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‘Makes Christianity Look Silly’: Creationist Ken Ham Unleashes on Pat Robertson
The Blaze ^ | May 15, 2014 | Billy Hallowell

Posted on 05/16/2014 12:34:41 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Young earth creationist Ken Ham lashed out at televangelist Pat Robertson over his claim earlier this week that someone has to be “deaf, dumb and blind” to believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, accusing Robertson of compromising “the Word of God.”

“Pat Robertson illustrates one of the biggest problems we have today in the church — people like Robertson compromise the Word of God with the pagan ideas of fallible men!,” Ham wrote on his Facebook page. “Pat Robertson is not upholding the Word of God with his ridiculous statements — he is undermining the authority of the Word. And any attack on the WORD is an attack on the person of Jesus Christ, who IS THE WORD!”

Ham, who runs Answers in Genesis, a Christian ministry that takes the Bible’s Genesis account of creation literally, broke down the comments Robertson made on CBN’s “The 700 Club” earlier this week in a point-by-point analysis.

In addition to accusing Roberson of expressing “his utter ignorance of science,” Ham wrote that the televangelist “makes Christianity look silly.”

But Ham took particular exception to Robertson’s claim that there is no way that the Earth could have possibly come to fruition in such a short time span.

“Really Pat Robertson? You mean there is no way God, the infinite Creator, could not have created the universe in six days just six thousand years ago?,” Ham rhetorically asked. “God could have created everything in six seconds if He wanted [to]! And it’s not a matter of what you think anyway — it’s a matter of what God has clearly told us in His infallible WORD!”

As TheBlaze previously reported, Robertson unleashed his critiques on young earth creationists Tuesday, saying that they are mistaken in their views about the age of the planet.

“The truth is, you have to be deaf, dumb and blind to think that this Earth that we live in only has 6,000 years of existence, it just doesn’t, I’m sorry,” Robertson said.

He added, “I think what we’re looking at is that there was a point of time after the Earth was created, after these things were done, after the universe was formed, after the asteroid hit the Earth and wiped out the dinosaurs — after that, there was a point of time that there was a particular human being that God touched — and that was the human that started the race that we are now part of.”

Watch Robertson’s comments below:

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: creation; creationism; kenham; patrobertson
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1 posted on 05/16/2014 12:34:41 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t Ken Ham the business partner of atheist charlatan Bill Nye?

They grift with their Mutt and Jeff routine, dog and pony show.


2 posted on 05/16/2014 12:46:38 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

I never even heard of him until now, so I haven’t a clue.


3 posted on 05/16/2014 12:47:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pot, meet Kettle...


4 posted on 05/16/2014 12:58:54 AM PDT by Captainpaintball (Immigration without assimilation is the death of a nation)
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To: Captainpaintball

Tempest in a teapot.


5 posted on 05/16/2014 1:11:47 AM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Can't see how Robertson is wrong in this debate.
Petrified fossils are millions of years old, not 6,000 and to assert the contrary accuses the Creator of lying through the fossil record.

Couldn't possibly be that Ham misunderstands the Bible, of course.

6 posted on 05/16/2014 2:48:12 AM PDT by stormhill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Amen Ken Ham!

Ken is one of the brightest Christian led men of our time!


7 posted on 05/16/2014 3:07:58 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

God could also create dragons, fairies, trolls, magic, etc... But I don’t believe He did that, either.


8 posted on 05/16/2014 3:26:08 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like most creationism evangelists, Ken Ham preys on the gullible for the money. Between his website (and on-line store) and his “museum”, I’m sure that he is living quite comfortably.

I have to agree with Pat Robertson here: young earth creationism makes Christians look really bad. God actually did *not* lie to us by filling the physical universe with evidence of great age and planting evidence that life not only evolved in the past but continues to evolve. Since God is not a liar, it is clear: the Bible is a moral code, not a scientific document.


9 posted on 05/16/2014 3:29:34 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: stormhill

The falsehood is that it requires “billions and billions” of years to form fossils, sediment beds, and such like. Exploration of the area surrounding Mt. St. Helens just a few years after the eruption found conditions which had the appearance of great age.

I have great respect for the personage Pat Robertson USED TO BE. But he has come off with some dingbat statements in recent years which indicate to me that it’s time for ol’ Pat to retire to his farm and whisper to his horses.


10 posted on 05/16/2014 3:35:56 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and in politic)
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To: Tucker39
Are you referring to the "study" thoroughly debunked here?

Purveyors of creationism are as dishonest about Christianity as they are about science. I have yet to see any of their claims supported by scientific *or* Biblical evidence. They get rich by hoodwinking people.

11 posted on 05/16/2014 4:07:15 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: stormhill

Petrified fossils are millions of years old, not 6,000 and to assert the contrary accuses the Creator of lying through the fossil record

God being the deliberate Author of Time and all things we lack the Wisdom and Authority to accuse the Him of anything. Accept his Authority and Power or reject it.

God Almighty is the single Being who can truly say: “Are you going to believe Me or your lying eyes”.


12 posted on 05/16/2014 4:08:30 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One can believe that the world is older than 6,000 years and still believe in the literal creation account in Genesis.

Mankind hasn't been on Earth longer than 6-10 thousand years.

13 posted on 05/16/2014 4:28:38 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
‘Makes Christianity Look Silly’: Creationist Ken Ham Unleashes on Pat Robertson

Pot, meet kettle.

14 posted on 05/16/2014 4:29:01 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: redhawk.44mag

Wonderful point... in essence almost everyone believes in something. For those who do not, should they live long enough and not become bitter, they too generally contemplate the boundaries of Death, and while they may have never really lived, conversion to a faith usually allows them Peace in passing.


15 posted on 05/16/2014 4:44:23 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: RaceBannon
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Pat "Koren War Combat Veteran" Robertson ...

LOL ...


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16 posted on 05/16/2014 5:14:10 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: stormhill

How many days weeks or months are in a God-year?
Does everyone think the Creator had a watch and a 365 day/12 month calendar year before the universe(s) exploded and started to expand?

maybe one universe lifespan is one God-year.


17 posted on 05/16/2014 5:14:12 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Tucker39; exDemMom
For the record there, Tucker 39, "exDemMom" is an avowed atheist.

Read anything she posts at FR informed by that simple fact, and you will understand the perspective of the simple mind that holds forth as she does on any topic.

FReegards!

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18 posted on 05/16/2014 5:14:53 AM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: RaceBannon

Well....except for his belief that he continues to peddle the notion that “on the first day” etc. actually refers to a single day, when quite clearly the Bible later explains that to God a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day.


19 posted on 05/16/2014 5:15:02 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bfl


20 posted on 05/16/2014 5:25:36 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (GOP = The Whig Party)
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To: ifinnegan

Ken Ham and organizations like ICR are trying to return Christianity to its inspired roots. A careful study of all literature will show that a young earth is not only plausible, but probable. The followers of scientism and nature worship have been lying to us for over 150 years. Creation was a miracle. Try to explain that to Gaia worshipers. Darwin was a bitter God-hating fraud and Sagan now knows more about the cosmos than he ever did. The geologic “time scale” is a logical progression of sedimentation after the Noahic Flood.


21 posted on 05/16/2014 5:25:44 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment (Proud member of the 48% . . giver not a taker)
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To: redhawk.44mag

You probably don’t believe that Jesus Christ transformed water into wine, or fed thousands with few loaves and fishes, all of which require time to produce.

Yep, this world just kinda happened; just took billions of years/ sarc.


22 posted on 05/16/2014 5:27:48 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Tucker39
I have great respect for the personage Pat Robertson USED TO BE. But he has come off with some dingbat statements in recent years which indicate to me that it’s time for ol’ Pat to retire to his farm and whisper to his horses.

Well said.

23 posted on 05/16/2014 5:30:10 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: exDemMom

How old was Adam when God created him? (Why, less than a day old, of course.) How old did Adam APPEAR TO BE when God created him? If a doctor could go back in time to that day, how old would he conclude Adam was?

What about geologic formations such as the Grand Canyon? Was it unkind of God to create such a thing? Should He have made the Earth look “new” (i.e. completely flat and level) and denied us the beauty of the Grand Canyon?

And what about the light from distant stars? We see it and conclude that it originated billions of years ago. Was it deceptive of God to create their light already on its way to (and even arriving at) Earth? Should He have instead denied us the ability to see the stars?


24 posted on 05/16/2014 5:30:12 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: stormhill
Can't see how Robertson is wrong in this debate. Petrified fossils are millions of years old, not 6,000 and to assert the contrary accuses the Creator of lying through the fossil record.

If you believe the Bible, you must accept that all of creation was affected by Adam's sin. If that is the case, we can not take our science of today and look at a world before sin.

We have no way of knowing if the rules that work in a sinful world would also apply to a sinless world.

History is not a straight road, but has a corner we can not see around.

25 posted on 05/16/2014 5:35:56 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Christians should be more concerned about the end of time, rather than arguing about the beginning of time.

Jesus is coming soon! Heaven is real. Hell is real.
Those who believe in Jesus as Christ their Savior will have an eternity to hear God tell the truth about creation....

We should be more concerned about telliing our friends and neighbors about the Good News while there is still time.


26 posted on 05/16/2014 5:37:01 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

That is precisely the point and why I get irritated with the 6K earthers.

I am strong believer in Christ and the Bible and still believe the Earth is millions of our years old. Nowhere in the Bible does it say the earth is only 6000 years old. Only that man has been here partaking in God’s creation for 6000 years.

At the “end of the day” it doesn’t really matter, though. Are you a new creation in Christ or not? If not, you have bigger problems than how old the Earth is.


27 posted on 05/16/2014 5:38:06 AM PDT by okkev68
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To: silverleaf
How many days weeks or months are in a God-year? Does everyone think the Creator had a watch and a 365 day/12 month calendar year before the universe(s) exploded and started to expand?

Can't speak for others, but I think God wrote the Bible to us, not Himself. So when He says "six days", that's six days as WE understand it.

It's either that, or He wrote something to us that He knew would be misunderstood by us. (But that view doesn't agree with the God I read about in the Bible.)
28 posted on 05/16/2014 5:42:04 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: exDemMom; 2ndDivisionVet
I have to agree with Pat Robertson here: young earth creationism makes Christians look really bad. God actually did *not* lie to us by filling the physical universe with evidence of great age and planting evidence that life not only evolved in the past but continues to evolve. Since God is not a liar, it is clear: the Bible is a moral code, not a scientific document.

I agree with Robertson as to the earth being more than 6000 years old...and the bible actually allows for it!

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

In verse 2 the words "without form" and void" are a a couple of hebrew words tohu and bohu. The grammar leaves open that it could be translated "The earth became without form and void".

In other words, there was a earth that existed prior to this and something caused it become desolate.

There's similar wording in Jeremiah:

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light.

The same words tohu and bohu are used and this is describing the state of the world in a warning to Israel if they don't repent.

Also there are events described in the bible that must take place before man was created....such as the fall of Satan and the other third of the angels. Since Satan was in the garden before Adam and Eve sinned he must have fallen at some point before then.

29 posted on 05/16/2014 5:48:34 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Zuriel

I believe that under the proper circumstances, water will turn into wine.

I had a priest explain the loaves and fishes at mass once...he explained that back then, many people, especially nomads, travelers or those on pilgrimage, carried pretty much all they owned on their person, including food. He had said that the miracle, was that all those that had food, after hearing Jesus speak, shared what they had with those that had none. The priest was a full-bird Capt in the USN.


30 posted on 05/16/2014 6:12:13 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: exDemMom

So essentially, there is no proof that anyone’s sins have been forgiven?


31 posted on 05/16/2014 6:14:02 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: LearsFool

...or men wrote the bible


32 posted on 05/16/2014 6:15:35 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is this view official, Pat? Did you get a “word of knowledge” and everything?

Could it be ole lionspaw Pat is a deceiver being deceived in the 2nd Timothy 3:13 sense? Could Pat be one of those described in Romans 1:22? Could Pat have been fooled by the Enemy, an enemy who has been working to make men doubt God’s Word since the Garden?


33 posted on 05/16/2014 6:41:39 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pat is just upset there is someone out there more loony then him.


34 posted on 05/16/2014 7:04:39 AM PDT by gdani (Every day, your Govt surveils you more than the day before)
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To: TalBlack
God Almighty is the single Being who can truly say: “Are you going to believe Me or your lying eyes”.

I will believe God. I've had enough experiences to know not to trust my own perception.
The problem is that I don't believe, and nothing in the Bible tells me, that God created rocks in the shape of bones and trees just to mess with my head.

If you choose to think Genesis says He created the whole universe 6,000 years ago, you're free to do so. I know it doesn't say that.

35 posted on 05/16/2014 7:30:43 AM PDT by stormhill
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To: redhawk.44mag

**I believe that under the proper circumstances, water will turn into wine.**

That’s nice. Circumstances.....like a bunch of carbon atoms (and a few stragglers, like iron atoms) got thrown in the water, and then a bolt of lightning.........

Matthew 15:32. Then Jesus called his disciples, “I have compassion on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have NOTHING to eat; I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way.”

So, Jesus took the basket with a few loaves and fishes, that the disciples had, and in short order there was abundance.

If people can’t believe those miracles, how can they believe that Jesus Christ arose after being dead for three days?


36 posted on 05/16/2014 7:53:19 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: Zuriel

I was thinking more like some yeast floating around in the air, maybe some grapes in a jar that was open to the rain...just really bizarre stuff like that.

Lots of folk don’t believe in the resurrection.


37 posted on 05/16/2014 8:09:05 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are a lot of views on creation that are held by Christians.

Trying to get the world to buy off on one view over the other will not save one lost soul. Our energy is wasted trying to win this battle. Our call is to preach Jesus.


38 posted on 05/16/2014 8:24:27 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: redhawk.44mag

God doesn’t force you to acknowledge Him. But you will someday. Don’t let it be too late, my FRiend.


39 posted on 05/16/2014 8:26:39 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Gamecock

Exactly. It’s like arguing over the color for vestments or pew cushions. We’ll all find out what happened the minute we meet the Lord.


40 posted on 05/16/2014 8:28:01 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: LearsFool

I never said that I didn’t acknowledge God, did I? In which thread # did you read that?


41 posted on 05/16/2014 8:28:52 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: redhawk.44mag

When you suggest that men wrote the Bible, and that what He says are miracles really aren’t, you’re calling God a liar.


42 posted on 05/16/2014 8:39:28 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool

No I’m not.


43 posted on 05/16/2014 8:42:57 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Gamecock

On the contrary. If God’s word is untrue regarding the creation, it is untrustworthy on every other point.

Vestments and pew cushions are inventions of men, and have no bearing on the veracity of the Scriptures. Quibbling over them is pointless.

God’s word, on the other hand, is deserving of scrutiny - and will survive it unscathed. Not only that, but the exercise itself increases faith in Him. (Like a witness who endures cross-examination, and his testimony comes through as reliable and trustworthy.)

Consider “doubting” Thomas: He demanded to be able to examine Jesus’ wounds. And when HE was convinced, that gives even greater weight to the eye-witness testimony preserved for us.


44 posted on 05/16/2014 8:53:19 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: 2nd Amendment

Why is Ken Ham propping up his business partner Bill Nye?


45 posted on 05/16/2014 9:10:46 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: okkev68

Nice post, but...

“Only that man has been here partaking in God’s creation for 6000 years.”

I don’t think it says that either.

If this were of importance it would be spelled out quite clearly and unequivocally.


46 posted on 05/16/2014 9:15:21 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How long was a day to God in his time frame? Maybe a billion years?

So why can’t Ken Ham believe the earth is 6 billion years old?


47 posted on 05/16/2014 9:16:45 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: LearsFool
1. In theory you get a person to agree on the 6,000 year old earth without getting them to Jesus.

2. Not believing in the literal creation story won't keep a believer out of the Kingdom.

3. A person can be brought to saving faith in Jesus without believing the creation story is 7 literal days. Seen it happen.

48 posted on 05/16/2014 10:01:13 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock

Is God’s account of creation of no use then?

(I know you believe otherwise. I just want you to consider why God put it in the Scriptures, and why it’s important for us to believe Him.)


49 posted on 05/16/2014 10:22:50 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: stormhill

I have long thought that God called it done when His Word was upon the earth in Mans mind. A falling tree etc...

But as the Author of Time the flow of it is subject to his Hand. It does what He tells it to do. Our view of it is foreshortened by our perspective.

The time in a digital sound file is a function of the clock used...44.1k, 88k, 1,000,000k...The sound recorded, however, isn’t any longer or shorter.

The only relevance any of this has is Faith.


50 posted on 05/16/2014 12:09:59 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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