Posted on 05/16/2014 5:29:38 PM PDT by ebb tide
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the good priests of the Franciscans of the Immaculate are forbidden to offer the Mass of All Time, the traditional Latin Mass.
This Pope shows mercy on the new clowns on the block but shows no mercy for the "serious", "sour-pussed", "pelagian", "rosary-counters".
Ping
“The Vatican Secretariat of State sent a letter on April 3rd from the Holy Father to Kiko Argüello, initiator of the Neocatechumenal Way, along with Carmen Hernandez, confirming the liturgical praxis of the Way with regards to the Eucharist and the Paschal Vigil.”
Go to Church every Sunday.
Went to Catholic School all my life.
Have no idea what language the above is written in.
They’re not “new clowns on the block.” The movement has been around since the 1970s, and while I don’t like their liturgical practices, they are very orthodox, produce huge numbers of vocations among both men and women, have large, thriving families, and are always the leaders in turning out for religious services, processions, etc.
They were founded in Spain but are active all over the world, particularly in Spanish speaking countries and areas, where they have been very good at stopping the “leakage” to other churches or to nothing at all that is very common among Hispanics in the US.
There’s room for many things. BXVI made them clean up some of the stranger parts of their liturgy, but otherwise he was favorable to them (and they loved him, as I saw at World Youth Day in Madrid a couple of years ago).
for once we are on the same page. I do not like the Neocatecumenal Way, but it is difficult to prove it is phony.
The worst thing about it out here is the west is that it is leading into different kinds of prayer in which the people do not have the guidance to steer clear of the darkside.
That’s my take on it.
I guess the liturgy at a Mass out here was not even close to the NO.
Don’t bother. When ebb tide and I agree on something you know the whole thing is wrong.
Except for being around since the 600s, you have also described the Islam religion. I consider both movements, each having rejected the traditional Church, to be a bunch of wackos.
Two broke clocks, right? God willing, may it happen more often.
Pax
I don’t see that happening out west. They are old people. I went to a couple of their meetings and tried to emphasize the other programs we had in our parish.
They only ended up with about four gullible Hispanic women.
Thank you
They apparently engage in disgusting liturgical abuses. I knew Cardinal O’Malley was enamored of this group, and therefore suspected there was something “off” about them, but had no idea they treat Holy Mass like a sit down dinner, complete with conversation and a huge loaf of bread.
“The fruits of this questionable history lesson are visible in the liturgies celebrated by the Neocatechumenal communities all over the world.
The masses are almost always celebrated, community by community, not in the churches, but in parish buildings. Centuries of sacred art and architecture are thus nullified. And these are substituted by new decor typical of the Way, dominated by a large, square dinner table at the center of the room. The images used are in the style of the founder, Kiko, who is a Byzantine-influenced painter. And so are the songs. The musical accompaniment is provided by the guitar, defined as the instrument “closest to the ancient Hebrew psalter.”
The celebration is formally open to all. In reality, at the moment of entrance there is an exchange of greetings, presentations, and applause, which acts as a barrier to those outside the community.
In the liturgy of the Word, each of the readings is preceded and followed by long “admonitions” from the catechists, which are then followed by “echoes” from many of those present. The priest’s homily is barely distinguishable from the rest of the comments.
The eucharistic liturgy is also pulled free from the norms in order to represent instead the presumed physical actions of the primitive apostolic community: with a huge loaf of bread mixed and baked according to Kiko’s precise instructions, with wine which passes from hand to hand in decanters, with a communion that takes place as fellow sitting diners eating and drinking around a dinner table... “
http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/21939?eng=y
Oh for Pete’s sake. They’re orthodox CHRISTIANS. As I said, their style isn’t to my taste, but then, probably neither is yours.
They brought huge groups of young people to World Youth Day, particularly from places where the Faith is almost dead, such as Boston. Cdl O’Malley is a big supporter of Neocatechumenate.
They were not all Hispanic, btw; I think the movement was probably initially encouraged in Hispanic parishes in Boston, but probably the majority of the kids were Irish (who otherwise, believe me, wouldn’t have anything to do with the Church in Boston) with a scattering of black kids.
And the FFI is NOT??
Funny, I don’t see much difference here between this and the Novus Ordo.
World Youth Day, featuring the bishops performing to the tune "Francis", choregraphed by "Fly" (who posed nude in homo magazines). Google it if you want to be horrified. Kids running from the beach to receive Communion from plastic cups. Irreverent, circus style atmosphere. To enourage kids to treat their Lord and Savior with such casual disregard is to spiritually corrupt them.
but probably the majority of the kids were Irish (who otherwise, believe me, wouldn’t have anything to do with the Church in Boston) with a scattering of black kids.
Apparently the multi-ethnic gatherings (including Irish and Black, but no martians) of young traditional Catholics in the Boston and New England area didn't get the memo about not having anything to do with the Church. If Cdl O'Malley gave them the same degree of support he provides the neocats, they would be equipped to exert more effective (as well as an undeniably more orthodox) outreach and influence than the Neocats. Large families and religious vocations are a natural consequence of traditional Catholic belief. Sadly, there are many bishops (and now a Pope) who prefer novelties such as neocat to the tried-and-true. Their biases against the traditions and practices which have led to so many conversions and have formed so many great saints are irrational and destructive.
The Neocats have apparently moved their liturgy out of the church and into their own personal dining room.
If you consider Cardinal O’Malley’s endorsement and attendance at World Yute Days as signs of orthodoxy, I'm sure the Mass that I assist at is not to “your taste”.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.