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Pope Francis Bombshell! Holy Father Excommunicates Austrian "We Are Church" Heterodox Leader!
Southern Orders ^ | May 22, 2014

Posted on 05/22/2014 3:23:34 PM PDT by NYer

Die Welt
[Summary: Pope Francis has excommunicated the Austrian president of the Catholic reform movement called We Are Church. A report in Tiroler Tageszeitung has confirmed that Martha Heizer and her husband can no longer participate in the sacraments. Excommunication is the most severe penalty the church can impose. The retired religious educator and her husband in their private home regularly celebrated with other believers but without ordained priests.]

THE FOLLOWING TRANSLATION IS FROM GERMAN TO ENGLISH USING A TRANSLATION DEVISE, SO IT MIGHT NOT BE TOO GOOD FROM THE NEWS PAPER DIE WELT :

Pope Francis, the Austrian President of the Catholic reform movement "We are the Church" excommunicated. A report in the "Tiroler Tageszeitung" Catholic Church circles have confirmed. Accordingly, the well-known Kirchenreformerin Martha heater as well as her husband will no longer participate in the sacraments. Excommunication is the most severe punishment, the Church can impose.

The retired Religionspadagogin heater (67) and her husband had regularly in your home in Absam, Austria (Tyrol) celebrated measure, together with other believers, but without ordained priests. This is not allowed according to Catholic doctrine.

As the practice has been publicly three years ago, he headed the Bishop of Innsbruck, Manfred Scheuer, an investigation procedure, which has now ended with the excommunication. The procedure recognizes the couple heater not and has refused to accept the final Exkommunikationsurkunde.

No one is happy with the punishment

was the decision of the Vatican has long been expected, was last but abducted several times. The Innsbruck Bishop Scheuer should not be happy with the punishment, just as little as the Vienna Cardinal Christoph Schonborn, a personal friend of Martha heaters.

Also contradicts the public image of the excommunication dialogfreudigen, merciful Pope Francis. But in the end, the canon law seems to be the decisive factor. Laiengottesdienste touch a principle of the Catholic Church, the distinction between laity and clergy.

The "We are the Church" -Identity heater power for various demands for reform or abolition of the Verhutungsverbotes such as women's ordination. It does not apply as a radical. You became famous in 1995 as a co-initiator of the Kirchenvolks-Begehrens Austria, which called for a renewal of the Church and the Catholic reform movement of the Laity has shaped the world.


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Worship
KEYWORDS: austria; bishopofinnsbruck; bishopscheuer; catholic; excommunication; francis; manfredscheuer; mass; pope; popefrancis; vatican

1 posted on 05/22/2014 3:23:34 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Lousy translation but group’s reaction, ping!


2 posted on 05/22/2014 3:24:49 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Now, if he excommunicates Nancy Pelosi, I’ll be impressed.

I’m not Catholic, but isn’t it a bad thing to lead others into sin? (Abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity...?)


3 posted on 05/22/2014 3:41:22 PM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: NYer
They try to translate her surname Heizer as "heater" (I think it may be originally a surname from an occupation, Fireman). That reminds me of Mark Twain struggling with a German sentence that seemed to mean "The lion ate the unfortunate fir tree" but it turned out that "Tannenbaum" was a man's name.

According to the German text, "The married couple Heizer do not recognize the proceedings and have refused to accept the final excommunication-document."

It appears that Frau Heizer is a big supporter of the ordination of women and getting rid of the ban on contraception, but "they are not regarded as radicals" and they are "shocked" at the decision.

4 posted on 05/22/2014 3:55:10 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Marie

Absolutely it is a sin to lead others into sin. The person who drives the girl to the abortion clinic is just as guilty as the girl who is getting the abortion.

People who say that homosexuality is a live and let live issue commit a sin every time the say it for they may be influencing others to sin.


5 posted on 05/22/2014 4:33:59 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Verginius Rufus
They are radicals.

This has been on Our Lady's Warriors dissent list for a long time.

 

We are Church

Hatched from Call to Action, they are a petition group pushing for radical changes in church teaching through political pressure ("referendums," lobbying and the like).


6 posted on 05/22/2014 4:35:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Marie

“I’m not Catholic, but isn’t it a bad thing to lead others into sin? (Abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity”

Who you talking about?


7 posted on 05/22/2014 5:46:41 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NYer
"We are the Church"

No, you never were - but now you can be your own (false) church.

8 posted on 05/22/2014 6:01:38 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Nancy Pelosi. The person I mentioned in my post... :-\


9 posted on 05/22/2014 6:27:11 PM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: Marie

She needs to be excommunicated.


10 posted on 05/22/2014 7:03:39 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

She is excommunicated, but the Catholic church needs to make it public, since she denies it and steals communion anyway.


11 posted on 05/22/2014 7:40:09 PM PDT by dangus
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To: NKP_Vet

And then maybe burned at the stake.

I’m just saying. . .


12 posted on 05/22/2014 8:55:10 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: NYer

They’ll have to change their name to We Are Not Church.


13 posted on 05/22/2014 11:35:01 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Marie

It is a mortal sin for Nancy Pelosi to receive Communion.

It is also a mortal sin for anyone to give Nancy Pelosi Communion. It is also a mortal sin for any bishop—specifically, Cardinal Wuerl of Washington—to order his priests to give Communion to Nancy Pelosi or any other pro-abortion person.

But Cardinal Wuerl does not mind committing mortal sin. And the Pope doesn’t care.


14 posted on 05/22/2014 11:52:37 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: dangus

Pelosi isn’t excommunicated, but she is in the state of mortal sin. It is a sin for her to receive Communion, and it is a mortal sin to give her Communion.


15 posted on 05/22/2014 11:53:43 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Verginius Rufus

Mark Twain wrote that if he were in charge of the German language: I would the verb so far forward put that one it without a telescope could see.


16 posted on 05/22/2014 11:54:59 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: dangus
She is excommunicated, but the Catholic church needs to make it public, since she denies it and steals communion anyway.

How is it stealing, since Archbishop Wuerl has no problem with her receiving? Sibelius, on the other hand, is barred by her bishop under Canon 915.

17 posted on 05/23/2014 8:10:37 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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