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Alliance of Baptists supports NC gay marriage lawsuit
ABP News ^ | 4/16/2014 | Robert Dilday

Posted on 05/17/2014 1:49:52 AM PDT by wonkowasright

The Alliance of Baptists has expressed support for a legal challenge launched by religious leaders in North Carolina to overturn the state’s ban on gay marriage.

At its annual meeting May 3 in Portland, Maine, the Alliance voted to “stand in solidarity” with a suit filed in a federal district court in Charlotte April 28 by the United Church of Christ. The UCC claims that North Carolina is unconstitutionally restricting religious freedom by barring clergy members from marrying gay couples.

In a resolution, the Alliance, which has affirmed same-sex marriage since 2004, said “we rise today to stand in solidarity with the United Church of Christ in its decision to file a lawsuit ….”

(Excerpt) Read more at abpnews.com ...


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: baptist; marriage; samesex
A historic first is that some protestant groups are now uniting together while suing for the religious freedom to conduct same sex marriages.
1 posted on 05/17/2014 1:49:52 AM PDT by wonkowasright
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To: wonkowasright

These people are not Baptists nor are they Christian.

They are falsely using those names while acting as servants of the devil. Fags and all those who support them have no right to call themselves Christians.


2 posted on 05/17/2014 2:13:08 AM PDT by sipow
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To: sipow
To sipow:

A big +1

3 posted on 05/17/2014 3:14:22 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: wonkowasright

Come again?


4 posted on 05/17/2014 3:40:20 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: wonkowasright

It’s an alliance alright but it ain’t baptist.


5 posted on 05/17/2014 3:53:48 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: wonkowasright
the lawsuit itself is frivolous and laughable.

from this article from National Review:

"This law, whether wise or unwise, is merely a regulation by the state of the process of solemnizing, concluding, and recording those marriages the state recognizes as marriages. It has no application whatever to any situation where a clergyman wants to preside over a ceremony that the state does not recognize as a marriage. To their hearts’ content, the clergy of the United Church of Christ may “marry” away, in twos and threes and fives, any persons of either sex just as freely as they wish, and the state of North Carolina has nothing to say about it. Their religious freedom to call these unions “marriages” for their own purposes is completely untrammeled. They just aren’t marriages under North Carolina law. And because they aren’t, neither statutory provision above has any application. Those laws are quite orthogonal, occupying a domain untouched by whatever it is these clergy want to do in their houses of worship."

-JM
6 posted on 05/17/2014 4:13:00 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: sipow

Winnowing......


7 posted on 05/17/2014 4:20:21 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: wonkowasright

Forbid, permit, require. That’s how the clergy should look at it. First, the law forbids it, then the law permits it, the next is that the law will require it. It’s already happening with making wedding cakes and wedding photos, just a matter of time until the clergy will not be able to deny the sacrament of matrimony or any other sacrament to anyone who demands it. Jail time if you do.


8 posted on 05/17/2014 4:39:31 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: sipow

> They are falsely using those names while acting as servants of the devil. Fags and all those who support them have no right to call themselves Christians.

Have you ever seen so many wolves in sheep’s clothing appear who call themselves names which imply they stand for good but are, in fact, evil? Prior to Obama we might have seen this type of thing occassionally but not near as often as we do today. It’s as if he opened the door to hell when he ascended the throne. In fact when I think about the chaos that reined own on Christians since he took office I wonder if we are llivng right smack at the end times and that the Soros / Obama pairing refers to this bible verse:

Revelation 13:4
“And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?”

You have to wonder if the dragon refers to evil in general not just Satan...


9 posted on 05/17/2014 4:59:45 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: wonkowasright

They’re not Christians.

And I can say that with certainty.


10 posted on 05/17/2014 5:08:10 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: wonkowasright

“The Alliance of Baptists began in 1987 as a prophetic voice in Baptist life. Today, we are a faith community comprised of male and female laity and clergy, people of diverse sexual orientations, gender identities, theological beliefs, and ministry practices.”

So its a sexual deviant group. Got it.

Every time you hear stories about “churches” starting to “change”...they are not real Churches and have been leftist homosexuals from the start just this group.


11 posted on 05/17/2014 5:14:02 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: wonkowasright

Baptist? Really? You would actively seek to destroy God’s Word? You call yourselves Christians? How? Why?


12 posted on 05/17/2014 5:25:17 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American - Not a Rama gets electeepublican or a Democrat.)
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To: JohnnyM

“I doubt there has ever been a whisper of a hint of a threat to prosecute, for a complete defense against such prosecution is available in the form of a competent reading of the law.”

I don’t know. The only time I’ve ever seen these law come up is when clergy/pastors point to them when they refuse to marry two people without the state being in on it, usually widowed couples who don’t want benefits disrupted. I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted for it, but then I have never heard a pastor who lives in a state with such a law acting like it is no big deal either.

How many states have these types of laws, and why do they have them?

Freegards


13 posted on 05/17/2014 5:55:12 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Mercat
Most Christian churches, the Catholic Church especially, THRIVE on persecution. The more the Church is persecuted the stronger it gets. That is how the Catholic Church grew so much in those early centuries.

There is NOTHING so eloquently speaking of the Church as martyrdom. St. David was roasted alive. Church legend has it that after a few minutes of this he asked to be "turned over to the other side."

Protestant churches have all those Catholic martyrs to thank for spreading the word of God with their sufferings and deaths. Many Protestant churches are named after these holy men and women.

14 posted on 05/17/2014 6:09:34 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: wonkowasright
Isn't it just great when modern day apostates and Scripture deniers get together to show their god's love? He is the same god that told Eve she would be like God if she ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil? How's that working out?

I personally don't have a phobia about homosexuals. Maybe disgust and nausea but definitely not a fear (phobia).

15 posted on 05/17/2014 6:12:22 AM PDT by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: cloudmountain

Gee, that makes me feel so much better. Where do I volunteer?


16 posted on 05/17/2014 6:16:25 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: sipow

Right! They define themselves as “progressive”. That says it all!


17 posted on 05/17/2014 7:37:19 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: wonkowasright

Astounding that Baptists would go against the Bible.

Wondering about the validity of the story.


18 posted on 05/17/2014 8:22:44 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I think Jimmy Carter left his Southern Baptist Church and identifies with the Alliance of Baptists or something similar to it.

Since “Baptist” churches are historically independent and local, you cannot look at it as an alignment of Baptist denominations UNLESS you specifically see something like “The American Baptist Church” in their list of member churches.

However, my experience with North Carolina Baptists says that these are radically different than the standard NC church that has “Baptist” on the sign out front. Baptists in NC tend to be bible believing, fundamental, and God fearing. Therefore, this group’s name “Alliance of Baptists” is deception beyond measure.

I speak this as a Methodist minister, but I don’t like it when anyone lies about any denomination: Catholic, Methodist, Baptist...you name it. I see such deception as an effort to brainwash.


19 posted on 05/17/2014 8:33:40 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Not sure I’d call it a lie, they are outside the majority opinion among baptists in NC to be sure though. The Baptist/Evangelical approach of local autonomy allows for a very wide amount of divergence. No one owns the definition baptist and thats the dilemma naturally.

The amount of divergence allowed even within the SBC lately is rather surprising : http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2973661/posts That link lists 22 SBC churches with women pastors in VA. Something I am watching with interest.


20 posted on 05/17/2014 11:35:14 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: xzins

Jimmy Carter is a hypocrite. He claims to be a Christian but sees nothing wrong in sodomite “marriage”.


21 posted on 05/17/2014 1:10:59 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: sipow

Even though I am far north the Southern baptists in this town are nothing like that.


22 posted on 05/17/2014 1:13:13 PM PDT by steve86
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To: NKP_Vet
Catholics still lead way on gay marriage

“From Bishop Stephan Ackermann:

The Christian concept of the human being emanates from the polarity of the sexes but we cannot simply say homosexuality is unnatural,” he explained. While the church must “hold fast” to the uniqueness of marriage between a man and a woman, it could not just ignore registered same-sex unions where the couples had promised to be faithful to and responsible for one another.

Regarding Archbishop Bergoglio and homo civil unions:

"He [Bergoglio] did, in fact, favor civil unions."

If you're going to criticize Carter, can you not criticize Catholics, who even more so, should know better?

P.S. As promised, I've been deleting your nasty PM's without opening them.

23 posted on 05/17/2014 2:38:16 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide; Admin Moderator

Harrassment from this poster. He is attempting to embarrass me for no reason. Please warn this person that he needs to act civil to other posters. Your help is greatly appreciated.


24 posted on 05/17/2014 3:43:26 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet; ebb tide
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

25 posted on 05/17/2014 7:57:26 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Mercat
Gee, that makes me feel so much better. Where do I volunteer?

Gee, I wasn't conscious of trying to make you FEEL better. Martyrdom has already bought what was needed. However it's SO nice of you to volunteer, (none of them did, so you'd be a FIRST "volunteer") but you're just a tad late, only 1500 years, give or take.

26 posted on 05/18/2014 6:07:43 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I was kidding. I understand your post but actually there are martyrs now.. the pregnant Christian woman in Africa comes to mind. She could keep her life and maybe her children if she converted or in their evil minds, reverted.


27 posted on 05/18/2014 6:13:03 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Mercat
I was kidding. I understand your post but actually there are martyrs now.. the pregnant Christian woman in Africa comes to mind. She could keep her life and maybe her children if she converted or in their evil minds, reverted.

Kidding? You FORGOT to wave the red flag! :o)

The threatening and murdering anti-Christians get NO sanction from Mecca, the King/royal family of Saudi Arabia or any of the mutawahs. They are thugs of the worst kind.

I hope there is a warmish place for them when they pass on. NOT nice for me to say. Sorry.

28 posted on 05/18/2014 6:20:23 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: icwhatudo
Every time you hear stories about “churches” starting to “change”...they are not real Churches

is that anything like what happened around 1600 when Martin came along???

29 posted on 05/18/2014 9:31:28 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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