recently, in Commentary (July/August 1999), Prof. Robert Wistrich argued that it is unfair to cite these tributes from Jews because damaging evidence against the Pope was discovered after his death. But that argument ignores the fact that many post-war revelations have been very favorable toward the Pope. In 1946, the Vatican newspaper confirmed that Pius XII in 1940 had acted as an intermediary between a group of German generals who wanted to overthrow Adolf Hitler and the British government. The release of documents from the British Foreign Office years later also confirmed his role in “The Generals’ Plot.” The 1953 publication of The Undeclared War by William Langer and S. Everett Gleason disclosed the Pope’s surprising 1941 concession to President Franklin Roosevelt that American Catholics could support the extension of the Lend-Lease program to the Soviet Union.

The conclusions of the first generation of authors critical of the Pope like Rolf Hochhuth, Guenther Lewy, Saul Friedlander and Carlo Falconi were invalidated by the complete publication of the 11 volumes of the Actes. Unfortunately, these volumes, which detail the Vatican’s relations with all the belligerent governments and assistance given to all the victims of the war, have been either ignored or downplayed by historians and journalists.

Many Jewish organizations had no reservations about attacking Father Charles Coughlin, the anti-Semitic radio broadcaster. If these same organizations were actually displeased with Pius XII’s actions, as Father John Pawlikoski suggested in Commonweal (July 17, 1998), then why did they continue to publicly honor the Pope throughout the war and beyond? How could Jews on six continents have been so tragically mistaken about one man? Could they all have been either blissfully ignorant or extremely disingenuous?

Many Catholics have been puzzled by the fact that many of the same Jewish organizations that condemn Pius XII today once never passed up an opportunity to praise him. What could have caused the vast shift in Jewish attitudes toward the late Pope?

Some Catholic writers point to the influence of Rolf Hochhuth’s 1963 play, The Deputy, which presented the Pope as a cold-blooded Nazi collaborator who did nothing as six million Jews went to their death. However, allegations that the Vatican collaborated with the Nazis did not begin with Hochhuth. While Pius XII was still alive, anti-Catholic authors like Avro Manhattan (The Vatican in World Politics, 1949) and Paul Blanshard (American Freedom and Catholic Power, 1949) condemned his actions during World War II. Although Manhattan and Blanshard found isolated audiences in some Protestant and fundamentalist Christian circles, many Jews continued to have a favorable impression of the wartime Pope.

Other cultural shifts in society ensured that Hochhuth’s demonic portrait would become accepted as conventional wisdom. Shortly after Hochhuth’s play made its appearance, the movement known as the New Left marched across college campuses. The New Left was more than a political movement; it was also a cultural movement whose members seized influential positions in the universities, the media and the entertainment industry. The Catholic Church strongly opposed the New Left’s social agenda of legal abortion, contraception and sexual promiscuity. Activists needed a weapon to undermine the Catholic Church’s moral authority and influence. “The silence of Pius XII” provided such a powerful weapon, and it was used at every possible opportunity. What right would a Church that failed to oppose the mass murder of Jews have to teach morality to anyone? A few years ago, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops criticized US Surgeon General Dr. Jocelyn Elders for her pro-abortion views. Dr. Elders responded by noting the Catholic Church’s indifference toward both slavery and the Holocaust.

Unfortunately, Jewish organizations have never sufficiently explained why they changed their minds about the Pope. A clear answer may never be known unless Jewish organizations finally provide honest and convincing explanations after nearly 40 years of evasion.

Could attitudes shift again? It’s possible. In the last several years, many Catholic newspapers and magazines have been zealously defending Pius XII’s reputation. The Catholic League for Civil and Religious Rights has also been successful in bringing the debate over the Vatican’s wartime role into the mainstream media. In his new book, Never Again: A History’ of the Holocaust, acclaimed Holocaust historian Sir Martin Gilbert identifies the Vatican as one of the European governments that protected Jews. Prof. William Rubinstein’s book, The Myth of Rescue (1997), which received substantial attention and criticism, argues that the Allies and Vatican could not have saved more Jewish lives. Rubinstein’s sobering conclusion that the, “responsibility for the Holocaust lies solely and wholly with Adolf Hitler, the SS and their accomplices, and with no one else,” represents a return to reason.

It may take a generation to restore Pope Pius XII’s good name. However, more and more people today are recognizing that he acted like a Good Samaritan during World War II. When the Pope failed to prevent the start of the war, he immediately devoted himself to alleviating the physical and spiritual suffering of countless numbers of innocent victims regardless of their race or faith. As the late Father Robert Graham, S.J. wrote, the many tributes the Pope received from Jews around the world are a witness to both his efforts and his character.

(Cavalli is a freelance writer based in New York, with an M.A. from Catholic University. He is grateful to the Rev. Matthew Flood, S.J. of Fordham Prep in the Bronx, New York and to Angelo Sedacca for translating a number of documents from the Actes into English. The Jewish newspapers cited are on microfilm at the New York Public Library’s Jewish Division.)


6 posted on 05/11/2014 5:55:11 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Zenjitsuman; SkyPilot; Campion; NYer

Bogus, left-wing propaganda. When Pope Pius XII is canonized the primary reason cited will be his efforts to save untold thousands of Jews from the gas chambers.

http://catholiceducation.org/articles/facts/fm0020.html

“The campaign of vilification against Pope Pius can be traced to the debut in Berlin in February 1963 of a play, by a young, Protestant, left-wing West German writer and playwright, Rolf Hochhuth. The Deputy, in which Hochhuth depicts Pacelli as a Nazi collaborator, guilty of moral cowardice and “silence” in the face of the Nazi onslaught, is a scathing indictment of Pope Pius XII’s alleged indifferences to the plight of European Jewry during the Holocaust”.


7 posted on 05/11/2014 6:00:42 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

A question I have is, does Pope Pius XII have a tree or another special honor that is given to thoes whom both Israel and the Jewish people call, that is in Israel a “rightous gentle” ? That would be a great start.


8 posted on 05/11/2014 6:08:02 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Campion
Well Said, Campion.

Also, let's not forget the communist/socialist war against the Catholic Church in Spain in 1936 (just three years before the start of World War II) in which thirteen of sixteen Bishops and nearly 7000 priests, seminarians, monks and nuns were murdered. This was very much on the mind of the Pope as he chose his courses of action in resisting the equivalent evils of Communism (Proletarian Socialism) and Nazism (Nationalist Socialism). —The other popular Communist message on the Spanish Civil War which persist to today was that Franco was a Fascist.— It was not the role of the unarmed Church to openly declare war against Socialism of both Proletarian and Nationalist varieties, but to resist their evils prayerfully and passively while continuing to spread it's message of saying “No!” in the face of evil. The Pope hid 5000 Jews in his summer residence (where Benedict now lives) and the Church undercut the hatred inspired by Communism and Fascism throughout Europe.

9 posted on 05/11/2014 6:16:34 AM PDT by Bill Russell
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To: Biggirl

There is a long-term and ongoing attempt to recognize Pius at Yad Vashem.

I suspect that the difficulty isn’t Pius’ actual conduct, but rather the general feeling that, as the leader of the Christianity that birthed the culture the lead to the Holocaust, Pius should not be recognized. Very unfair to him personally for sure.

Pius will eventually be recognized at Yad Vashem.


10 posted on 05/11/2014 6:18:40 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Campion

Thank you, Campion, for your timely and well-stated rebuttal. Satan hates the cross!


11 posted on 05/11/2014 6:20:08 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Biggirl

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/090507

In 1958, when Pope Pius XII died, the first official dignitary to react was Golda Meir, delegate to the United Nations and the future prime minister of Israel. She said in her public message:

We share in the grief of humanity at the passing away of His Holiness, Pope Pius XII. In a generation afflicted by wars and discords he upheld the highest ideals of peace and compassion. When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was raised for its victims.

It was estimated by the newly created government of Israel that Pope Pius XII’s policy of quiet but intense behind-the-scenes effort had saved over 800,000 Jewish lives during the Holocaust — more than all other relief organizations combined. James Bogle points out the fact that the government of Israel officially approved the creation of a memorial forest with the planting of 800,000 trees in the Negev desert, southeast of Jerusalem, to stand as a perpetual monument to the heroic efforts of a truly great man and a true friend of the Jews, Pope Pius XII.


12 posted on 05/11/2014 6:21:26 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

Unfortunately, the Pius forest in Israel seems to be an urban legend. Anyone know where it’s at, have pictures or visited there?


13 posted on 05/11/2014 6:30:15 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Not a legend. Now whether it ever got planted is another story.

http://rclweb.com/resources/2009/10/09/venerable-pius-xii-feast-day-%E2%80%94-october-9/


14 posted on 05/11/2014 6:34:21 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

Yes it was proposed. The portrayal of it as existing is an urban legend.


15 posted on 05/11/2014 6:37:31 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Campion

Do we really need to refute this tired communist-inspired lie again? Here, on FR, supposedly an anti-communist site?

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The hatred of the Catholic Church is much stronger in some FReepers than any hatred of totalitarian regimes or ideologies.


16 posted on 05/11/2014 6:46:20 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: bboop

Satan hates the cross!

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Yep! Needs repeating.


17 posted on 05/11/2014 6:48:48 AM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Bigg Red

Indeed. The founding “Know Nothing” branch of the party has sadly not died out to the present day.


18 posted on 05/11/2014 8:13:58 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: SkyPilot

Antisemitism and antiCatholics are a common stew of jealosy, envy and preening hatred that won’t be going away anytime soon and regardless of truth. It’s been so bad that so much of the evidence now exploding in recent years, has been denied, buried and rewritten.

In the absence of any ancient history of their own, apart from the origins and reality of the Jews and the Catholics a thousand years before them, we’re going to get only noise and on a stump and an unleashed imagination from the Anti crowd, forever a poor substitute for the facts and the evidence, archived in every nation’s capitol where Jews were secretly lent cover and sustenance during WWII.

As the poor will be with us always, so shall the poorly informed, ever clawing against the tide of facts and the truth of the evidence.


19 posted on 05/11/2014 9:04:03 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Zenjitsuman; vladimir998

LOL! Zenny!

That’s it? That’s all you can bring?

I know that watching your numbers shrink has to be painful, on so many levels. Truth out is a complication, I’m sure, especially when it’s rather just beginning.


20 posted on 05/11/2014 9:14:56 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Zenjitsuman

Where is your historical(emphasis on this word) proof?


21 posted on 05/11/2014 11:33:15 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Campion
Your picture isn't one of the Pope.

I didn't know that. Who is he then?


22 posted on 05/11/2014 4:25:24 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: RitaOK
Antisemitism and antiCatholics are a common stew of jealosy, envy and preening hatred that won’t be going away anytime soon and regardless of truth.

How ironic that you wrapped your defense behind the skirt of the Jews - the very people who were given tepid support (at best) during the Holocaust by the Catholic church.

The real problem the Catholic church had then and now concerning the Jews and Israel is that the Catholic church then (and now) subscribes to Replacement Theology.

That was, and is, a very dangerous position. It mocks God's plan for His people, mocks his Covenants, and negates the clear role spelled out in Revelation for the Jews and Israel in the End Times, and through the Millennial Kingdom.

23 posted on 05/11/2014 4:33:55 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
The real problem the Catholic church had then and now concerning the Jews and Israel is that the Catholic church then (and now) subscribes to Replacement Theology.

Did God make 2 covenants? There was nothing "replaced".

24 posted on 05/11/2014 4:45:39 PM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: SkyPilot

It is indeed Pope Pius XII, and a rather famous photo at that. Doesn’t have any context though.


25 posted on 05/11/2014 4:46:06 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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Really, talk about bearing false witness . . .

Why don't you just look at a photo of Pius XII?

That's obviously not the same man. For one thing, he's a lot older.

It's Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the Papal Nuncio to Germany. The year was 1935. It was a diplomatic reception. Orsenigo was appointed by Pius XI, Pius XII's predecessor. Unfortunately he was an Italian Fascist and much too chummy with the Nazis.

26 posted on 05/11/2014 5:03:29 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia! OF the B)
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To: NYer
Another story from Mr. Krupp -

Gary Krupp came across the evidence in a letter from a Jewish woman whose family was rescued thanks to direct Vatican intervention.

“It is an unusual letter, written by a woman who is alive today in northern Italy, who said she was with her mother, her uncle, and a few other relatives in an audience with Pius XII in 1947.” Next to Pope Pius during the meeting was his Assistant Secretary of State, Monsignor Giovanni Montini, the future Pope Paul VI.

“Her uncle immediately looks at the Pope and he says, ‘You were dressed as a Franciscan,’ and looked at Montini who was standing next to him, ‘and you as a regular priest. You took me out of the ghetto into the Vatican.’ Montini immediately said, ‘Silence, do not ever repeat that story.’”


27 posted on 05/11/2014 5:12:09 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia! OF the B)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Indeed.

A number of places identify that as Pius. They do look alike but for the chin.

In any case, modern-day criticism of Pius XII is unwarranted. The leadership of American secular Jews didn’t do as much.


28 posted on 05/11/2014 5:15:36 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: AnAmericanMother
Several Google searches say that photo is of him and Hitler. I asked if that isn't him in the photo, then what church official is it? Can you tell me? Another Freeper on this thread said it was Pius XII. Who is it then? Thanks.
29 posted on 05/11/2014 5:22:02 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: NKP_Vet
Hochhuth was a conspiracy nut generally - he also wrote a play claiming that Winston Churchill had ordered the Polish prime minister, Sikorski, murdered in an airplane crash. But Hochhuth didn't check to see if the pilot involved was still alive - he was, and he won a hefty libel judgment.

Pius XII was safely dead when Hochhuth wrote his play.

30 posted on 05/11/2014 5:25:20 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia! OF the B)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Ah, just read the bottom of your post. Thanks for that. However, posting a photo from a website that identifies it as the two men is not “false witness.”


31 posted on 05/11/2014 5:26:11 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
I just TOLD you! Why don't you just re-read that post?

Your prejudice is blinding you - as well as the other poster who made the obvious off-the-cuff misidentification.

32 posted on 05/11/2014 5:27:12 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia! OF the B)
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To: SkyPilot
Given the obvious disinformation that has been spread about Pius XII, I would think that you would LOOK at the picture a little more closely.

The two men have completely different faces. But folks who hate Catholics and are anxious to slander a good, holy man are blind.

33 posted on 05/11/2014 5:29:42 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia! OF the B)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Why are you posting in CAPITOL LETTERS?


34 posted on 05/11/2014 5:34:19 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: jjotto
. . . and the nose . . . and the forehead . . . and the hair . . . and the head shape . . . and the ear set . . . and the height (Hitler was 5'8 and Pope Pius was over 6 feet).

About the only similarity is that they're both dressed as cardinals.

Hope you never have to pick anybody out of a lineup!

35 posted on 05/11/2014 5:34:47 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia! OF the B)
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For emphasis because boldface means more keystrokes.

Also . . . because I get irritated at people who make serious accusations without checking their facts.

You are basically helping spread an old Commie slander against a very good Pope who did all he could to help the Jews. Contemporary Jews, including Golda Meir, Albert Einstein, and the Chief Rabbi of Rome, praised him for his efforts. Twenty years later, a two-bit failed playwright, funded by the STASI, wrote a preposterous six-hour long play, and people take it as gospel.

36 posted on 05/11/2014 5:39:14 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia! OF the B)
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To: jjotto
I'm glad you agree that the criticism is unwarranted.

The sad thing is that it was manufactured almost out of whole cloth by Hochhuth in 1963. People have taken it and run with it - most notably John Cornwell, who, however, has recanted most of his thesis set out in Hitler's Pope.

37 posted on 05/11/2014 5:43:17 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia! OF the B)
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To: SkyPilot

Cesare Orsenigo, Papal Nuncio to Germany


38 posted on 05/11/2014 5:45:41 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels"-- Tom Waits)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Having no divisions, and bearing some responsibility for many others’ safety based on his public pronouncements and behavior, Pius had few options that weren’t suicidal.

I’ll repeat: Secular American Jewish leadership’s kissing up to Roosevelt was cowardly in comparison to Pius’ actions.


39 posted on 05/11/2014 5:49:53 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
Pius XII expected to be captured or assassinated by Hitler. He even left sealed instructions in which he resigned from the Papacy - to reduce his value as a hostage.

In fact, Hitler ordered his capture but it did not go through because a number of German commanders were to say the least not keen on it. Admiral Canaris and Gen. Wolff were two who have been mentioned as sabotaging the plan.

But given that he ran a very real risk of death or capture, Pius XII's conduct was quite courageous - and he did save a large number of the Jewish community of Rome by direct action of the most practical kind.

40 posted on 05/11/2014 5:59:48 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia! OF the B)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I disagree. I believe you are doing the equivalent of shouting and screaming at others. Now you are mocking other posters (the line up comment). You called me a bigot and a liar, and accused me of sin for posting a picture from a source that said what it was that I identified it as. What I believe you are attempting to engage is the act of slander. Accusing others here of bigotry, hatred, and lying is wanton slander.

I have no "hatred" of Catholics. I was one until my mid 30s. A very serious one. Most of my beloved family still is. I had no personal relationship with Christ, and no clue about how one becomes saved. I asked many Priests over the years about how I could be sure I would go to heaven. They themselves didn't know. "That's a Great Mystery" was the standard response. Thanks to Christ and the Scriptures, my eyes and heart were opened. Accepting Christ was the most profound thing I have ever encountered.

As to the thread topic, I maintain that the Catholic Church, through the leadership of Pius XII, did a horrible job of confronting the Nazis and an even worse job of protecting the Jews of Europe. Moreover, the Replacement Theology practiced by the church, then and now, is wrong and un-Biblical.

41 posted on 05/11/2014 6:01:39 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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OK, you're unhappy with the Church. That doesn't justify your initial slander of a good and holy man, and you can't excuse it by accusing others of slander on extremely thin, not to say nonexistent, grounds.

Capitalizing ONE word is now the equivalent of shouting and screaming? YOU (yes, that is for emphasis) began this by repeating at great length and without the most cursory fact-check a horrific slander of the leader of a Church of which you used to be a member. And you take it from an obviously biased website (which relies heavily on Cornwell's book and other biased sources). I would think that common respect not to mention respect for your family members would cause you to exercise a little more prudence.

The more serious problem is not that you garnished this lengthy diatribe with the picture (although that's a problem), but your repeating something that has been discussed and debunked over and over again right here on FR. Even Cornwell has backtracked significantly from his original position. Surely before you repeat something as serious as accusing a religious leader of truly heinous conduct, you should check around a little?

But you cannot seriously have looked at that picture and thought that it was the same man. Finding it on the internet is no excuse - you can find a picture of Elvis meeting a space alien. It supported your own prejudice, so you ran with it. You got caught. You're blaming others.

Not very impressive.

42 posted on 05/11/2014 6:24:54 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia! OF the B)
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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."
Rabbi David Dalin: The book’s dishonesty does indeed begin on the front cover of Cornwell’s Hitler’s Pope. The book’s title, Hitler’s Pope, is of course historically false and malicious itself. Eugenio Pacelli, who served as papal nuncio in Berlin until 1929, never met or spoke with Adolf Hitler. During Hitler’s much-publicized state visit to Rome in 1938, for example, Pacelli (together with Pope Pius XI) very publicly snubbed the Nazi leader by refusing to meet with him and by leaving Rome for the papal summer residence of Castel Gandolfo.

As you note, Tom, the malicious title Hitler’s Pope is reinforced by the book’s misleading jacket, which has a picture of Pacelli, then the papal nuncio in Berlin, leaving a reception given for the constitutionally elected president of Germany, Paul von Hindenburg, in 1927. This photograph, a favorite of those who wish to portray Pius XII in an unfavorable light…

The Myth of Hitler's Pope


43 posted on 05/11/2014 6:42:35 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Very interesting indeed. Thanks for the find.


44 posted on 05/11/2014 6:44:49 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: D-fendr
Good catch. Rabbi Dalin's book is an interesting read. He also has a theory as to why the slander of Pius XII caught fire around the time of Cornwell's book:

The liberal bestselling attacks on the pope and the Catholic Church are really an intra-Catholic argument about the direction of the Church today. The Holocaust is simply the biggest club available for liberal Catholics to use against traditional Catholics in their attempt to bash the papacy and thereby to smash traditional Catholic teaching — especially on issues relating to sexuality, including abortion, contraception, celibacy, and the role of women in the Church. The anti-papal polemics of ex-seminarians like Garry Wills and John Cornwell (author of Hitler's Pope), of ex-priests like James Carroll, and of other lapsed or angry liberal Catholics exploit the tragedy of the Jewish people during the Holocaust to foster their own political agenda of forcing changes on the Catholic Church today.
That at least offers an explanation for why there has been such a sudden focus on this recently.
45 posted on 05/11/2014 6:50:48 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia! OF the B)
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To: Bigg Red

“Few Americans hate the Catholic Church,. but millions hate what they think is the Catholic Church.” —Bishop Fulton Sheen


46 posted on 05/11/2014 6:59:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Very insightful.

The Jewish problem with Pius, IMO, isn’t with his personal actions or the actions of the Church in general at that specific time, it is more generally with the historic Jew-hate and more recent anti-Israel stance taken by the Church. Pius seems caught in the crossfire, so to speak.


47 posted on 05/11/2014 7:05:08 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
Another poster seems to think that I was attacking you by my joking reference to a police lineup.

I apologize - it was not intended as an attack - and since I have done some lineup work I am probably more aware than most of identification by means of specific facial features.

( . . . but . . . that nose! ;-) )

48 posted on 05/11/2014 7:05:25 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: jjotto
We have some friends who are Conservative Jews.

They are very uneasy with Catholics in general, and you may be right that Pius XII is more of a convenient target than an actual offender.

49 posted on 05/11/2014 7:08:28 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Point well taken.

I don’t find identifying people from old photos of varying lighting and quality so easy. Certain people can look very different from different angles. Certain actors and actresses come to mind. Other people can be identified easily without seeing their facial features at all.

Bottom line is that Pacelli is misidentified as Pius in a number of photos. To me, it’s the chin that’s a giveaway, but that’s not always clear in old photos.


50 posted on 05/11/2014 7:15:23 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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