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26 women in affairs with priests plead to Pope Francis to end Catholic Church's celibacy vow
NY Daily News ^ | May 18, 2014 | David Harding

Posted on 05/19/2014 5:58:54 PM PDT by Gamecock

A group of 26 Italian women - all claiming to be in affairs with priests - have written to Pope Francis pleading with him to end the Catholic Church's celibacy vow.

The women said that there were many more like them who were "living in silence."

"We love these men, they love us, and in most cases, despite all efforts to renounce it, one cannot manage to give up such a solid and beautiful bond," they wrote in a joint letter.

They added that "very little is known about the devastating suffering of a woman who is deeply in love with a priest".

The women met through Facebook, reports the Telegraph.

Some 6,000 former priests in Italy have left the church so they can marry.

Pope Francis, who had a girlfriend as a young man in Argentina, has previously said he favored maintaining celibacy, but claimed it was more church tradition than dogma.


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1 posted on 05/19/2014 5:58:54 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Alex Murphy; metmom
Pope Francis, who had a girlfriend as a young man

Oh really?

IBPBAMOHRC

2 posted on 05/19/2014 6:00:30 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock

Wouldn’t this mean, at least for the priests involved, celibacy is already a thing of past? Just ax’n


3 posted on 05/19/2014 6:01:27 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Gamecock

I wonder if all the women are democrats, you know because it’s just sex!


4 posted on 05/19/2014 6:02:40 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: doc1019

It is a Roman Catholic tradition!


5 posted on 05/19/2014 6:02:53 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock

Celibacy or the ignoring there of? ;-)


6 posted on 05/19/2014 6:05:02 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Gamecock

ive always thought it was sort counter productive to Christianity for the most devout to not marry and procreate.


7 posted on 05/19/2014 6:07:36 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cclergy/documents/rc_con_cclergy_doc_01011993_bfoun_en.html


8 posted on 05/19/2014 6:10:51 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Gamecock

Trouble with celibacy in the church in Africa
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/trouble-celibacy-church-africa


9 posted on 05/19/2014 6:13:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Gamecock

TTIUWOP.


10 posted on 05/19/2014 6:14:51 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“ive always thought it was sort counter productive to Christianity for the most devout to not marry and procreate.”

Just because a man is a priest does not mean he is the most devout compared to all laymen. Also, Jesus and Paul were celibate. Was anyone more devout than they were?


11 posted on 05/19/2014 6:17:50 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

The first “Pope” was married.


12 posted on 05/19/2014 6:23:04 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: vladimir998

Please, let’s leave Paul out of this! He was a Pharisee, which meant he had to be married. In fact, some people have suggested that the “thorn in the flesh” was his wife, LOL!


13 posted on 05/19/2014 6:23:14 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“ive always thought it was sort counter productive to Christianity for the most devout to not marry and procreate.”

As a married man and a grandfather, my perspective is that a celibate person can raise the bar dramatically, in terms of how much he or she can give.

If a man like me wanted to enter the priesthood, he would have to abandon his responsibilities to his family—cut ties entirely—if he were to have any hope of being half as good a priest as Abp. Fulton Sheen.

Any given person only has 100%. That particular thing *is* a zero-sum game. No matter how you add it up, only the celibate can give 100% to their vocations.


14 posted on 05/19/2014 6:28:58 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

And yet Scripture teaches otherwise.


15 posted on 05/19/2014 6:30:43 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock

“And yet Scripture teaches otherwise.”

Oh, good grief. Spare me whatever dizzying contortions and distortions were necessary to that conclusion.


16 posted on 05/19/2014 6:32:42 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc
Spare me whatever dizzying contortions and distortions were necessary to that conclusion.

Actually it takes dizzying contortions and distortions to deny Scripture.

Titus 1:6 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— 6 if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers
Contort away.
17 posted on 05/19/2014 6:40:16 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Aren’t priests and nuns are already married - to God? isn’t that part of their contract? (for some reason I’m thinking of an Audry Hepburn movie but can’t for the life of me recall the name?)


18 posted on 05/19/2014 6:45:42 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: Gamecock

I asked you to spare me.

Unkindly, you refused.

Now I am left, agog, jaw hanging open, gob-smacked at the proposition that there exists an English-speaking person who thinks that passage says anything at all about the Catholic discipline of celibacy.

Oh, unkind.

I must now read from a book written by someone much more intelligent than I, in the hope of achieving a normal level of tranqulity once again.


19 posted on 05/19/2014 6:48:41 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: blueplum
This one?


20 posted on 05/19/2014 6:50:26 PM PDT by massmike ("You only live once, but it does help if you get to be young twice.")
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To: massmike

yes, thank you :)


21 posted on 05/19/2014 6:50:59 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: dsc

Sorry that God’s word causes you to react that way.


22 posted on 05/19/2014 6:51:43 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock; metmom
Pope Francis, who had a girlfriend as a young man

Probably when he was a nightclub bouncer!

23 posted on 05/19/2014 6:53:44 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: dsc

My pastor, who is the most amazing priest I have ever met, often tells the congregation that a priest is not just a job, but a vocation and a life that requires all of his time. He would not be able to tend to his parish and all of the needs of being pastor if he had a wife and family. He exudes love and devotion, and I am thankful to God that I met him.


24 posted on 05/19/2014 6:56:02 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: Gamecock
Thats a pretty weak basis. Sounds to me that he is saying, if the man is married, he must be faithful to his wife and raise his children properly. It doesn't exclude the unmarried, but acknowledges the fact that in those days it would be unusual to find an older man who is not married. And consider 1 Corinthians 7 1-9

"Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. 8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Clearly, celibacy is preferred for those who can bear it.

25 posted on 05/19/2014 6:56:08 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Alex Murphy
You seem to consider this a triumphantly shocking revelation, but the truth is, most people hold menial jobs when they are young. I hope that doesn't surprise you.

I'm no fan of pope Francis, but I am simply unmoved to find that he (gasp) once worked as a low-level security guard.

26 posted on 05/19/2014 6:59:58 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; Alex Murphy; metmom

**Sounds to me that he is saying**

Excuse me, but are you interpreting Scripture? Isn’t that against the rules of Rome?


27 posted on 05/19/2014 7:06:59 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock
Great movie! - The Crime of Father Amaro (El Crimen Del Padre Amaro) - Must see film!
28 posted on 05/19/2014 7:09:34 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Gamecock
Lacking a real response, that you zero in on that?

And anyway, I thought (judging by exchanges with Frotestants) that one of the many complaints by Protestants against the Church was that it interprets scripture, rather than taking it at ucontextualized, unexamined face value.

29 posted on 05/19/2014 7:12:30 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

And why, pray tell, is it a must see film?


30 posted on 05/19/2014 7:13:39 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: vladimir998
Also, Jesus and Paul were celibate. Was anyone more devout than they were?

And Peter, the guy you claim as your first pope, was married.

31 posted on 05/19/2014 7:16:49 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: dsc

And yet a single person has all the responsibilities to bear themselves. They have to do everything involved with running a household on their own.

With two people, they can share that burden.

In the end, I don’t see that a single person actually has more free time than a married person. They just have to manage their time better because they have to consider someone besides themselves in their plans.

It forces a more selfless existence.


32 posted on 05/19/2014 7:25:44 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Gamecock

“The first “Pope” was married.”

Did I say he wasn’t?


33 posted on 05/19/2014 7:26:02 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: metmom

“And Peter, the guy you claim as your first pope, was married.”

Did I ever say he wasn’t? How does Peter’s marriage mean Jesus was not celibate?


34 posted on 05/19/2014 7:28:27 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Gamecock
So, if the Catholic Church should take the advice of 26 women -- all of whom admit to sinning gravely by fornicating with priests -- and change her policies, all I need is to find 26 women in adulterous affairs with PCA pastors to make the case that the PCA should drop its outmoded insistence on monogamy, right?

Shouldn't be hard. And, remember, Luther couldn't find anything in Scripture prohibiting polygamy. It's practically a Protestant tradition!

35 posted on 05/19/2014 7:58:57 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Gamecock

Exactly. It’s clear from that passage that an elder was permitted to have a wife.


36 posted on 05/19/2014 8:01:08 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Gamecock

Seems to me these women are predatorial psychos who want the attention and reparations.


37 posted on 05/19/2014 8:26:29 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

yes..artifice of the church...stupid!


38 posted on 05/19/2014 8:28:53 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Zero in?

You threw it out there!


39 posted on 05/19/2014 8:30:12 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Campion

Scripture says elders can marry.
Scripture forbids adultery.

Let’s keep our categories straight here.


40 posted on 05/19/2014 8:31:45 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Campion

BTW, what does the PCA have to do with anything?


41 posted on 05/19/2014 8:32:31 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock

I am not supporting a wife in the collection.I know a priest who’s wife died and has eight children,all grown.I am not supporting a wife.


42 posted on 05/19/2014 8:35:30 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: metmom

metmom,In union with God all things are possible.


43 posted on 05/19/2014 8:40:59 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: vladimir998

You asked who was more pious than Paul. I would think the married Pope was.


44 posted on 05/19/2014 8:44:03 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock

More obfuscation.


45 posted on 05/19/2014 9:04:52 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Gamecock

You do know guys occasionally have normal romantic lives before they go into the priesthood or religious brotherhood? Or for that matter, girls before they go into the sisterhood? Right? The problem’s not with having a past before you take vows, it’s carrying on with it (or starting) afterwards.


46 posted on 05/19/2014 9:14:17 PM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Not hardly.

Roman Catholics ridicule Protestants for individual interpretations.

Scripture was posted

You start of your post admitting that your interpretation is… Ignoring the clear sense of Scripture.

I am pointing out the irony, which I am sure is not lost on everyone else.


47 posted on 05/19/2014 9:17:34 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

I’d also think Jesus’ words in Matthew 19:11 and 12 might be just a bit relevant here.


48 posted on 05/19/2014 9:19:44 PM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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To: Gamecock
"You start of your post admitting that your interpretation is… Ignoring the clear sense of Scripture."

LOL, where did you pull that absurdity from?

Anyway, 1 Corinthians 7.

49 posted on 05/19/2014 9:20:39 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Gamecock
Pope Francis, who had a girlfriend as a young man

Who am I to judge?

50 posted on 05/19/2014 9:46:09 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Hillary may have brain damage, but what difference does it make?)
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