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Defense Chief Says Missionaries Free to Convert the Jewish Army
The Jewish Independent ^ | May 19, 2014 | Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu

Posted on 05/18/2014 9:49:14 PM PDT by Tzvi INN.com

The IDF has ruled that the army has no reason to prevent a soldier preaching Christianity if he is meeting with soldiers in an informal and routine social activity.

(Excerpt) Read more at thejewishindependent.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: christianity; idf; israel; jews

1 posted on 05/18/2014 9:49:14 PM PDT by Tzvi INN.com
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To: Tzvi INN.com

You don’t actually participate in threads do you, you just blog pimp, and go.


2 posted on 05/18/2014 9:58:33 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Tzvi INN.com
Whoa!

The end is closer than I had thought!

Jews in Israel "coming to Christ in Jerusalem, Judah, Samaria and to the ends of the earth!"

3 posted on 05/18/2014 9:58:41 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Tzvi INN.com

Far better it would be to missionize the satan- worshipping enemies of Israel. Priorities. Get some priorities in working the great commission.


4 posted on 05/18/2014 10:20:01 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Tzvi INN.com

God is, and will always , take care of his Jewish people He’s promised to do so and His word is inviolate. Please go missionize the islamoNazi armies Instead. That’s where you’re most needed, there’s your calling.


5 posted on 05/18/2014 10:22:55 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: faithhopecharity

It’s just wonderful that Christian soldiers can speak freely in the Army now.


6 posted on 05/18/2014 10:28:16 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Yes. And the missionaries are much more comfortable in Israel. But they really need to be working on the enemy side Where, admittedly, they are not comfortable and where they can be killed for handing anyone a Bible. The need is so very very great there.......


7 posted on 05/18/2014 10:35:13 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: faithhopecharity

The article is about Israeli soldiers in the Army, allow the Christian Israelis freedom to live their life and express their faith in their lives as soldiers, fighting and dying for their nation, and presumably, freedom.


8 posted on 05/18/2014 10:39:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: faithhopecharity

A Jew without Christ is just as damned as a moslem. The harvest is plentiful but the laborers are few. Pray the Lord of the Harvest to send more workers. Workers are needed everywhere.


9 posted on 05/19/2014 12:21:36 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: Tzvi INN.com

Despicable anti-Christian bigotry. You are only hurting Israel by posting this hate speech on FR.


10 posted on 05/19/2014 12:49:54 AM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: zerosix

Agreed!

This is really great news.


11 posted on 05/19/2014 3:59:50 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Tzvi INN.com

Can’t tell whether you are pro or con...

but you must admit that IDF “kids” are not “kids” and should be able to listen and make up their own minds.

Since Rabbi Kaduri, things have gotten interesting.


12 posted on 05/19/2014 4:04:40 AM PDT by Mrs.Z
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To: Tzvi INN.com

Nice sentence.
Post the rest.


13 posted on 05/19/2014 4:55:59 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Tzvi INN.com
You seem to be the author of the piece, why don't you post the whole text?

Could it be you are trying to use FR as a feeder to your blog?

14 posted on 05/19/2014 5:01:13 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: ansel12
It’s just wonderful that Christian soldiers can speak freely in the Army now.

If only they could do so in the US.

15 posted on 05/19/2014 5:11:22 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Jemian

The Jewish people remain saved, those not for their own sakes then for the sake of their forefathers. God’s love and God’s promises are abiding, unbroken. He has spoken. It’s His ballgame. His rules. (And Insofar as any evangelization is concerned, we are taught that this is not the time. ...First, all the heathen nations must be brought in. This is why I hope the evangelists will focus on those pagans who are murdering even crucifying Christians today. Satan is very active in the world today and his little agents desperately need to be brought into communion with the one true God. At any event, Romans 9 through 11 is the one comprehensive biblical explanation and treatment of this subject; the Apostle Paul was deeply troubled obviously by the fact that some Gentiles misunderstood the Christian message and were already acting in hostile ways or committing the supercessionist error towards the very people they were being grafted into, joining... the RCC and many, though not all, Protestants follow Romans).


16 posted on 05/19/2014 7:16:28 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Tzvi INN.com

“Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense.”


17 posted on 05/19/2014 9:00:41 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Hillary may have brain damage, but what difference does it make?)
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To: faithhopecharity

I hope you support the subject of this article though, freedom for Christian Israelis in the Army.

You keep implying you oppose it.


18 posted on 05/19/2014 10:09:29 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

I imply no such thing!


19 posted on 05/19/2014 10:28:35 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: faithhopecharity

Sure you do, look at your posts, why did you ignore the actual topic and make post 7 to me, and then follow that with post 16, again implying opposition to the article’s subject, and now this one, still ignoring the subject of Christians being allowed religious freedom in the Army?


20 posted on 05/19/2014 10:32:40 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

The IDF would only limit Christian speech in the ranks if it were irresponsibly interfering with defense operations. Things are never perfect but Christians are welcome in Israel and any disagreements are worked out as best possible. Contrast this with how Christians are routinely excluded or murdered and churches bombed in a number of Islamic countries. Satan’s millions of little earthly agents desperately need to be connected instead with the one true God. This is the number one priority on planet earth today, IMHO it is a glaringly obvious and absolutely critical calling for the Church ( as well as anything the Israelis can do to help)


21 posted on 05/19/2014 10:36:39 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: ansel12

I am on your side on this topic! Said, repeated, and finished. I will not be baited into fighting an ally. Blessings,


22 posted on 05/19/2014 10:38:21 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: faithhopecharity

LOL, if they didn’t oppress Christians in the Army, then what is this article reporting has changed?

“”The IDF has ruled that the army has no reason to prevent a soldier preaching Christianity if he is meeting with soldiers in an informal and routine social activity.””

This is a NEW ruling, we should be celebrating, instead you seemed upset with it, until now when you suddenly claimed that it was already the policy, which obviously isn’t true.

This is a great breakthrough for Christian religious freedom in Israel, we should be happy as punch.


23 posted on 05/19/2014 10:42:24 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

I am happy. You misunderstand ( or the article does) the prior situation. No army allows speech that interfere with defense operations. We have to acknowledge that there are some zealous missionary types who may sometimes do this, just as we occasionally see zealous missionary types who interfere with normal civilian workplace functions. These people, bless them, do neither God nor any of us any honor. Fortunately, they are a small minority and most evangelists observe reasonable decorum and do their crusading at appropriate times and places (like, coffee break). The same basic standard will still be maintained in the IDF if only because it has to be thus. And yes, it’s great that the basic free speech principle is affirmed in Israel. May it be similarly reaffirmed — or restored— in the USA !!! Which right now is purging Christian chaplains in the military or trying yo force them to perform or accept anti-Biblical rites like homosexual “marriages” My comments are trying to focus on priorities and not dispute you. I will shut up now. Thanks for consideration Over and out


24 posted on 05/19/2014 10:55:17 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: faithhopecharity

I acknowledge Christian suppression, you still keep expressing support for it, as you keep attacking Christians and now America, you keep throwing cold water on this good news, and finding arguments in support of the past oppression.

Free the Christians to practice openly and speak openly.

“”The IDF has ruled that the army has no reason to prevent a soldier preaching Christianity if he is meeting with soldiers in an informal and routine social activity.

The Yad L’Achim anti-missionary complained to Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon about the incident last December when a soldier, son of a known Christian missionary, ate with soldiers at a “Beit HaChayal” hostel where they were staying and used the opportunity to keep up contact with them and preach Christianity.

Yad L’Achim reported that at least four soldiers were influenced by missionary activity within the army, and at least one soldier, from what is presumed to be a Jewish army, converted to Christianity.

Following complaints from the organization last year about missionary activity in the army, Ya’alon ordered the military not to allow missionary to engage soldiers without explicit permission.

Israel forbids public missionary activity, but in practice, missionaries are active on the streets in certain areas.””


25 posted on 05/19/2014 11:07:13 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

I keep expressing support for Christian suppression? Are you blind????????????????

PLEASE STOP POSTING MISCHARACTERIZATIONS OF WHAT I SAY!

I supportr Christian speech, especially as the article indicates “(when) meeting with soldiers in an informal and routine social activity.” ... that is, where it does not interfer with military operations or readiness.

How about we try to get a similar ruling here in USA, since Obama is trying to stifle or suppress all Christianity or Christian expression (both in the military and without).

OR, while applauding the Israeli Christian free speech rule described in the article, how about we try to get our USA government re-Transformed back to supporting the good guys in the world, including most Christian countries, and to STOP supporting and arming the worst Islamonazi thugs who are not only inclinded to suppress Christian speech, but actually murder Christians and bomb churches...

These are the kind of murderous thugs USA administration is now supporting...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/01/world/meast/syria-bodies-crucifixions/

Once again, I am speaking of priorities. I am NOT criticizing you or the Israeli free speech ruling for its Christian citizens in the IDF. All that is just wonderful IMHO.

and you can’t argue with Wonderful....

Blessings,
Over and out (I really DO have some work that needs doing here)
Thanks for the chat,


26 posted on 05/19/2014 11:29:37 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: faithhopecharity

I don’t even know why you got on this thread, the topic didn’t interest you.

You should start a vanity thread on what you seem interested in.


27 posted on 05/19/2014 11:36:54 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: faithhopecharity

1. A Remnant, that He has always saved in each generation, will still only come by faith, by the preaching and hearing of the Gospel. We support missionaries whose children were to either sign up for military service to stay in the country, or leave. All three of his children signed up. Now they can speak freely to lead the Remnant to faith.

2. Grab yourself a copy of Voice of the Martyrs. There is a map of which nations of the world are hostile to the Gospel.

3. There is a list of countries (not necessarily in the VOM mag) that are hostile to the Gospel asking for prayer for missionaries in those counties...by 1st initial and last name. The list is in the hundreds of thousands.


28 posted on 05/19/2014 12:28:27 PM PDT by uptoolate (Republicans sure do like their liberalism)
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To: faithhopecharity
The Jewish people remain saved, those not for their own sakes then for the sake of their forefathers.

I am just trying to understand what you are saying. Are you saying that some people will enter into heaven because of their genetic makeup and not because they put faith in Jesus Christ? Or are you saying that every Jewish person will come to faith in Christ Jesus? Are you saying that if a Jew denies that Jesus is the son of God that they have eternal life?

29 posted on 05/20/2014 4:26:12 AM PDT by lupie
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To: lupie

Hi there!
That line is taken from Romans 9 through 11, where the Apostle Paul gives the one complete NT teaching on the subject...


there’s more but:

Romans 11

King James Version (KJV)

11 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew


26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father’s sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.


Best regards,
fhc


30 posted on 05/20/2014 9:02:19 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: faithhopecharity

I am very familiar with the book of Romans. I am not here to debate, but to understand what your belief is. From your answer, I am assuming that you believe that some people will enter into heaven because of their genetic makeup and not because they put faith in Jesus Christ. Also that you believe every Jewish person will come to faith in Christ Jesus and that if a Jew denies that Jesus is the son of God that they have eternal life?

Is this correct? Is this what you believe.


31 posted on 05/21/2014 3:44:38 AM PDT by lupie
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To: faithhopecharity; lupie

Well...your silence to the question posted to you indicates that it what you believe - that for those with Jewish blood, that is their way of salvation, and not through the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

That is what I wanted to know and you have answered by not answering.


32 posted on 05/23/2014 9:14:50 AM PDT by lupie
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To: faithhopecharity

“To the Jew first...” The Gospel is for all people.


33 posted on 07/17/2014 7:45:40 AM PDT by tjd1454
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To: faithhopecharity
Get some priorities in working the great commission.

Your priorities apparently are not the same as those of the Apostle Paul:

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile."

Having lived in Israel, I certainly believe that the Gospel must be shared with great sensitivity and respect for the Jewish people. However, the view that any people do not need to hear the Gospel is unbiblical.

34 posted on 07/17/2014 8:04:39 AM PDT by tjd1454
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To: faithhopecharity
God is, and will always , take care of his Jewish people

Yes, He has done so wonderfully, and we need to pray for the "peace of Jerusalem." I also believer that Christians should support Israel, for many reasons. For one, unlike many countries, Israel protects religious minorities, including Christians.

However, you are confusing God's protection of the Jewish people (as He watches over His people everywhere) with the universality of the Gospel: "For there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

35 posted on 07/17/2014 8:10:29 AM PDT by tjd1454
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To: faithhopecharity
But they really need to be working on the enemy side...

Please refrain from self-righteously dictating where Christians should go or where they should not go. The answer to that question is: Everywhere!

And, BTW, pray tell to which countries you have gone, risking life and limb to share the Gospel? [FWIW I fall short as a Christian in many ways, but did live for years among Arab Muslims in the ME, engaged in ministry]

36 posted on 07/17/2014 8:24:04 AM PDT by tjd1454
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