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Pat Robertson: Creationists 'Deaf, Dumb, and Blind'
Institute for Creation Research ^ | May 16, 2014 | Brian Thomas

Posted on 05/19/2014 12:36:05 PM PDT by fishtank

Pat Robertson: Creationists 'Deaf, Dumb, and Blind'

by Brian Thomas, M.S. *

Television minister Pat Robertson said on the May 13 episode of CBN's 700 Club, "The truth is, you have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to think that this earth that we live in only has 6,000 years of existence."1 The eight staff doctorates at the Institute for Creation Research, and the many other biblical creation scientists who agree with their position, might like to know what they supposedly haven't heard, don't understand, and haven't seen.2

Robertson was responding to a letter that asked, "I've heard arguments from both sides of whether our Earth is 6,000 years old…Please explain further."1

But Pat's explanation sounded far more emotional than factual.

He said, "I think to deny the clear [geologic] record that's there before us makes us look silly." Of course the "us" refers to Christians in general, who, in Robertson's view, should accept millions of years as a scientific fact that geology has left in a "clear record."

Where in Earth's many rocks can we find this "record"? We may only have seen it in books that men wrote, not in rocks that carry no literal records. Do Earth layers really present as clear a "record" of millions of years as Robertson so assertively persuaded?

Robertson referred to an age of dinosaurs including a Jurassic Period, "radiocarbon dating," and oil as three icons representing millions of years. Good science refutes each.

...more at link...


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: creation; patrobertson; robertson; youngearth
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1 posted on 05/19/2014 12:36:05 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

How do you think he does it? (I don’t know.)


2 posted on 05/19/2014 12:46:43 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: fishtank

He probably found a Roman coin dated 44 B.C.


3 posted on 05/19/2014 12:47:50 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: fishtank

There comes a time when a man’s loved ones need to gently take his elbow and slowly lead him off the platform, for his own good.


4 posted on 05/19/2014 12:53:03 PM PDT by lurk
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To: fishtank

This is a non issue—nowhere in scripture does it say how old we’re supposed to think the earth is.


5 posted on 05/19/2014 12:56:45 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: fishtank

Pat preaches prosperity theology, too.


6 posted on 05/19/2014 12:58:20 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: lurk

I’ve been saying for years, Pat’s family needs to pull him aside and really force the issue of retirement.


7 posted on 05/19/2014 12:58:59 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: fishtank
There is a series of books titled "The Roadside Geology of [name your state]" and which explains and illustrates the geologic history of each of the United States. It explains the structural history of the state using readily accessible rock types and structures. I've read and learned quite a bit from the two volumes I've followed, stopping at highway cuts, etc. (Oregon and Arizona). It's a good way to get your hands on what you are being told. A good video from the "Story of the Earth" series deals with the deposition of gold deposits in California and Nevada. My Dad worked at the Empire Mine (Quartz vein deposit) near Grass Valley, CA and I worked for Carlin Gold (Newmont) in the submicroscopic gold deposits of the Carlin trend. The geology behind the two types of deposit are covered quite well. The concepts of plate tectonics and deep time are covered in this video.
8 posted on 05/19/2014 1:00:51 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: reasonisfaith

Agreed. Although I might agree with Mr. Robertson on the age of the earth, as a “teacher” he should be more considerate of other Christians who have arrived at a different conclusion.

My wife is a young-earth Creationist and I am an old-earth Creationist that finds no reason that God couldn’t use any process he darn well chooses to create. My wife and I agree to disagree because this is not an fundamental element of the faith.


9 posted on 05/19/2014 1:05:35 PM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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To: Genoa

But I bet he sure plays a mean pinball.


10 posted on 05/19/2014 1:05:47 PM PDT by liege (America 180)
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To: liege

His disciples lead him in and he just does the rest.


11 posted on 05/19/2014 1:06:43 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: reasonisfaith

Exactly. Humans cannot even begin to fathom the greatness of our maker, the one and only God. I do not know if the Earth is 6,000 years old, 6 million years old, or 6 trillion years old. The only thing I do know is that this complex world did spontaneously combust and voila man was created. Only the hands of my God could have created this magnificent universe we live in and there may be many more thousands of universes. And my God sent his son to this Earth two thousand years ago so that I could be forgiven and someday live in the Kingdom of Heaven and then see the greatness of my God. And no one can convince me otherwise.


12 posted on 05/19/2014 1:07:04 PM PDT by ImNotLying (The Right To Bear Arms: Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless!)
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To: fishtank

Pat is an old man. By the way, you do not have to believe in a young earth to be a person who rejects evolution and who affirms intelligent design.


13 posted on 05/19/2014 1:07:14 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: reasonisfaith

Was there death before sin?
Did sin enter the world through one man?

If you allegorize sin, do you allegorize salvation?


14 posted on 05/19/2014 1:08:29 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: liege

+1


15 posted on 05/19/2014 1:08:47 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: liege; Genoa

LOL


16 posted on 05/19/2014 1:11:12 PM PDT by Salamander (It's a cult and they worship blue oysters!)
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To: liege

awesome reference


17 posted on 05/19/2014 1:12:29 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

That was all Genoa’s timely lead in....


18 posted on 05/19/2014 1:13:32 PM PDT by liege (America 180)
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To: liege

Got crazy flipper fingers!


19 posted on 05/19/2014 1:14:26 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: reasonisfaith

Amen. ANd i think there might be a place, maybe even two, in the Bible where lessons are taught thru parable. Yet people think the 6,000 year figure (which as you noted doesn’t exist) HAS to be true.


20 posted on 05/19/2014 1:14:36 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Genoa

Ha!!! Missed that; great post!!!


21 posted on 05/19/2014 1:15:17 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: fishtank

I actually believe that evolution and creation are one in the same with evolution being how things were created with each theory supporting the other.

I fully believe time as we know and measure it today and biblical time are two different things.

For instance I think it’s ludicrous to believe that everything including the earth was created in six actual days. God may count one day as a million years.

Case in point to prove this theory Noah for instance is said in the bible to live to the ripe old age of 950. Can anyone honestly believe its possible for anyone to actually live 950 years? I think it’s pretty obvious that they were counting years differently.. Most believeably was that each month or lunar cycle was counted as a year which would have put Noahs age at 79.

There are acrheological facts left behind as well as undeniable holes in the biblical text.

Lets take the dinosaurs for example. The bible doesn’t mention them at all yet we’ve dug up there bones. Could not the dinsaurs purpose during creation be to spread seed and fertilize the earth? They left big ole piles of dung to do just that!

Man and woman was supposedly created in a garden. Then how did they spread to every continent without boats ? Could they not have started multiplying before the continental drift then when things started drifting apart thats how they ended up on each continent?

I’m a firm believer in the bible but I’m also reasonable and the bible doesn’t tell us all we want to know just what we need to know.


22 posted on 05/19/2014 1:23:03 PM PDT by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: fishtank

You don’t have to believe the earth is 6000 years old in order to be a Creationist.


23 posted on 05/19/2014 1:27:25 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: fishtank

BTW, I know Pat very personally as my mother was his personal assistant for 15 years.

Pats problem is that he is not politically correct but has to put up a front that he is to a certain extent and his old age causes things to slip out from time to time.


24 posted on 05/19/2014 1:27:35 PM PDT by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: fishtank

All these debates dance around the real question: is there more to reality than just matter?


25 posted on 05/19/2014 2:01:27 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: reasonisfaith

Adding up the generations from Adam, assuming there are none skipped, gives the 6000 year figure.


26 posted on 05/19/2014 2:03:46 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: fishtank
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Pat "Korean War Combat Veteran" Robertson ... as he proudly proclaimed while seeking that 1988 GOP Presidential Nomination.


I filed a Federal Lawsuit in 1988 against Pat Robertson's "corporation" (700 Club) for hiding it's financial activities and the truth about it's IRS 501-C3 tax-exempt status ...

considering Pat Robertson's slide into comical irrelevance (except for the MSM) ...

it was a good decision.



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27 posted on 05/19/2014 3:06:54 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: diverteach

I actually believe that evolution and creation are one in the same with evolution being how things were created with each theory supporting the other.


Mostly the same here, if there was any scripture giving the age of the earth I would probably believe it but believing the earth is 6000 years old is not believing the Bible it is just believing some ones interpretation of it.


28 posted on 05/19/2014 3:23:00 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: skeeter

You don’t have to believe the earth is 6000 years old in order to be a Creationist.


That is right, I believe God made the heavens and earth but we get our different opinions of its age from how we interpret the scriptures and I can not get six literal days from the scripture.


29 posted on 05/19/2014 3:29:35 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: reasonisfaith
This is a non issue—nowhere in scripture does it say how old we’re supposed to think the earth is.

It'll be an issue after the primaries when everyone with an (R) after their name will field questions from the media on how old they think the earth is.

The "crazy creationist" strategy is designed to turn off educated, suburban voters from Republican candidates. Why do you think we've been hearing so much about creationism lately? Democrats were hoping for an easy Senate win in Georgia over the issue but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

30 posted on 05/19/2014 3:30:36 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: ravenwolf

Psalm 90:4 - to God time has no meaning.


31 posted on 05/19/2014 4:00:56 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: fishtank

Regardless of how Robertson stated, he is right about young Earth theory.


32 posted on 05/19/2014 4:03:38 PM PDT by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: diverteach
. Can anyone honestly believe its possible for anyone to actually live 950 years? I think it’s pretty obvious that they were counting years differently..

Actually, if Adam and Eve would of obeyed God's single commandment to them, they would not of died. They were warned that they would die if they did not obey it. Sin made them genetically imperfect.

Every other wonderment of yours is also answered in the bible.

33 posted on 05/19/2014 4:13:58 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: CityCenter
Regardless of how Robertson stated, he is right about young Earth theory.

To deny that this Earth is old is to deny what God says about it. The choice is fake science or God's word.

34 posted on 05/19/2014 4:45:33 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: fishtank

I am most disappointed to learn this of Robertson. I would not have thought it.


35 posted on 05/19/2014 5:46:33 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: diverteach
Case in point to prove this theory Noah for instance is said in the bible to live to the ripe old age of 950. Can anyone honestly believe its possible for anyone to actually live 950 years? I think it’s pretty obvious that they were counting years differently.. Most believeably was that each month or lunar cycle was counted as a year which would have put Noahs age at 79.

950 was likely his age in years as we know years today or close. Genesis chapter 6 explains mans years were shortened to no more than 120 years. This was about the time of Noah or shortly after. Diseases obviously had no manifested nor genetic issue which shorten life.

36 posted on 05/19/2014 6:20:07 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Ingtar

I’m drawing from the work of John Lennox, “Seven Days That Divide the World.”

Most commonly, the 6000 year controversy is used by anti Christian zealots to attack the faithful. It’s rarely if ever discussed from a sincere perspective.

I recommend John Lennox to anyone who has an opinion on this topic and is at risk of abandoning meaningful thought in the name of mainstream trends and conformity in general.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y-AGFfKZFM


37 posted on 05/19/2014 8:17:34 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Drew68

There are people out there—for example John Lennox—who can really teach these Democrats (and the educated suburban voters) how to fire up their synapses once in a while.

(See link post 37)


38 posted on 05/19/2014 8:24:40 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: skeeter

Psalm 90:4 - to God time has no meaning.


Yes, and a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day.

Plus, these are the generations, six literal days to me do not add up to be generations no matter what word they want to come up with to convince me that it was six literal days.


39 posted on 05/19/2014 8:37:56 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Ingtar
"Adding up the generations from Adam, assuming there are none skipped, gives the 6000 year figure."

Aye, there's the rub.

40 posted on 05/19/2014 8:42:20 PM PDT by Flag_This (Liberalism: Kills countries dead.)
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To: fishtank

The explanation that has made the most sense to me is that you have to start from God’s nature and how He creates, which isn’t how nature “creates.” He is above and outside the “natural” laws of our universe, and even created the laws Himself, so He can follow and utilize them or not follow them depending on His purposes.

Given God’s nature and purposes, then, He would have created everything as it says in Genesis, in six literal days. When the sun was created doesn’t matter because in His mind He’d already created what a day would be, and He showed Himself to be above the sun, which He knew would be something man would worship besides Him. (cont’d)


41 posted on 05/20/2014 4:21:20 AM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: fishtank

The fact that God seems to violate laws of nature (even to ancient people, who would not have been able to explain how God created light first since all the sources for it that they knew of God didn’t create right away) shows His sovereignty. And when God created things and life, too, to create the whole universe He could simply bring anything from nothing at any point in what would seem to be its natural development. Since Adam and Eve were created as mature adults in one day, they would have seemed to be older on that day. The dinosaurs are another question. If they didn’t live with man, would God have created an earth with their fossils? As unlikely as that seems at first, he could have, if He had greater purpose for doing so. Atheists have objected that all this would make God a deceiver but it doesn’t. He’s given us the account of Creation, which by the human generations involved is only 6,000 years, and He expects us to believe His Word.


42 posted on 05/20/2014 4:36:43 AM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Pat Robertson is saved by grace through faith, no doubt, but he still has at least a couple of screws loose.

I certainly disagree with him on this and other issues ...

BUT ...

I remember channel surfing and watching his program in the 80s, and hearing him give a clear gospel presentation ... and then ....

I did not believe - at that time.

If I have died in the years after I heard him preaching, it would have been my own fault for not believing.

God is great and gracious, and He did bring me to faith in the mid-80s.


43 posted on 05/20/2014 9:20:18 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank; GeronL
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44 posted on 05/20/2014 12:12:12 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Pat Robertson has been senile for some time.


45 posted on 05/20/2014 1:29:27 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Flag_This
The method used in Genesis 5 isn't susceptible to the missing generations theory. You are starting with a birth, and then you get a number of years until another birth. Doesn't matter who, how many, or even if in the same family. I've charted Gen 5 to show the years from Adam to Noah.

 photo Genesis5Geneology_zpsde6ce825.png

Not sure if there is work done like this from the birth of Noah's sons to an independently verified recorded historical point in time.

46 posted on 05/21/2014 10:40:02 AM PDT by uptoolate (Republicans sure do like their liberalism)
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To: uptoolate; Flag_This

Actually chapter 11 takes us on Shem’s lineage,at the age of 100, using the same method as Gen 5 all the way up to Abram.

So we know how many years it was from the creation of Adam to Abram/Abraham.

1,556 from Adam to the birth of Shem, and 390 from the birth of Shem to Abram.

Adam to Abram = 1,946 years.


47 posted on 05/21/2014 11:10:12 AM PDT by uptoolate (Republicans sure do like their liberalism)
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