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Pope Francis Unfiltered! A Recent Column Describes an Area in which the “Modern” Pope is...
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 5/11/2014 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 05/12/2014 2:20:09 AM PDT by markomalley

Pope Francis, rightly or wrongly (wrongly I would argue), is the darling of self-styled “progressives” who like to see him as a model of the “change” they have been waiting for. The secular media in particular style him as moving the Church dramatically in the directions that please them. But in order to do this, they must apply a filter that ignores a great deal of what he actually says and does. As a Catholic and as Pope, Francis is not going to fit into the  media’s (or anyone’s) neat little categories. He is more complex than such convenient little boxes permit.

Pope Benedict too, despite the label of “conservative,” disappointed many conservatives with his views on the economy (as expressed in his last encyclical) and with some of his notions regarding Hell and whether anyone really went there (Benedict tended to be in the camp of Von Balthasar who “dared” to hope that most would be saved). And for all his generosity toward the Traditional Latin Mass, for the record, he never said one publicly as Pope.

Pope Francis, for all the talk of his being ”liberal” or “progressive,” has some pretty tough things to say about sin, Hell, and the devil. In his daily homilies, which are not widely published (since they are not per se part of his “official” teaching), the Pope can be quite blunt:

  1. He has indicated that failing to acknowledge and pray to God puts us in the Devil’s camp:  When one does not profess Jesus Christ—I recall the phrase of Leon Bloy—“Whoever does not pray to God, prays to the devil.” When one does not profess Jesus Christ, one professes the worldliness of the devil. [1]
  2. He has denounced our smug, modern attitude toward sin or the need for salvation: Walking in darkness means being overly pleased with ourselves, believing that we do not need salvation. That is darkness! When we continue on this road of darkness, it is not easy to turn back. …Look to your sins, to our sins, we are all sinners, all of us. …This is the starting point. [2]
  3. He is dismissive of the Church building on any merely secular foundation other than Christ: We can build many things, but if we do not confess Jesus Christ, nothing will avail. We will become a pitiful NGO, but not the Church, the Bride of Christ. [3]
  4. He speaks of the increasing denial of religious liberty and the secularism of the West as a form of apostasy: It will do us good to think about this general apostasy which is called a ban on worship and ask ourselves: ‘Do I worship the Lord? Do I adore Jesus Christ the Lord? Or do I in some measure play the game of the prince of this world?’ [4]
  5. In very “un-modern” terms he says that shame needs to be rediscoveredBut shame is a true Christian virtue, and even human. …You need to stand in front of the Lord “with our truth of sinners.”  …We must never masquerade before God. …This is the virtue that Jesus asks of us: humility and meekness. …I do not know if there is a similar saying in Italian, but in our country [Argentina] those who are never ashamed are called “sin verguenza.” This means “the unashamed,” because they are people who do not have the ability to be ashamed and to be ashamed is a virtue of the humble, of the man and the woman who are humble. …Ask for the grace of shame; the shame that comes from the constant dialogue of mercy with Him; the shame that makes us blush before Jesus Christ; the shame that puts us in tune with the heart of Christ. [5]

Allow these examples to suffice to show that Pope Francis can speak in very pointed and decidedly “un-modern” ways. But many in the wider culture and media prefer to have him filtered, so as to make him fit their label of the “change” Pope. The real Francis cannot be so easily pigeon-holed. A scanning of the summaries from the Vatican on the Pope’s daily homilies is a good place to start in order to discover “Francis Unplugged” i.e., the real Pope Francis, who while stylistically different than Benedict, cannot be so easily categorized theologically.

 In Sunday’s Washington Post however comes a column that describes Pope Francis as no “modern” when it comes to the Devil. He is clear to state that the Devil is no allegory. He is very real and he is after you and your children and ought to be taken seriously. In this matter, Pope Francis has the “old time religion.” Note what the Post reports. (My comments are in plain red text.)

A darling of liberal Catholics and an advocate of inclusion and forgiveness, Pope Francis is hardly known for fire and brimstone.  [Note how the filter is described. As seen above and as any true perusal of Francis' sermons shows, to say that Francis is hardly known for fire and brimstone is a filtered perception and not the fuller reality. He does speak a good bit about sin, using strong terms like apostasy and pride, and also speaks freely of Satan and Hell. The article now goes on to describe the truer reality of "Francis Unplugged" on the subject of Satan.]

[Yet] after his little more than a year atop the Throne of St. Peter, Francis’s teachings on Satan are already regarded as the most old school of any pope since at least Paul VI. …Francis has not only dwelled far more on Satan in sermons and speeches than his recent predecessors have, but also sought to rekindle the Devil’s image as a supernatural entity with the forces­ of evil at his beck and call. …

A few months later, he praised a group long viewed by some as the crazy uncles of the Roman Catholic Church — the International Association of Exorcists — for “helping people who suffer and are in need of liberation.”…

Since its foundation, the Church has taught the existence of the Devil. But in recent decades, progressive priests and bishops, particularly in the United States and Western Europe, have tended to couch Satan in more allegorical terms. [Sadly, this is true. Many of the same generation of clerics were too ready to consign every possible case of diabolical obsession and possession to the psychiatric community. To be sure, there are times when the real issues are psychiatric. But other times this is not the case, and many times there is overlap. Too easily have we, for over a generation, dismissed diabolical incursion and reneged on our duty to pray for the deliverance of people in crisis and to do our part, in partnership with the psychiatric community.] Evil became less the wicked plan of the master of hell than the nasty byproduct of humanity’s free will.

Even Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, a lofty German theologian, often painted evil with a broad brush. [I'm not so sure about this. To some extent it is true that Pope Benedict had highly refined and scholarly ways of speaking, lots of distinctions, etc., but at the end of the day, I never doubted he knew the devil was real.] 

“Pope Francis never stops talking about the Devil; it’s constant,” said one senior bishop in Vatican City who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to speak freely. “Had Pope Benedict done this, the media would have clobbered him.”

Some progressive theologians complain, the pope is undermining his reputation as a leader who in so many other ways appears to be more in step with modern society than his predecessor. “He is opening the door to superstition,” said Vito Mancuso, a Catholic theologian and writer. [Again, filter alert! Pay attention, "progressive" theologians, Francis does not fit your little mold and is not a shill in your program. Pope Francis, like any good Catholic, doesn't fit into worldly boxes and categories.] 

[These are excerpts from the Post article. The full article is here: Modern Pope, Old School on the Devil.]

It’s good to get a little of this bigger picture out there. I have not said a lot about Pope Francis directly on this blog because I am afraid that too many bring polarized notions about him to the discussion, notions driven not by the real “unplugged” Francis, but rather by a “spun” Francis, a “filtered” Francis.

Debates can surely continue about whether and how Pope Francis’ tendency to speak off the cuff is helpful or not, whether he is being played by the media, etc. I will leave these prudential notions to others. But for our purposes here, it probably helps to see at least some evidence that the real Pope Francis, unfiltered and unplugged, is a bit more complex than the categorizers understand. Those of us who strive to be loyal Catholics do well to look a little past the headlines, a little deeper, and listen and pray more than we react. After all he is the vicar of Christ. And Jesus doesn’t fit into secular boxes or categories either.

I would value your contributions, especially about things that Pope Francis has said that don’t fit the mold, sayings that surprise and cut across secular categories.

By the way, who is in the photo at the upper right? Yup, that’s Pope Francis saying Mass Ad Orientem.


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Full title: Pope Francis Unfiltered! A Recent Column Describes an Area in which the “Modern” Pope is definitely “Old School.”
1 posted on 05/12/2014 2:20:09 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: Biggirl; Carpe Cerevisi; ConorMacNessa; Faith65; GreyFriar; Heart-Rest; JPX2011; Mercat; ...

Msgr Pope ping


2 posted on 05/12/2014 2:20:44 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

He’s a Christian Marxist—and far from the only one.


3 posted on 05/12/2014 2:40:35 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: markomalley

Thanks for the balanced article Mark. I must say I enjoy reading your posts!

It is not only the secular media who use their own filter we all do to some extent - not recognizing it is where the problem lies.


4 posted on 05/12/2014 4:02:02 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: markomalley

See also this thread from yesterday:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3154756/posts


5 posted on 05/12/2014 5:00:16 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: 9YearLurker
He’s a Christian Marxist—and far from the only one.

I disagree. You cannot be both a Christian and a marxist. The two are mutually exclusive.

Likewise you cannot be Catholic without being Christian (a follower of Christ)

Marxists would be calling for the governments to take money by force from those who earned it and give it to those who did not. Somewhat like the pope did last week by calling for "legitimate income redistribution".

So we've finally found the answer to the age old question "Is the pope Catholic?"

Apparently he is not.

6 posted on 05/12/2014 5:16:13 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: All
Pope Francis, rightly or wrongly (wrongly I would argue), is the darling of self-styled “progressives” who like to see him as a model of the “change” they have been waiting for. The secular media in particular style him as moving the Church dramatically in the directions that please them. But in order to do this, they must apply a filter that ignores a great deal of what he actually says and does. As a Catholic and as Pope, Francis is not going to fit into the media’s (or anyone’s) neat little categories. He is more complex than such convenient little boxes permit.

Pope Benedict too, despite the label of “conservative,” disappointed many conservatives with his views on the economy (as expressed in his last encyclical) and with some of his notions regarding Hell and whether anyone really went there (Benedict tended to be in the camp of Von Balthasar who “dared” to hope that most would be saved). And for all his generosity toward the Traditional Latin Mass, for the record, he never said one publicly as Pope.

IB4TPWMA

7 posted on 05/12/2014 5:23:01 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: markomalley
Pope Benedict nailed it for me.
He said that RELATIVE MORALITY is our problem today.

When he's right, he's right.

8 posted on 05/12/2014 5:27:55 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: John O
Somewhat like the pope did last week by calling for "legitimate income redistribution".

Of all the people on the planet who knows this WON'T happen, he is one of them. Wishful thinking in every way--like hoping the dopers and drunks will turn around, that the cheap will be generous, the bad will be good and the ugly will ... oops, wrong. I've got myself into an Eastwood movie again. :o) Sorry.

9 posted on 05/12/2014 5:33:09 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: John O

I don’t give myself credit for determined whether a professed Christian is or isn’t such.

But I know a Marxist when I see one.


10 posted on 05/12/2014 5:45:12 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

*determining*


11 posted on 05/12/2014 5:45:33 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; ...

Ping!


12 posted on 05/12/2014 6:42:39 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: John O
The Pope is Catholic. On the money -- please read about subsidiarity. (Note I didn't say subsidies.)

Subsidiarity is seeking assistance at the lowest level. Neighbor, community in your block, Caritas fund at local church, St. Vincent de Paul Society in your area, Knights of Columbus, Young Ladies Institute and so on. Once a person has exhausted all these private sources to no avail -- then they can investigate city resources, county resources, regional resources.

Have I mentioned big federal government yet? No.

Repeat After Me: Subsidiarity & Solidarity
Subsidiarity and Human Dignity
Does the USCCB Understand Subsidiarity?
[CATHOLIC CAUCUS] The Principle of Subsidiarity
[CATHOLIC/ORTHODOX CAUCUS] Subsidiarity Over Social Justice
What is the USCCB’s problem with subsidiarity?
Subsidiarity: Where Justice and Freedom Coexist
Health reform still full of thorny problems for Catholics (Vasa comes out for subsidiarity)
What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Subsidiarity, [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Catholic Word of the Day: SUBSIDIARITY, 06-11-09

13 posted on 05/12/2014 7:08:41 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

The allegorization of Genesis is where all the trouble starts. Why do conservative Catholics protest when their own philosophy is taken to its logical conclusion???


14 posted on 05/12/2014 7:54:00 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Salvation

He called for “legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the state”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/09/pope-francis-redistribution-wealth-_n_5294629.html

Redistribution of wealth is forced theft.

He he had meant charity, he would have said charity (Which I am all for).

Marxism is not compatible with Christianity


15 posted on 05/12/2014 8:47:07 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O

Why is it that no conservative believes the huff post on political matters? But do believe the huff post on religious matters?

LOL! What hypocrisy.


16 posted on 05/12/2014 8:50:35 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I read a smattering of the articles and stand by my original statement. This pope is not Catholic. Pushing for state redistribution of wealth is not only marxist but is also a violation of subsidiarity.


17 posted on 05/12/2014 8:52:32 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O

Did you read any of the information of subsidiarity?


18 posted on 05/12/2014 8:53:21 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

Clever writers have always been able to parse the words and phrases of any individual so as to portray them as having a philosophy or point of view that comports with whatever the writer wishes to suggest.

This ability is not reserved to the either the right or the left. Both camps are quite capable of presenting their version of the “truth” equally. Monsignor Pope is not an exception but seems quite talented in this art as well.

But what Pope Francis (or the leader of any organization for that matter) stands for and promotes is only correctly measured by the results; not by what some spin doctor might say they represent. As a very famous man once said, “every good tree bears good fruit; but a bad tree bears bad fruit.” By any reasonable and rational measure, the Catholic Church, headed up by the modernist popes since John XXIII, has not borne good fruit.

Monsignor Pope’s view is the voice of the neo-Catholics. Until the bishops and the popes recognize that they must return to teaching the true faith, rather than depend upon favorable media to tout their successes, those who seek a holy Church will search in vain.


19 posted on 05/12/2014 9:42:10 AM PDT by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: markomalley

One modern manifestation of evil is Nancy Pelosi.

And another modern manifestation of evil is the fact the Cardinal Donald Wuerl insists that Nancy Pelosi must be given Communion.

Any priest in the Archdiocese of Washington who denies Communion to Nancy Pelosi, or to an out-and-proud lesbian, will be suspended immediately by Cardinal Wuerl.

Obviously, it is sinful to cause scandal by giving such people Communion. There certainly can be no noble or respectable motive for these evil actions by Cardinal Wuerl! The “reasons” he has offered in public statements have been preposterous.

What could be the REAL motives behind Cardinal Wuerl’s determination to commit sacrilege and cause scandal?


20 posted on 05/12/2014 9:51:13 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Salvation
The Pope is Catholic. On the money -- please read about subsidiarity. (Note I didn't say subsidies.)

"Salvation", you're such a boot-licker for the organization that you are now twisting subsidiarity - a wonderful and forgotten concept in Catholicism - into something it NEVER was - forced redistribution by government.

People like you are EXACTLY why I'm no longer Catholic.

21 posted on 05/12/2014 11:35:16 AM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian; Salvation
How is she twisting subsidiarity into something it's not? How exactly is "redistribution of economic benefit" not an example of subsidiarity? Please don't answer with something snippy like "if you can't see it, I can't help you", or similar some such as commonly passes for discourse around here. I'm asking honestly.

Because for where I sit, cutting taxes, lessening or eliminating government regulation, and limiting the size and scope of federal government itself are all examples of "redistributing economic benefit", not money or wealth, which is not what he said, but "benefit". And also the goals of subsidiarity.

22 posted on 05/12/2014 11:57:31 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven
"redistribution of economic benefit
BY THE STATE"

23 posted on 05/12/2014 12:05:59 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Yossarian
Right. And if there are taxes and regulations currently imposed by the state, then don't you think a proponent of subsidiarity would say, the state should lessen these taxes and regulations, in other words the state should redistribute the economic benefits the high taxes and onerous regulations currently give to only a relatively few people. Don't you think that's how a proponent of subsidiarity would phrase such a call? Or do you think he'd call for revolution or something?

That's a perfectly acceptable way to describe what lowering taxes and regulations are: when done by the state when the state lowers taxes and regulations, the state is redistributing the economic benefits high taxes and many regulations denied the people at large.

What is wrong there?

24 posted on 05/12/2014 12:18:29 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: NYer
Ad Orientem ping

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25 posted on 05/12/2014 1:02:55 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: tomsbartoo
You speak the truth my friend, especially this:

By any reasonable and rational measure, the Catholic Church, headed up by the modernist popes since John XXIII, has not borne good fruit.

Monsignor Pope’s view is the voice of the neo-Catholics. Until the bishops and the popes recognize that they must return to teaching the true faith, rather than depend upon favorable media to tout their successes, those who seek a holy Church will search in vain.

26 posted on 05/12/2014 1:09:46 PM PDT by piusv
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To: FourtySeven
Trying to twist Francis' comments for increased governmental interference into a Ronald Reagan-like call for decreased government interference is insane.

If he had, Christian conservatives - who understand the true meaning of subsidiarity - would be dancing in the streets. Yes, it first starts with people who EARN the money having the freedom to KEEP that money (so they can best use it to do God's will). That's exactly the OPPOSITE of what Pope Fluffy is calling for.

27 posted on 05/12/2014 1:09:57 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Salvation; Yossarian
Did you read any of the information of subsidiarity?

yep. several of the articles. And what the pope is calling for is ANTI-subsidiarity. Using the force of the state to redistribute wealth is theft no matter what nice name you label it with.

The moment you involve the state, it becomes theft. If he wants to preach to the rich that they should share more, I'd be in total agreement. But that is not what he did. He called for the state to come in and FORCE them to share more.

Yossarian is right on in his comments.

28 posted on 05/13/2014 11:31:54 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Salvation

It was the huffpost quoting an AP article. Are you saying that the quote was incorrect? Someone posted the entire speech on another thread and what he said in that speech is what was reported by huffpo and AP


29 posted on 05/14/2014 5:31:43 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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