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Woman removed from job at Kansas City Catholic parish after publicizing her gay Ďmarriageí
Life Site News ^ | Kirsten Andersen

Posted on 05/18/2014 6:34:44 PM PDT by Morgana

Kansas City, MO, May 16, 2014 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The Coordinator of Social Ministries at the Jesuit-run St. Francis Xavier Catholic Parish in the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph has been removed from her duties after she revealed publicly in an interview with a local magazine that she had “married” her lesbian lover.

Colleen Simon – a lapsed Catholic and divorced mother of two adult children who now embraces the faith of her same-sex partner, Lutheran pastor Donna Simon – was asked to resign last week after 816 Magazine ran a profile of local community leaders which stated Colleen and Donna had been legally “married” in Iowa in 2012. That is a clear violation of Catholic moral teaching, which says marriage is a sacred union between one man and one woman.

Colleen refused to resign, telling diocesan officials that they would have to fire her if they wanted her to leave. She told the Kansas City Star it was not a principled stand – she merely wanted to ensure she would receive unemployment benefits upon her separation from the diocese.

The diocese opted to go ahead and fire her – a decision Colleen told the Kansas City Star she believes was made directly by Bishop Robert Finn. She said she was not surprised by the decision. “I knew this was a losing engagement,” she said. “I was just hoping for a longer engagement.”

Colleen claims the previous pastor at St. Francis Xavier knew she was in a same-sex “marriage” when he hired her last year (he has since been replaced). She said she spoke openly about her “spouse” and her “beloved,” but tried to avoid referring to Donna – who flies a rainbow flag outside her St. Mark Hope and Peace Lutheran Church – as her “wife.”

Still, the pair appear to have been very “out” in their local community. Multiple posts on Donna’s public Facebook page openly refer to Colleen as “my beautiful wife” – including a photo caption from the Easter Vigil in which she described her partner as “totes adorbs” – and on the day the diocese first contacted Colleen about the consequences of the article, Donna wrote on Facebook that she was “angry” and called the Catholic Church a “homophobic institution.” She also said, “It wasn't a secret that Colleen is married to me. She was honest with the parish and its leaders.”

Colleen herself hinted publicly at the nature of their relationship in print back in April, in an article for the Ecclesio blog entitled, “You Must Be A Pontiff.” In her bio for the blog, she described herself as living “with three dogs, three cats, and one Lutheran pastor, to whom she is legally married, at least in Iowa.”

St. Francis Xavier had been Colleen’s fourth job in the Catholic Church since leaving her former career as a pharmaceutical representative. Previously, she worked in the Virginia’s Diocese of Richmond as the associate director of the Office of Justice and Peace and the diocesan director for the Catholic Campaign for Human Development (CCHD). Prior to that, she worked for Commonwealth Catholic Charities as a regional coordinator for Justice and Peace. Both of those jobs were held under her previous married name, Colleen Barranger.

After her “marriage” to Donna Simon, however, she changed her name, relocated to Kansas City and took a job as a secretary at St. James Catholic Church before finally moving on to St. Francis Xavier.

LifeSiteNews contacted the Kansas City-St. Joseph diocese to request comment regarding Simon’s hiring and eventual termination. However, diocesan spokesman Jack Smith said the diocese was unable to comment on personnel matters.


TOPICS: Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: catholic; elca; homosexualagenda; lesbonaziagenda; lutheran

1 posted on 05/18/2014 6:34:44 PM PDT by Morgana
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2 posted on 05/18/2014 6:36:45 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Morgana
a decision Colleen told the Kansas City Star she believes was made directly by Bishop Robert Finn

We have a very good bishop. The government certified to it by trying to put him in jail.

3 posted on 05/18/2014 6:46:37 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Morgana

Romans Chapter 1 is missing from the Lutheran’s Bible.


4 posted on 05/18/2014 6:47:18 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Salvavida

A lot of things are missing from the Lutherans Bible. I think we have Luther to blame for that too.


5 posted on 05/18/2014 6:48:58 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

GOOD!


6 posted on 05/18/2014 7:05:40 PM PDT by Isabel2010
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To: Morgana

This is exactly what should happen


7 posted on 05/18/2014 7:08:33 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Isabel2010

Yes.


8 posted on 05/18/2014 7:09:26 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: Morgana
You don't know your history then. The Canon was closed well before Luther was a twinkle in his mother's eye. Luther simply proposed using the Bible as the source of faith and practice.

Of course, if you are into indulgences, worshiping dead people and relics, and following a "do as I say, not as I do" structure, then rock on.

9 posted on 05/18/2014 7:17:25 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Morgana
why would this woman take on some many titles at so many parishes if she thought the Catholic Church was this horrible homophobic entity?......probably the money was just too good....

anyway, the Church must do this, and its unpleasant but that's too bad....

Jesus would say "go..and sin no more"...

10 posted on 05/18/2014 7:41:18 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Salvavida

ELCA just needs to take the L out, because they haven’t been truly Lutheran for a long time.


11 posted on 05/18/2014 7:57:47 PM PDT by freemama
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To: Morgana
LifeSiteNews contacted the Kansas City-St. Joseph diocese to request comment regarding Simon’s hiring and eventual termination. However, diocesan spokesman Jack Smith said the diocese was unable to comment on personnel matters.

But, we can be sure that the dyke will be more than willing to divulge her "version" of this "personnel matter" to the press in an attempt to make the diocese look like "haters" and "employment law breakers." The diocese remains silent at its own peril.

12 posted on 05/18/2014 8:05:08 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Salvavida; Morgana; SmithL; Charles Henrickson; Gamecock
Romans Chapter 1 is missing from the Lutheran’s Bible.

What was missing from the Archdiocese of Milwaukee's Bible?

13 posted on 05/18/2014 9:12:49 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Salvavida

Do you even know what an indulgence is?


14 posted on 05/18/2014 10:29:59 PM PDT by RPTMS (I know you're a nincompoop, and I strongly suspect you of being a scalawag!)
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To: Morgana
So she picks and chooses which parts of the Bible counts?
Most likely hoping for a big payday.
15 posted on 05/18/2014 10:36:16 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Salvavida; xone

of course, this is probably some kind of fake lutheran (small “l”) group not the orthodox Lutherans.


16 posted on 05/18/2014 11:35:07 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Salvavida; Morgana
Salva -- the canon was closed and it did include the Deutero-Canonical books -- in fact Luther's first German Bible contained them as well. But that is BESIDES the point -- Let's not start fighting Catholic v/s Lutheran when the gaymafia threatens BOTH of us and ever other orthodox Christian. -- let's not let infighting cause us to forget that we have common points to stand shoulder to shoulder and fight against -- we're both anti-abortion, anti-legalisation of deviancy and to have the state be a-religious, not anti-religious.
17 posted on 05/18/2014 11:52:17 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Salvavida; Morgana
A reading of history shows how we Christians have been divided fools many times in the past -- Coptic Christians fighting Orthodoxy thinking the Moslems would take away the Imperial hand (and Orthodox Christians allowing those persecutions). Then Catholic Venetians cynically sacking Constantinople in the 13th century, weakening it

Then Calvinists fighting against Catholics and FOR the Caliph in the Siege of Vienna (1683), then Catholics and Anglicans fighting Orthodox and FOR the Caliph in Crimea in the 19th century

Let's not be fools again -- this lesbian "couple" are against what both orthodox Lutherans and Catholics believe in, so let's be united against them

18 posted on 05/18/2014 11:55:04 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Morgana

A lot of things are missing from the Lutherans Bible. I think we have Luther to blame for that too.

...sigh...I see this a lot on these religious threads...someone makes a comment regarding another denomination, and a thread that purports on issue becomes a mass of tangled potshots at differing beliefs...good job of opening up this thread to all the fervent Catholic bashers that exist on this forum...


19 posted on 05/19/2014 4:49:26 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: annalex

The bishop was convicted in connection with failure to follow through with what he promised and the dictates of the reporting requirement in the statute when “father” Ratigan was accused of crimes involving children. Due to previous settlements by the diocese, Bishop Finn clearly knew he was to report all such cases to the police or the child abuse hotline and he didn’t. Bad decision. Wrong decision.

In this case, firing this person who flouts the law of the church, good decision. I support him.


20 posted on 05/19/2014 5:01:12 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Cronos
but tried to avoid referring to Donna – who flies a rainbow flag outside her St. Mark Hope and Peace Lutheran Church

The rainbow flag might be a giveaway, elca, not a real surprise, but it was great to see this lutheran and Catholic 'get along' so well. Ecumenism to its furthest extent.

21 posted on 05/19/2014 5:05:00 AM PDT by xone
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To: Cronos

Only because of their historical value. But the early church never recognized them as inspired. And I was responding to the charge that LUTHER removed portions of Scripture: and that is worth defending. Words mean stuff.


22 posted on 05/19/2014 5:10:17 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: yldstrk

The bishop did report. However, being an adult with responsibilities beyond harassing the Catholic Church, he first took time to understand what exactly had happened himself, and having done so he reported it.

Either the mandated reporter law makes all of them criminally liable for every second they take to report, or it is selective persecution of the religious group the government does not like.


23 posted on 05/19/2014 5:15:37 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Salvavida; Cronos
I was responding to the charge that LUTHER removed portions of Scripture

Sure he did.

Luther eliminated the deuterocanonical books from the Catholic Old Testament, terming them "Apocrypha, that are books which are not considered equal to the Holy Scriptures, but are useful and good to read".[4] He also argued unsuccessfully for the relocation of the Book of Esther from the canon to the Apocrypha, because without the deuterocanonical additions to the Book of Esther, the text of Esther never mentions God. As a result, Protestants and Catholics continue to use different canons, which differ both in respect to the Old Testament and in the concept of the Antilegomena of the New Testament.

(Wikipedia)


24 posted on 05/19/2014 5:22:58 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
As I said, he didn't remove Scripture. The Apocrypha is the Apocrypha. That issue was settled in the early 4th Century (and some would argue even before that). Even Jerome knew that.

But Luther did attest to the value of the Apocrypha for historical purposes. I don't see where your argument it.

. As for Esther: that part of the canon was closed even before the time of Jesus. If someone had a beef with it, it came well after Jewish acceptance of being Scripture: there were no Christians yet, obviously.

25 posted on 05/19/2014 5:30:04 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Salvavida
Luther eliminated the deuterocanonical books from the Catholic Old Testament, terming them "Apocrypha"
Read much? If you don't like the Wikipedia article, fix it. See how far you will get.
26 posted on 05/19/2014 5:33:29 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

well, there is also no doubt in my mind that every prosecutor, including the one in this case, relishes having a big fish on the line so they can make political hay and garner attention. That played into it, but the bishop gave them so much to work with.


27 posted on 05/19/2014 5:36:33 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: IrishBrigade

“good job of opening up this thread to all the fervent Catholic bashers that exist on this forum...”

Oh please. They (the Catholic bashers) were just laying in wait like wolves to attack anyway. It’s what they do, it’s what they live for. I learned this as a protestant.

In fact I can honestly say to you that one of the reasons I left the protestant faith is because of the Bible and the fact books were missing and I felt Martin Luther had no right to remove them, or the ones he wanted to remove but was talked out of doing so.


28 posted on 05/19/2014 5:37:07 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: annalex
The government certified to it by trying to put him in jail.

For refusing to report a pedophile priest to the police.

29 posted on 05/19/2014 5:37:29 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: IrishBrigade

“good job of opening up this thread to all the fervent Catholic bashers that exist on this forum...”

Oh please. They (the Catholic bashers) were just laying in wait like wolves to attack anyway. It’s what they do, it’s what they live for. I learned this as a protestant.

In fact I can honestly say to you that one of the reasons I left the protestant faith is because of the Bible and the fact books were missing and I felt Martin Luther had no right to remove them, or the ones he wanted to remove but was talked out of doing so.


30 posted on 05/19/2014 5:39:03 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: MaxMax
So she picks and chooses which parts of the Bible counts?

Aren't the millions of people who divorce and remarry doing that as well?

31 posted on 05/19/2014 5:39:07 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: fwdude

The Diocwsw must remain silent on matters on employment or they would very likely be sued.


32 posted on 05/19/2014 5:40:41 AM PDT by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: DoodleDawg; MaxMax

“Aren’t the millions of people who divorce and remarry doing that as well? “

Thank you Henry the 8th for that too!! Boy he loved divorce!


33 posted on 05/19/2014 6:03:00 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: annalex

I don’t want to get into the whole Catholic-Lutheran argument, but I will say that anyone who uses Wikipedia as an authoritative source needs to rethink his research practices. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, and while it can be a good general resource as a starting point, you should always regard what it says very warily. If you want to use something to support an argument, you should really use a source that people can agree is reliable and not subject to the kind of bias and inaccuracy for which Wikipedia is well known. Otherwise, even if you are 100% correct in your argument, people will discount it just because of your source...


34 posted on 05/19/2014 6:55:06 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: annalex
Right back at you. Wikipedia is not a primary nor authoritative source. Term papers in college get docked if you cite it.

They were deemed apocrypha waaaaaaaaaayyyyy before Luther. The original 1611 KJV had the apocrypha books included; but everyone knew they were not Scripture.

35 posted on 05/19/2014 6:55:42 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Salvavida

That and several books...


36 posted on 05/19/2014 7:28:46 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Morgana
Thank you Henry the 8th for that too!! Boy he loved divorce!

Only in one third of his marriages. He was equally a fan of beheading them.

37 posted on 05/19/2014 7:39:41 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Morgana
Emergency eyewash needed!

eyewash needed

38 posted on 05/19/2014 9:55:36 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Is it just me or only Smurfette has hair that blue?


39 posted on 05/19/2014 11:56:55 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: yldstrk

Nope. He reported. As soon as he knew what exactly happened. As any reasonable man would.


40 posted on 05/19/2014 5:44:05 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: DoodleDawg

He reported. The issue was the allegation that it was not in timely manner. “Timely” being defined by the prosecution. That way they can pack away anyone they don’t like.


41 posted on 05/19/2014 5:45:05 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: CA Conservative; Salvavida
"The Popular and Critical Bible Encyclopædia and Scriptural Dictionary, Fully Defining and Explaining All Religious Terms, Including Biographical, Geographical, Historical, Archæological and Doctrinal Themes, p.521, edited by Samuel Fallows et al, The Howard-Severance company, 1901,1910. - Google Books" is good enough for you? That is the Wikipedia reference for that passage.

Wikipedia is no longer a free-for-all it once was; the edits without proper sourcing are quickly removed and the user who abuses it get banned. Beside, if Salvavida is so sure of her opinion, she can go and edit and see for herself how long her unsubstantiated comment survives.

On the subject matter, all New Testaments prior to Luther contained the Deuterocanon, and of course contain it to this day in authentic Christian churches. There was an opinion shared by many that perhaps they should not be canonized as inspired, but the opposing view prevailed in the Church. Opinions are just that, opinions. The Councils of Carthage and Hippo (late 4th-early 5th Century) were the first to list the canonical New Testament books, the Deuterocanon is among them:

The catalogues of Hippo and Carthage are identical with the Catholic Canon of the present

(Canon of the New Testament)

Since that time, there was no controversy in the Church, and prior to that there was no settled canon in general. At issue in the African Councils was the Epistle to the Hebrews, not the Deuterocanon.

42 posted on 05/19/2014 6:02:28 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: xone

No Lutheran or Catholic in the “marriage” — their religion is “we are homerseksual”


43 posted on 05/19/2014 11:20:48 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Salvavida; Morgana

be that as it may be — we have lots of threads where Catholics, Lutherans, etc. bash each other on the head. This is not the thread for that.


44 posted on 05/19/2014 11:21:29 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama’s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: annalex
He reported. The issue was the allegation that it was not in timely manner. “Timely” being defined by the prosecution. That way they can pack away anyone they don’t like.

It was reported after the Archdiocese tried to sweep it under the rug by shuffling Ratigan off to another position. It was only 18 months later when they found Ratigan was still collecting child porn that they turned him in.

45 posted on 05/20/2014 3:40:04 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
Last December, crotch-shot pictures of young girls, fully clothed, were found on Fr. Ratigan’s computer; there was one photo of a naked girl. The very next day, the Diocese contacted a police officer and described the naked picture; a Diocesan attorney was shown it. Because the photo was not sexual in nature, it was determined that it did not constitute child pornography. This explains why the Independent Review Board was not contacted—there was no specific allegation of child abuse.

When Fr. Ratigan discovered that the Diocese had learned of his fetish, he attempted suicide. When he recovered, he was immediately sent for psychiatric evaluation. It is important to note that Bishop Finn, who never saw any of the photos, did this precisely because he was considering the possibility of removing Fr. Ratigan from ministry. After evaluation (the priest was diagnosed as suffering from depression, but was not judged to be a pedophile), Fr. Ratigan was placed in a spot away from children and subjected to various restrictions. After he violated them, the Diocese called the cops. That’s when more disturbing photos were found. At the same time, Bishop Finn contacted an attorney to do an independent investigation into this matter.

Fair-minded persons may question whether the Diocese was too lenient, but unless there is reason to believe that a crime has been committed, there is no cause for contacting the authorities. Yet the Diocese—unlike the officials of other organizations faced with the same situation—contacted a police officer and a lawyer immediately. [Note: in 2007, a huge investigation by the Associated Press of teacher sexual misconduct revealed that Missouri school districts were guilty of “backroom deals” that allowed molesting teachers to “quietly move on.” So where is the dust-up about this? Where are the calls for grand jury probes?] Why, then, the attempt to get Bishop Finn?

What’s driving the anti-Finn campaign is politics. The major players are the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) and attorneys Rebecca Randles and Jeffrey Anderson. Their goal is not justice. Nor is it child welfare. Their goal is to sabotage the Catholic Church.

TAKING AIM AT BISHOP FINN


46 posted on 05/20/2014 4:44:32 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Cronos

I did not “bash” anybody “over the head”. Ignorant and unsubstantiated statements about the well-known history of the Reformation were inserted into the thread, and I provided substantiation for the facts.


47 posted on 05/20/2014 4:49:11 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
First of all, Salvavida is a he, a retired Marine. Secondly, unlike you, I have a degree in Theology.

And you, can stow your condescending tone elsewhere. We are not going to convince each other. I merely responded that it is totally inaccurate to state that Luther removed any portion of Scripture. He did not. Athanasius' Easter letter in 367 recognized what the church was universally using. The Council of Carthage in 397 confirmed the list.

Third, your source from an Episcopal bishop is rejected. The only work that is used in most theological universities today, coming from the Episcopalians, come from John Stott. I know of no other. After all, we are talking about a denomination that replaced the Bible with the Book of Common Prayer from the double-minded Thomas Cranmar in 1549. I have some insight on this, as my uncle is a Bishop of a major US city: and he doesn't know anything about the Bible. It is indeed painful to watch him fumble though it. This is the same so-called church that debates sexuality without using the Bible. Hence, you get homosexual bishops. But if you want to use a reference and avoid primary sources, rock on. I can tell you this: You will get an "F" in college while doing so. Never ignore the primary sources. You wouldn't do it when investigating anything else. It's illogical.

I won't get into the internal and historical evidence, because it is obvious you have not spent one hour in Bible college (you can look up the reasons why the apocrypha was rejected); but a Catholic church ruling in 1584 on a 2nd canon, is folly in itself. Do you know what canon means? Once you look that up, try fitting that into a logical proposition. God changed His mind, and added a second standard? Which isn't another standard at all because: (1) no apostle or NT author quotes from it, (2) it adds zero to doctrine, (3) it was already rejected for centuries prior to 1549, (the Holy Spirit was asleep for centuries for that to be believed), (4) you can't squeeze it into OT canon because the Jews never accepted it, and Jesus didn't authenticate it (I'll let you look up the verse where Jesus authenticates the entire OT), and (4) it is of such poor quality when compared to other books/letters in terms of doctrine, edification, and overall usefulness. No self respecting theologian hangs out in Wikipedia. Rather, the argumentation whether or not to accept the apocrypha as Scripture, is well documented in such places as libraries. If you are too lazy to research, I don't feel that is my problem. I already know the Catholic arguments. They don't make sense to me, and I really don't spend much time with a church that chose to use the issue of salvation to hold over the heads of the poor, in order to raised money (here's looking at you Johann Tetzel); Listen to the voices of your dear dead relatives and friends, beseeching you and saying, 'Pity us, pity us. We are in dire torment from which you can redeem us for a pittance.' Do you not wish to?

Nor will I willingly follow a church that murdered legitimate followers of Christ just because they memorized Scripture, or otherwise, chose to follow the Christian religion that was purely based plain language in the Bible-- and not hidden in a veil of Latin, outside of the people's language: So that they could come into direct relationship with God, instead of being put under subjugation and told what to believe via rote religiosity.

If you want to take a stand on that position and state that all other churches are not the authentic church. Rock on. You have liberty. And then you meet Christ face to face, and answer to Him.

That's the end of this conversation. Good day, sir.

48 posted on 05/20/2014 5:07:52 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Salvavida
I won't get into the internal and historical evidence

Because you don't have any, and I gave you plenty.

What "reasons" the Protestants have to reject one part of the Holy Scripture or another does not concern me. The fact is, there was no Bible since 4 century on that did not include the Deuterocanon, except when the so-called "reformers" started printing their own.

You find my tone condescending, don't post anything that I can read and have a right to respond to.

49 posted on 05/20/2014 5:14:57 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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