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My Small Church Needs FR Ham Operators
Foundahardheadedwoman | May 14, 2014 | Foundahardheadedwoman

Posted on 05/14/2014 5:18:22 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman

Need a ham operator for one hour per month able to reach Africa. Preacher says some areas can only receive short wave. More details if someone is interested in helping.


TOPICS: Activism; Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: africa; churchoutreach; hamoperators; hamradio
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1 posted on 05/14/2014 5:18:23 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman
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made me think that we need a ham operator at every church in the event of a homeland security shutdown of cell phone towers.


2 posted on 05/14/2014 5:20:52 PM PDT by willywill
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Does your church have missionaries where you are trying to reach?

Interesting venture, I hope fellow FReepers give you the info you need.


3 posted on 05/14/2014 5:23:45 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: willywill

Yes, our group is already working on getting several members HAM tech license.


4 posted on 05/14/2014 5:25:45 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: NewHampshireDuo; Mark17; Bobalu

I bet there is a HAM Radio Ping List or something, maybe these guys would know.


5 posted on 05/14/2014 5:27:40 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
I'm sure there are plenty of Hams in your local area that would be glad to help. You can watch for radio operator personalized license plates, and look for antenna towers to help identify them.

/johnny

6 posted on 05/14/2014 5:29:33 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Preacher said he has been looking and did not think it would be a problem, but it seems that it is a problem. He is not your average preacher and calls it like he sees it, and has stepped on some toes in a big way.


7 posted on 05/14/2014 5:32:29 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Don’t have the link handy but the FCC has a list of operators in any given area on the website. Useful for keeping track if anyone breaks the rules.


8 posted on 05/14/2014 5:32:38 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Back in the day, missionaries with radio amateur licenses, or who had people with radio amateur licenses, would get on 14.300 MHz to connect with hams stateside who would deliver messages, or set up phone patches. I used to be a “net control” but that was a long time ago. It may still be running, AFAIK.

73s de KF4MA


9 posted on 05/14/2014 5:33:04 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Go to this ARRL link to apply for a local examination for Ham license. This will give you a contact who probably know every ham in your area.
10 posted on 05/14/2014 5:34:44 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: GeronL

I don’t know, think he wants to reach people in very remote areas that have no other source. We broadcast into 86 countries now, so says the preacher.


11 posted on 05/14/2014 5:34:50 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Back in the 60s and 70s our town’s eye doctor, Dr. Wernerberg was a very active member of the Angels network. It was a Southern Baptist Ham network which kept in touch with missionaries.

Probably no longer exists but who knows?


12 posted on 05/14/2014 5:34:54 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Bogey78O
The FCC is not supposed to put personally identifying information on the web after 9/11. I had Jim change my screen name (used to be KD5CTS) because I went back in the military after 9/11 and the old FCC web site had my home address on it.

/johnny

13 posted on 05/14/2014 5:34:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Dalberg-Acton
I've been a Ham radio operator since 1971.... But thanks.

/johnny

14 posted on 05/14/2014 5:35:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
Ham radio is NOT for broadcast. It is intended for 2 way communication. Broadcasting can get your license yanked.

/johnny

15 posted on 05/14/2014 5:36:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Ping...


16 posted on 05/14/2014 5:37:49 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Dalberg-Acton

Thanks. Found a guy in Ky who gives the exams, will put the preacher, or myself if asked to, in contact with him.


17 posted on 05/14/2014 5:40:16 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: chajin

I used to get on one they called the halo net, on 21.390. It was mostly for the missionaries in South America, trying to pass messages back to the states. I just lost interest in Ham radio 20 years ago. I have never gotten the interest back again.


18 posted on 05/14/2014 5:44:55 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Ham radio is NOT for broadcast. It is intended for 2 way communication. Broadcasting can get your license yanked.

W1AW is transmitting CW training exercises and other QST one-way. I don't think they are above the law.

IIRC, what is not permitted is commercial use of amateur service. Use of ham radio for connection with remote missions likely falls into that category. They would be better off using Skype. An HF link across half of the planet is not easy, and it cannot be established on demand.

19 posted on 05/14/2014 5:51:27 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: JRandomFreeper

They put names and addresses.

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLicense.jsp

Your info is in there too if you look by call sign. Shows you as HA-Amateur.


20 posted on 05/14/2014 6:02:18 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

arrl.org has a license search. You can search for hams by town, county or state as well as name/call. The ARRL site also has state listings for clubs. Approaching a club is a very good way to find a ham who might be interested in assisting.

There’s also a group called VOAD that has state chapters. They are primarily to provide disaster assistance and generally have hams. Maine VOAD is sponsored by a number of groups including churches.


21 posted on 05/14/2014 6:03:55 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Bogey78O
They aren't supposed to. I'll be writing congress critters again.

/johnny

22 posted on 05/14/2014 6:05:11 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Preacher did not say this is for broadcast, I assumed it was. I no nothing about hams other then it makes a good sandwich. He may be getting in touch with someone to send a sermon to be circulated or something. I have the exam guy in Ky and can find someone here hopefully.


23 posted on 05/14/2014 6:18:10 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Bogey78O

I do have a radio lic. I think 3rd class when I got my pilot’s license. I don’t even know if it is still good. You got the right call sign, how did you know?


24 posted on 05/14/2014 6:43:04 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Greysard
Greysard said: "I don't think they are above the law."

I have a vague recollection that there is a specific exception to the broadcasting prohibition which permits code practice sessions. I think it may be worded in such a way that only one party qualifies for the exception.

25 posted on 05/14/2014 6:47:04 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Mark17

I remember 21.390 as well; never was a net control, but did run a few patches for people. Haven’t done any HF myself since I lost my antenna in the 2004 hurricanes, but I need to get back into ARES, since the family has been getting interested in first responder disaster training.


26 posted on 05/14/2014 6:49:33 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: chajin
....problem is ...the Sun's magnetic field is in decline....so less sunspots are created....so long distance communication is not good....

However...the good news is that it looks like we entering a period similar to the Maunder Minimum..global cooling and a big drop in grain production....


27 posted on 05/14/2014 7:15:24 PM PDT by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman; JoeProBono

28 posted on 05/14/2014 7:47:30 PM PDT by BlueDragon (just in case JoePro is taking the evening off...? ok, you need a real operator, not an amatuer.sorry)
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To: BlueDragon

I am familiar with that type of ham. It is responsible for much of the lard around my belly.


29 posted on 05/14/2014 8:05:05 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: mylife

Any help?


30 posted on 05/14/2014 8:07:16 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman; JRandomFreeper

What Johnny said is accurate. Broadcasting by an amateur operator is not permitted. Communications, not a taped religious service or live broadcast, are permitted to pass from one amateur operator to another in a foreign country as long as the person in the foreign country is a licensed amateur. FCC regulation part 97.115(a)(2)

Music is not permitted to be transmitted via amateur radio FCC part 97.113(1)(4),(e).

No amateur operator is not permitted to transmit communications in which he/she has a pecuniary interest. FCC part 97.113(a)(3).

In short, the only messages an amateur may transmit for a third party in another country are those related to amateur radio or personal remarks or for emergencies or for disaster relief. FCC Part 97.115(a)(2) and 97.117. Moreover, third party traffic can only be transmitted to countries that the United States has a third party traffic agreement with.


31 posted on 05/14/2014 8:25:08 PM PDT by miele man
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
You need a license.

You apply for a shortwave radio station through the FCC. The FCC has strict requirements when applying for a shortwave radio license, and broadcasting without a license is punishable by law. Make sure to review all the guides that the FCC provides for you when applying for a shortwave radio license.

You need to decide whether you are going to apply for an FM (frequency modulation) or AM (amplitude modulation) radio station. If you are running a talk show or news show, you can probably get by with an AM station. For a music radio station, however, an FM signal would be preferable because it has better quality and suffers from less interference than an AM signal. For long haul communications, you will want AM.

Review the guidelines provided by the FCC for individuals seeking to apply for a broadcast radio station. The guidelines are accessible through the FCC's website. Review them carefully and make sure to have everything in order before submitting your application. The guidelines for applying for a radio station are located at: http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form302-AM/302amins.txt.

A local Ham radio operator may be willing to help you out getting the proper permits, but will likely not (and shouldn't) operate your station without a license.

Where are you located? I would be willing to help get the paperwork in order if you are close by.

de
KE4HTS

32 posted on 05/14/2014 10:19:43 PM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!! (this post approved by the NSA))
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I come from E. Ky originally and as a born and breed hillbilly on both sides of my family we tend to view laws as at best, suggestions, at worst a minor inconvenience.
Probably not best to get too involved with me cause as I said the only laws I pay attention to God wrote and I am ashamed to say I have broken most of them and still, I think, have time to break the rest.
I have a line on what I think the preacher wants from another FReeper. Problem I have is he is playing his cards close to his vest and so I don’t know very much about what his plans are. I spoke to him tonight and we are going to get together and he will lay out his plans to me. I think he wants me to foot the bill and I may depending on what it is. He is a little like me, his view of the various laws are overridden by God’s laws and if he decides that his work is more important than the laws against he may well ignore them. I will find out and if I need your help will be happy to get it. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post.


33 posted on 05/14/2014 11:02:16 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: miele man

This is way more complex than I thought. One thing I can assure you I will find a way soon as this preacher gives me all the details. Thanks for the info and I may be back in touch.


34 posted on 05/14/2014 11:10:49 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
According to the FCC database, there are 23 ham radio operators having the right class of license to do what you want located in Hazard, Kentucky:
  Call Sign/Lease ID Name FRN Radio Service Status Expiration Date
1 AB4JE KING, BOBBY R 0014736615 HV Active 01/29/2023
2 AF4LL Bonilla, William K 0004792206 HV Active 12/30/2018
3 K4JNR REESE, DAVID R 0013312764 HV Active 08/21/2017
4 K4LDE CORNETT, IVA F 0011341690 HA Active 10/28/2014
5 K4VHF CORNETT, HARRISON 0010739845 HA Active 07/13/2014
6 KA4AOU OSBORNE, JIM 0015749211 HA Active 11/21/2016
7 KB4EKJ JONES, CHARLEY L 0011166808 HA Active 07/14/2014
8 KE4AER BURTON, ROBERT 0008951139 HA Active 07/06/2023
9 KE4OZS PIERCE, DAVID P 0006299671 HA Active 07/15/2014
10 KE4WWY GOEBEL, JOSEPH A 0002669125 HA Active 03/16/2015
11 KF4NII GAMBILL, MICHELLE L 0015158843 HA Active 03/20/2017
12 KI4NPD WILLIAMS, JAMES D 0014669402 HA Active 02/14/2016
13 KK4CZO OLIVER, GARY W 0020995957 HA Active 07/01/2021
14 KK4IFF HATTON, JAMES W 0021648134 HA Active 03/30/2022
15 KU4YY CALHOUN, TIMOTHY E 0003924057 HA Active 12/13/2014
16 KY4DJW Williams, Darian J 0018324822 HV Active 03/09/2020
17 N8TTR CHOWNING, MICHAEL 0002796225 HA Active 08/03/2023
18 W4WKA Adkins, Walter K 0015486707 HV Active 08/15/2018
19 WA4JDJ PRATT, ROBERT L 0014552616 HA Active 01/31/2016
20 WA4ZFL CORNETT, ROGER W 0010618494 HA Active 06/21/2014
21 WB4EOR MOORE, CHESTER 0009849787 HA Active 02/08/2014
22 WD8ING THOMPSON, ROBERT A 0003063062 HA Active 02/04/2022

 

You would probably have the best luck from somebody on that list.

Having said that, you would be best served in the long term by getting one or two of your parishioners to get a General or Extra Class license and setting up a small station at your church.

35 posted on 05/15/2014 1:19:04 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: miele man

I am curious... I DO have an FCC license (was radio DJ ages ago), but no idea if that would authorize me to use HAM (I am pretty sure it would be a different license, being that I have no experience/training on HAM)..


36 posted on 05/15/2014 3:30:57 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I don’t know what I could do for you.
They could contact WBCQ for airtime.

http://www.wbcq.com/


37 posted on 05/15/2014 6:36:11 AM PDT by mylife
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
Need a ham operator for one hour per month able to reach Africa.

First things first: I'd bet there are a fair number of Ham's here on FR (self included) capable of reaching Africa.

The issue is more of radio wave propagation than "capability" to reach Africa.

If the propagation isn't there, no amount of power or antenna height in the world is going to get you there.

Now what are you trying to reach Africa for?

38 posted on 05/15/2014 6:39:45 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
One thing I can assure you I will find a way soon as this preacher gives me all the details. Thanks for the info and I may be back in touch.

If that preacher is looking to get on-air to do an hour long broadcast to Africa -- that is not the purpose of Amateur Radio.

39 posted on 05/15/2014 6:41:37 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Jet Jaguar

I think Allan will lease radio time for $60 and they do reach Africa and beyond.

You just phone in or send a recorded message.

http://www.wbcq.com/?page_id=2


40 posted on 05/15/2014 6:46:08 AM PDT by mylife
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To: Bikkuri

I would presume you have, or had, a third class FCC license. If so, then it would not then, or now, authorize you to operate an amateur radio transmitter. To do so you have to take and pass an FCC written licensing exam of which there are three; technician, general and extra classes. Technician is the entry class and each successive class permits or allows operation on a greater range of frequencies.

If you are interested in becoming a HAM (I hope you are for it is a great hobby) you might call your local emergency management official to ask if there is a local club and point of contact. If you know a local HAM, then ask them. Absent this, go to www.arrl.org and try to navigate their web page for information about local clubs. If you send me your location off list and via Freep mail, perhaps I can point you in the right direction.


41 posted on 05/15/2014 7:43:28 AM PDT by miele man
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To: miele man

No, never had to take tests..so am sure I am not qualified to transmit n HAM.. And, have been interested in HAM for many years, just that I am stuck in Japan (so no idea where to go or what to do to take the test).. .. :/


42 posted on 05/15/2014 9:45:38 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: usconservative

So I have learned. Not sure what he is up to but we are to meet and discuss it. Thanks for the info.


43 posted on 05/15/2014 9:45:48 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Bikkuri

HAM radio is VERY popular in Japan. I was thinking you were in the states and it would not be to difficult to find a local club, but...not so easy in Japan. Again, I would suggest contacting the American Radio Relay League at www.arrl.org.

Where in Japan are you, i.e., city?


44 posted on 05/15/2014 10:00:49 AM PDT by miele man
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To: miele man

Thank you for the info, I will check-up on it :)

I am in Chiba City (Chiba, Chiba), close to Tokyo Prefecture (Chiba Pref. is also where “Tokyo” Intl. Airport and “Tokyo” Disneyland are :p) ...

Curious if you ever knew “Cowboy Bob” from Texas (on HAM)... he was a neighbor of mine while I was growing up. Sadly, he passed away recently :(. (He was also Navy intel/encryption during WWII).


45 posted on 05/15/2014 10:14:47 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri

Thanks for your quick reply.

I just sent an email to a HAM in Yokohama asking for the pertinent information you need plus I’ve asked for help on a HAM chatboard here in the US. I’m sure I’ll have some answers for you soon. I asked the gentleman in Yokohama for permission to give you his personal information so will pass along as soon as I hear back from him. I do not know him but, oddly, he had requested I “friend” him on the HAM chat board. Not sure how he picked me but that is OK.

No, I did not know a “Cowboy Bob”. I hear a HAM in Dennison, Tx. most nights who probably did know him.


46 posted on 05/15/2014 10:30:48 AM PDT by miele man
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
For the record bump:

http://texomatradersnet.com/main/page_photos.html
47 posted on 05/15/2014 12:55:33 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: miele man
I do not know him but, oddly, he had requested I “friend” him on the HAM chat board.


I actually don't think it's odd at all.. there are very few that have ever even heard of HAM anymore :p


I DO remember a friend of my father's that demonstrated using short burst binary from Texas to Australia (about the time we had 300Bd modems first come out.. He wasn't using the modem though ;^))
48 posted on 05/15/2014 1:02:53 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: miele man

Oh.. forgot to mention, it was Short-Wave..


49 posted on 05/15/2014 1:03:47 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Apologies for hijacking your thread :/


50 posted on 05/15/2014 1:05:23 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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