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Greyfriars Are Coming Home After a 500-Year-Long Exile [Oxford, UK]
The Oxford Times ^ | 5/17/14

Posted on 05/17/2014 7:16:36 PM PDT by marshmallow

THEY fled the city almost 500 years ago during the English Reformation.

But this summer, after centuries away, the Greyfriars will finally return to Oxford.

The Conventual Catholic friars are to settle in All Saints Convent, Cowley, in the next two months, once it is vacated by the All Saints Sisters of the Poor, who are moving to a smaller building.

Greyfriar formator Friar Daniel Geary, 53, said: “It is going to be quite a wonderful and historic moment.

“There will be 12 of us in the house of formation, with many being involved in training and going to classes.

“But part of that process is also to become involved with the area. Cowley is a very rich and diverse place and we look forward to joining the community.”

Know as the Greyfriars for their grey robes, two members of the Franciscan Conventuals first arrived in Oxford in 1224, having been sent to England by St Francis of Assisi, a medieval saint famed for creating the Nativity scene.

The monks lived in Greyfriars Hall, in Iffley Road, and provided aid to city’s growing population, helping the poor and founding academic institutions.

But in 1538 their convent, along with others around the country, fell foul of King Henry VIII during the English Reformation.

That saw the King reject the authority of the Pope and make himself head of the Church, so he could grant himself a divorce from his first wife, Catherine of Aragon.

What followed was a purge of catholic monks loyal to the Vatican and the order was forced to flee the country.

(Excerpt) Read more at oxfordtimes.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 05/17/2014 7:16:36 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

While they were gone, the minarets moved in.


2 posted on 05/17/2014 7:18:09 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: MUDDOG
Yes, of course, this is why St Francis is famous.

St Francis of Assisi, a medieval saint famed for creating the Nativity scene.

Exactly which Oxford scholar wrote this brilliant little ditty?

3 posted on 05/17/2014 7:31:04 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: marshmallow

**What followed was a purge of catholic monks loyal to the Vatican and the order was forced to flee the country.**

So many Catholics died.


4 posted on 05/17/2014 7:35:32 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

They didn’t just fall over and die. They were murdered.


5 posted on 05/17/2014 7:37:29 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: marshmallow; dcwusmc; Jed Eckert; Recovering Ex-hippie; KingOfVagabonds; Berlin_Freeper; ...
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

6 posted on 05/17/2014 7:37:36 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Robwin
I don't know. You'll have to tell me.

I was thinking of Gibbon saying there would be minarets over Oxford but for Charles Martel's victory at Poitiers.

7 posted on 05/17/2014 7:42:48 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: marshmallow

Shakespeare exonerated. Whew! That was close.


8 posted on 05/17/2014 8:00:14 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Lurker

You put it correctly.


9 posted on 05/17/2014 8:33:06 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow; NYer; zot; Salvation

I guess I ought to get a passport and airline ticket. This is the first I heard about my ‘going home.’


10 posted on 05/17/2014 8:43:06 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Robwin

I think he’s also the patron saint of petting zoos.


11 posted on 05/17/2014 9:04:33 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: marshmallow

Makes me think of the wonderful old Disney film “ Greyfriars Bobby: The True Story of a Dog”

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Scotland 1865. An old shepherd and his little Skye terrier go to Edinburgh. But when the shepherd dies of pneumonia, the dog remains faithful to his master, refuses to be adopted by anyone, and takes to sleeping on his master’s grave in the Greyfriars kirkyard, despite a caretaker with a “no dogs” rule. And when Bobby is taken up for being unlicensed, it’s up to the children of Edinburgh and the Lord Provost to decide what’s to be done.
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If you enjoy movies about dogs this is a must see.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054944/


12 posted on 05/18/2014 12:45:35 AM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: Bobalu

http://www.binsearch.info/?b=multiply-disneys-greyfriars-bobby-the-true-story-of-a-dog-1961-e&g=alt.binaries.movies.divx&p=moovee%404u.tv+%28moovee%29&max=250


13 posted on 05/18/2014 12:53:04 AM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: marshmallow

I wonder why they wore gray habits instead of brown, as was typical for Franciscans in continental Europe and eventually America. Different costs of fabric?


14 posted on 05/18/2014 4:03:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you ever feel like getting another cat?)
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


15 posted on 05/18/2014 4:47:59 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: Tax-chick

St. Francis of Assisi dressed in a robe of rough or course gray wool. This is reputed to be that robe: https://pilgrimpace.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/2749263-robe_of_st_francis_assisi.jpg

Generally the Franciscan friars of the Order of Friars Minor (called the regular observance, abbreviated O.F.M.), the Order of Friars Minor Capuchin (called “Capuchins,” abbreviated O.F.M. Cap.), and the Order of Friars Minor Conventual (O.F.M. Conv.) wear brown today.

The “Greyfriars” name has fallen away - except in connection with England - because none of these three groups of Franciscans usually wear grey anymore. Generally the regular observance friars and the Capuchins wear brown and the Conventuals wear black (though occasionally the Conventuals wear gray).

Several of the new Franciscan groups, generally founded with a stricter observance of the older Franciscan rule wear gray (the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal and the Franciscans of the Immaculate).


16 posted on 05/18/2014 7:39:32 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for your ping # 10. Interesting.


17 posted on 05/18/2014 8:31:39 AM PDT by zot
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To: vladimir998

Thank you, very informative! The depictions of St. Francis in brown must simply reflect the American experience of Franciscans.


18 posted on 05/18/2014 8:39:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you ever feel like getting another cat?)
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To: Lurker

Well they were martyred.


19 posted on 05/18/2014 9:27:32 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: vladimir998

I have one book written by the founder of the Francisians of the Renewel, Father Benedict Grouchel, and it is called “The Cross at Ground Zero”.


20 posted on 05/18/2014 9:30:43 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: vladimir998

I saw the picture and it looked like St. Francis was a small guy.


21 posted on 05/18/2014 9:31:58 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Tax-chick

Last Sunday, I had watched and it was the first time in many months, because of my RCIA ministry which would have meetings on Sunday night, ETWN’s “Sunday Night Prime”and the two young Francisisians of the Renewel do wear gray habits. They interviewed a priest who is going to be be down the road a priest for the NYC Archdiocese and he is a retired NYC fire fighter. He did talked about his memories of 9/11.


22 posted on 05/18/2014 9:40:50 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Yes, I remember seeing Father Groeschel in his gray habit. I was just thinking of Mexico and the Southwest instead.


23 posted on 05/18/2014 9:42:04 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you ever feel like getting another cat?)
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To: Tax-chick

Same here. We are used to seeing the brown habits.


24 posted on 05/18/2014 10:10:32 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Tax-chick

Hey Tax-chick,

This website offered an interesting detail:

“Originally made of rough, unbleached, homespun wool, today it can be made of other types of material as well.”

If the wool was unbleached, it would probably look gray, right?

http://www.ofmqc.ca/eng/vocation/habit.htm

This website has some early portrayals of Franciscans - sometimes the robes look gray, sometimes brown: http://www.exurbe.com/?p=719

“The Friars of the Community, the Conventual Franciscans, from the standpoint of legislation by virtue of their Constitutions and Apostolic Statues, were still wearing a grey habit until 1932. The Conventual Franciscans were the Grey Friars.” http://www.conventualfranciscanfriars.org/GrayHabit.html


25 posted on 05/18/2014 10:28:25 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; Biggirl
If the wool was unbleached, it would probably look gray, right?

Yeah, kind of a dirty white. Even if the sheep were a "white" breed to start with, the wool isn't going to come clean without lots of hot water and good soap, neither of which were commonly available to the poor.

Whether it came out gray or brownish would depend on the soil of the area. In Oklahoma, which means "red earth," there are clothing companies that sell soil-dyed clothing, deep reddish-brown.

26 posted on 05/18/2014 11:27:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you ever feel like getting another cat?)
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